1. #1261
    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    The book version of Lan is a hardass but it is more that he’s been shaped that way by the life he’s led. Nynaeve is able to break through the exterior. He’s awesome by the way.
    eh. I think prefer show version.

  2. #1262
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    and Lan STILL stays stoic until he sees his own pain reflected at him in Morraine's eyes. given WHY his best friend committed suicide... it would take a sociopath NOT to break at that point and Lan is NOT a sociopath
    He might be his best friend in this tepid excuse for an adaptation. But in the books Moiraine is his best friend.
    Before that the closest friends he had were his teachers, the five that survived getting him away from Malkieri and taught him everything, who it can be said were his family. Maybe he cried the first time when one died, and maybe the 2nd time. Eventually he's one man waging a war. He's already accepted death.

    Oh wait! We're not talking the books...we're talking this...failed characterization of a character in a book being portrayed in some show.
    Nevermind.

  3. #1263
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way.
    par for the course with a lot of these teen drama fantasy series that seem to be churned out. this show reminds me a lot of legend of the seeker, where 80% of the show is set in a vaguely european-north american forest with cosplay tier costumes and D&D homebrew dialogue.

  4. #1264
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherLeopold View Post
    par for the course with a lot of these teen drama fantasy series that seem to be churned out. this show reminds me a lot of legend of the seeker, where 80% of the show is set in a vaguely european-north american forest with cosplay tier costumes and D&D homebrew dialogue.
    you seem to have pretty strong feelings about it

  5. #1265
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherLeopold View Post
    This show is pretty bad with really stale performances, bad costumes, set designs and dialogue.

    it's also super slow paced, over halfway through and I don't care about any of these characters, the main guy barely gets screentime, too much of the show is being taken up by silent moments between two characters.
    The only thing you can do at this point is to stop watching the show. Lowering the viewership will get this tossed sooner than later and then maybe someone will come along and decide to get it done the right way.

  6. #1266
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The only thing you can do at this point is to stop watching the show. Lowering the viewership will get this tossed sooner than later and then maybe someone will come along and decide to get it done the right way.
    Don't forget to keep complaining about it online and trying to convince others of how bad a show you think it is.

  7. #1267
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Don't forget to keep complaining about it online and trying to convince others of how bad a show you think it is.
    Dragonmount already has their hands full.. I probably should join in...

  8. #1268
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Don't forget to keep complaining about it online and trying to convince others of how bad a show you think it is.
    are you saying that this thread titled the tv the wheel of time is not about the tv show, the wheel of time or what

    from what I can see, this thread has 64 pages of people discussing its source material, but very little about the production quality of the show. I haven't read the books, so I can only talk about my experiences with the show.

  9. #1269
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherLeopold View Post
    are you saying that this thread titled the tv the wheel of time is not about the tv show, the wheel of time or what

    from what I can see, this thread has 64 pages of people discussing its source material, but very little about the production quality of the show. I haven't read the books, so I can only talk about my experiences with the show.
    So complaining about something and trying to convince others it's bad is the same as discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Dragonmount already has their hands full.. I probably should join in...
    You aren't already?

  10. #1270
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    He might be his best friend in this tepid excuse for an adaptation. But in the books Moiraine is his best friend.
    Before that the closest friends he had were his teachers, the five that survived getting him away from Malkieri and taught him everything, who it can be said were his family. Maybe he cried the first time when one died, and maybe the 2nd time. Eventually he's one man waging a war. He's already accepted death.

    Oh wait! We're not talking the books...we're talking this...failed characterization of a character in a book being portrayed in some show.
    Nevermind.
    right. and its looking at MORRAINE is what makes him finaly break down. because as much as it hurt to lose his friend and brother at arms, it would hurt to lose Morraine that much more. reminder, again, his friend took his own life because he lost HIS best friend, HIS Aes Sedai.

    Stepin being his close friend, does NOT negate his relationship with Morraine, it underscores and emphasizes it.

    its not just death. its guilt. and pain amplified. but wait, I forget in this fucked up society, men are not allowed to show pain. EVER.

  11. #1271
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    right. and its looking at MORRAINE is what makes him finaly break down. because as much as it hurt to lose his friend and brother at arms, it would hurt to lose Morraine that much more. reminder, again, his friend took his own life because he lost HIS best friend, HIS Aes Sedai.
    I take it you haven't actually read the books right? They were both getting emotional because of the warder bond. What each feels the other feels. A Aei Sedai can dampen that a bit but warders have no such power. It is essentially a feedback loop of the emotions which is why warders try their best not to drink or get overly emotional. It can impact the sister they are bonded with.

    The show referenced this a little bit but it is unclear how much of the bond is like in the books and how much has been changed for the show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    its not just death. its guilt. and pain amplified. but wait, I forget in this fucked up society, men are not allowed to show pain. EVER.
    No one is saying men can't show emotions. They are saying that it doesn't fit the character from the books to show it in the way that they did.
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  12. #1272
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    So complaining about something and trying to convince others it's bad is the same as discussion?
    why are you so adverse to me not liking the production value of this show, that's exactly what this thread is for - good or bad.

  13. #1273
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    right. and its looking at MORRAINE is what makes him finaly break down. because as much as it hurt to lose his friend and brother at arms, it would hurt to lose Morraine that much more. reminder, again, his friend took his own life because he lost HIS best friend, HIS Aes Sedai.
    and in the books he does lose her. And how did he react then? It wasn't some over-emotional display, which would've insulted her as much as shamed him. He referred to her as a "warrior" as much as he was.

  14. #1274
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherLeopold View Post
    why are you so adverse to me not liking the production value of this show, that's exactly what this thread is for - good or bad.
    I'm not, I'm sorry if I communicated that but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    and in the books he does lose her. And how did he react then? It wasn't some over-emotional display, which would've insulted her as much as shamed him. He referred to her as a "warrior" as much as he was.
    wait, you genuinely believe the warder's response to losing their Aes Sedai isn't emotional? Lan is so torn by guilt and pain that he basically tries to get himself killed despite being compelled to make his way to Alanna and that's a warder whose bond got moved rather than just severed.

  15. #1275
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    No one is saying men can't show emotions. They are saying that it doesn't fit the character from the books to show it in the way that they did.
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    "To stand against the shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the Malkieri while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended."
    Lord of the Seven Towers, Lord of the Lakes, uncrowned King of Malkier, Dai'shan, Diademed Battle Lord of Malkier, Aan'allein. At age sixteen he was given the hadori and became a man. He began his one man war against the Shadow that he could not win, with the oath graven on his mind. He has nothing left to defend, only to avenge. He will not raise the golden crane to lead other men to their deaths, but will court death himself without a second thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Would it kill actors to sometimes dye their hair or wear coloured lenses to fit the book description?
    Some people can't wear contacts. Maybe this is just how the wheel spun things out this time around. So far WoT has been a good show and I will continue to watch it.

  17. #1277
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    wait, you genuinely believe the warder's response to losing their Aes Sedai isn't emotional? Lan is so torn by guilt and pain that he basically tries to get himself killed despite being compelled to make his way to Alanna and that's a warder whose bond got moved rather than just severed.
    I don't know what book you read but that's...not it.
    Moiraine has a contingency that moves her bond to Myrelle who has had success keeping warders alive after the bond severs. He was never afraid of death. And his only reaction were red eyes and a word of advice to Rand about not falling in love since he knows the he also is courting death.

  18. #1278
    Ah yes, the bastardization of the novels continues. Why is it so hard for people to follow an already made, massively successful story map to create a tv series/movie? This Lan is a sad shell of the true Lan, I don't watch fantasy to see some John Hancock, I see it to watch slightly to very unrealistic personifications of key human attributes/caricatures, and in this case Lan was a badass stoic warrior. Alas we have to have this in touch with his emotions mediocre warrior that requires rescuing. Think this is the last episode I watch.
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  19. #1279
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I don't know what book you read but that's...not it.
    Moiraine has a contingency that moves her bond to Myrelle who has had success keeping warders alive after the bond severs. He was never afraid of death. And his only reaction were red eyes and a word of advice to Rand about not falling in love since he knows the he also is courting death.
    Ah indeed, I mixed up Alanna and Myrelle. I think you may have skimmed over the chapters after he's found to be with Myrelle in Salidar, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    So far WoT has been a good show and I will continue to watch it.
    A brave man.

  20. #1280
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Try reading the books and realising RJ's casting list wasn't true to the physical descriptions.
    Yes it was rofl. Dark of hair and eye doesn't mean dark of skin. Again look at every book cover look at RJ's casting notes look at the comics especially new spring which RJ was hugely involved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    What's the difference between the two? And where can you get hold of the "old" one?

    Is the audio book any good?
    New one is read by Rosemund Pike instead of the duo who does every other audio book. Not sure if you can still get it or not. The audio books at least the ones I have are unabridged so if you consider the series good they are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    That's all intentional. Rafe wanted the series to start closer to the ensemble feeling of the POVs the book turns into, rather than having a very Rand-centric first book.
    and Rafe is a terrible writer so why should we care what he wants? Fans of the book want to see Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time not Rafe's fanfiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Dragonmount already has their hands full.. I probably should join in...
    They are already stealth editing posts lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Don't forget to keep complaining about it online and trying to convince others of how bad a show you think it is.
    Don't forget to attack those who dare to like the books because you're such a big fan that you don't even know who Lan's bond is passed to rofl

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