1. #1441
    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    they were definitely in a relationship at the end of New Spring. There are numerous little hints.
    Cool, thanks for the clarification. Also a reminder to re-read new spring, I tend to forget it when I go through all the books again.

  2. #1442
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Ignoring how? Two seperate relationships can exist in two different times, especially since Moiraine is thought dead.
    I don't know about you but most people if their love dies don't just move on in what is realistically a matter of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Cool, thanks for the clarification. Also a reminder to re-read new spring, I tend to forget it when I go through all the books again.
    There's a lovely moment, when they meet up at the end of the day after they've been raised to the shawl. Moiraine offers Siuan healing, Siuan says 'I could kiss you' and she did. The next scene they're at dinner. Lots of little things like that.

  4. #1444
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I don't know about you but most people if their love dies don't just move on in what is realistically a matter of months.
    Thank you for sharing your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    There's a lovely moment, when they meet up at the end of the day after they've been raised to the shawl. Moiraine offers Siuan healing, Siuan says 'I could kiss you' and she did. The next scene they're at dinner. Lots of little things like that.
    You'd think I'd remember more overt stuff like that, huh? This is why Moiraine should be shorter. Short ladies are so much more adorable doing shit like that.

  5. #1445
    Gems keep coming:
    1) Dragon will fight the Dark One and anyone standing "between" them will die. Said so by people who in this very episode debated Gitara's foretelling. Something that been kept vague on purpose it seems they intend to drag-on this "dragon" thing for season or 2! Some of the things they say is just bizarre and yet, new turning.
    2) What I loved the most were these words:
    Eye of the world is a place where trap was set to..."trap" DO? What is dark one according to show creators? Sauron? Voldemort?
    3) After Dragon clubbed him too hard, DO fell asleep and now our all knowing Amrylin knows he is "weak" and time is right to strike him down. But hey, DON"T SEND ARMIES!
    Only Dragon can do the clubbing. They know that. But apparently they don't know who, or what dragon is!

    Love the fact Moiraine keeps telling us that she will kill the Dragon if "it" joins the shadow. Yep, mighty moiraine, ready to destroy most powerful "male channeler". And yet, she herself can't club this weak DO. LOL. Threatening Rand is one thing, threatening Dragon is something only "this turning of wheel" can do!


    Rest in peace Rand. While books were told from perspective of Emond 5, mostly with 3 men dominating the story, now they are lucky to get 10 sec per hr episode. I bet viewers are going to be thrilled that a guy with 10 min total screen time is "savior" while Moraine is just a side charecter and not even the top one.
    Unless nothing like this would happen. I am trying to imagine what new "surprises" are in the store.

  6. #1446
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Thank you for sharing your opinion.

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    You'd think I'd remember more overt stuff like that, huh? This is why Moiraine should be shorter. Short ladies are so much more adorable doing shit like that.
    You must be one cold hearted individual if you could move on from a 20+ year relationship in a matter of months. That's not an opinion that's a simple fact.

  7. #1447
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    You must be one cold hearted individual if you could move on from a 20+ year relationship in a matter of months. That's not an opinion that's a simple fact.
    I mean, you contradicted your own point, apparently all you need is a cold heart for your statement to be infactual. You're doing a lot of assuming in order to point out an issue you have with the show, which is interesting, because given the source material you're more arguing with Jordan's writing than that of the show.

    But fwiw, that was my attempt to disengage from the conversation because I don't really think you're open to discussion, I think you're just wanting to disparage the show, which is fine, I'm just not interested in engaging with that.

  8. #1448
    They also did away with the Warder cloak - too much money?


    I can't wait to have an animated version of this that stays true to the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbond View Post
    Gems keep coming:
    1) Dragon will fight the Dark One and anyone standing "between" them will die. Said so by people who in this very episode debated Gitara's foretelling. Something that been kept vague on purpose it seems they intend to drag-on this "dragon" thing for season or 2! Some of the things they say is just bizarre and yet, new turning.
    2) What I loved the most were these words:
    Eye of the world is a place where trap was set to..."trap" DO? What is dark one according to show creators? Sauron? Voldemort?
    3) After Dragon clubbed him too hard, DO fell asleep and now our all knowing Amrylin knows he is "weak" and time is right to strike him down. But hey, DON"T SEND ARMIES!
    Only Dragon can do the clubbing. They know that. But apparently they don't know who, or what dragon is!

    Love the fact Moiraine keeps telling us that she will kill the Dragon if "it" joins the shadow. Yep, mighty moiraine, ready to destroy most powerful "male channeler". And yet, she herself can't club this weak DO. LOL. Threatening Rand is one thing, threatening Dragon is something only "this turning of wheel" can do!


    Rest in peace Rand. While books were told from perspective of Emond 5, mostly with 3 men dominating the story, now they are lucky to get 10 sec per hr episode. I bet viewers are going to be thrilled that a guy with 10 min total screen time is "savior" while Moraine is just a side charecter and not even the top one.
    Unless nothing like this would happen. I am trying to imagine what new "surprises" are in the store.
    They will likey change him or you missed the part where the Dragon can be actually 5 people. The wheel can split their soul.

  9. #1449
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    They also did away with the Warder cloak - too much money?


    I can't wait to have an animated version of this that stays true to the books.

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    They will likey change him or you missed the part where the Dragon can be actually 5 people. The wheel can split their soul.
    Give me 15ish seasons of a wheel of time anime one full cour per book outside a few which can be semi condensed holy crap that would be amazing.

  10. #1450
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    They also did away with the Warder cloak - too much money?


    I can't wait to have an animated version of this that stays true to the books.

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    They will likey change him or you missed the part where the Dragon can be actually 5 people. The wheel can split their soul.
    I thought they were alluding to potential of any of them being Dragon. I need to rewatch. I didn't realize an all knowing powerful Aes Sedai has made such claim. WoW. New turning indeed. Why stop at 5? Why not 500 million? Dragon must have one mighty soul to be split so much and still be one soul for each!

    This kind of stupidity could only be seen on CW shows. God.

  11. #1451
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    I mean, you contradicted your own point, apparently all you need is a cold heart for your statement to be infactual. You're doing a lot of assuming in order to point out an issue you have with the show, which is interesting, because given the source material you're more arguing with Jordan's writing than that of the show.

    But fwiw, that was my attempt to disengage from the conversation because I don't really think you're open to discussion, I think you're just wanting to disparage the show, which is fine, I'm just not interested in engaging with that.
    No I didn't. They had a relationship when they were accepted they purposefully completely split off when they were raised to the shawl to hide the mission that Tamra entrusted to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbond View Post
    I thought they were alluding to potential of any of them being Dragon. I need to rewatch. I didn't realize an all knowing powerful Aes Sedai has made such claim. WoW. New turning indeed. Why stop at 5? Why not 500 million? Dragon must have one mighty soul to be split so much and still be one soul for each!

    This kind of stupidity could only be seen on CW shows. God.
    This show is legit a cw show though look at the casting the level of acting and the costuming.

  12. #1452
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    they purposefully completely split off when they were raised to the shawl
    I don't think that's true.

  13. #1453
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Rumor...8th episode Rafe said he was going to flip the table on readers' expectations..
    Well... I have to wonder if "8" wasn't typoed for "6."

  14. #1454
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    I don't think that's true.
    Look it up it's even commented on later by a certain sister how she remembered that they used to be thick as thieves and weren't fooling her. I've already said they were together but they put aside their relationship as well as friendship for the good of the world. Moiraine went to find him and Siuan prepared to lay the way for his coming.
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  15. #1455
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Look it up it's even commented on later by a certain sister how she remembered that they used to be thick as thieves and weren't fooling her. I've already said they were together but they put aside their relationship as well as friendship for the good of the world. Moiraine went to find him and Siuan prepared to lay the way for his coming.
    Wait, so another Aes Sedai comments on how they stopped appearing friendly together after they both agreed they shouldn't appear friendly together in public?

    Shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    You must be one cold hearted individual if you could move on from a 20+ year relationship in a matter of months. That's not an opinion that's a simple fact.
    in the case of Siuan, moving on to Gareth felt more like Stockholm syndrome than a relationship!

  17. #1457
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Wait, so another Aes Sedai comments on how they stopped appearing friendly together after they both agreed they shouldn't appear friendly together in public?

    Shocking.
    Her remembering it 20 years after the fact when Moiraine has actively cultivated a reputation as a rather disobedient sister of the tower is. Of course there are reasons she is that observant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    in the case of Siuan, moving on to Gareth felt more like Stockholm syndrome than a relationship!
    Mmm maybe although his actions in the end certainly make it seem like he cared for her at the very least.

  18. #1458
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Her remembering it 20 years after the fact when Moiraine has actively cultivated a reputation as a rather disobedient sister of the tower is. Of course there are reasons she is that observant.
    Absolutely, but I don't think it says anything about how close her and Suian were or weren't after they attained the shawl. I'm entirely sure they appeared to stop being so close on becoming Aes Sedai, I'm not at all convinced that that says anything about how close they have or may not have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    I am not sure if you simply don't get it, or if you do, and are just being willfully obtuse, but again: That's not how the Wheel works.
    You literally admitted it works that way in an earlier post. Remember you called it "weak" to use that reasoning when I corrected you that the Wheel does and can work that way. It is both silly to call it vaguely wheel of time while at the same time arguing that the wheel can't spin out a similar but different world. Because you are arguing it is both vague and not vague. Lmao.
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    A "five-headed dragon," really?

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