[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Xath]

Take it as you will. Whether this particular show is the one Bezos asked for or not, this series is already well-regarded by critics and audiences as being Amazon's answer to Game of Thrones. And I'm using the terminology no differently in that regard.

It's definitely not currently well regarded by critics lol

[Noxina]

It's definitely not currently well regarded by critics lol

Seems like it got good ratings all over the place. It's more the book fans that are trowing a fit (I am one of them). Just need to repeat to my self while watching "This isn't like the books, its only based on the books, watch it for the cheap entertainment value".


Reading the first book again now, and I kinda understand why they do what they do. Kinda, but mostly not.
The books are slow, even maybe boring, and would NOT captivate most people. Personally I love that style, but lets be real - people dont have the patience for it, they want action every episode.

[Smallfruitbat]

Reading the first book again now, and I kinda understand why they do what they do. Kinda, but mostly not.
The books are slow, even maybe boring, and would NOT captivate most people. Personally I love that style, but lets be real - people dont have the patience for it, they want action every episode.

I'm rereading book 1 too, I think there is enough action to compete with the travelling time. I would have loved to see the mob trying to force Moiraine out of Emmonds Field following the Trolloc attack or their escape from Baerlon.

[Xath]

Elsewhere, I've been watching someone who calls themselves a fan of the book go through all sorts of mental hurdles trying to convince others that having not one but five Dragon Reborns is totally in keeping with the books and doesn't really change anything. *headdesk*

Is it one of the dragonmount mods? They have been very vigilant in talking about how the series is totally in line with the books.

[Biomega]

It's definitely not currently well regarded by critics lol

"Critics" doesn't even mean much anymore, sadly. You google for some reviews you can find anything from "Why WoT is the best thing since sliced bread" to "Why WoT is the literal death of fantasy TV" - and it's very hard to discern whose opinion is worth paying attention to, because anyone can be on the internet. Add to that the mounting suspicion that big critics aggregators are not impartial when it comes to big budget producers like Amazon, and it's really tough to get a representative impression of what "the critics" think.

[Xath]

Seems like it got good ratings all over the place. It's more the book fans that are trowing a fit (I am one of them). Just need to repeat to my self while watching "This isn't like the books, its only based on the books, watch it for the cheap entertainment value".


Reading the first book again now, and I kinda understand why they do what they do. Kinda, but mostly not.
The books are slow, even maybe boring, and would NOT captivate most people. Personally I love that style, but lets be real - people dont have the patience for it, they want action every episode.

70s are not good ratings when spending 10 million an episode.

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I'm rereading book 1 too, I think there is enough action to compete with the travelling time. I would have loved to see the mob trying to force Moiraine out of Emmonds Field following the Trolloc attack or their escape from Baerlon.

They even undercut that. The mob forcing her out to being awed and straightening in pride finding out what their ancestors did is hugely important to the later books. The importance of the old blood is enormous later.

[Shadowferal]

Seems like it got good ratings all over the place.

So does the "Shannara Chronicles."

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I'm rereading book 1 too, I think there is enough action to compete with the travelling time. I would have loved to see the mob trying to force Moiraine out of Emmonds Field following the Trolloc attack or their escape from Baerlon.

A perfect moment for a cutscene of fabled Manethren...and with the sparkling chime of a voice that Moiraine is supposed to have, she'd be the perfect narrator.

[rhorle]

The Cycles of the Wheel were never intended to repeat individual stories.

Do you have any proof? It isn't low effort metaphysical rules. It is simply something you don't like so you find any excuse to discount it even after you already said it is possible to happen. Weird right?

[Triceron]

It's definitely not currently well regarded by critics lol

You're right, wrong words. I meant widely-acknowledged there.

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Do you have any proof?

There you go again lol

[rhorle]

There you go again lol

What is wrong with asking people to prove a claim about something from the books? Are you that upset that I questioned you that you now need to troll any post that asks for claims to be proven? They already admitted it is possible but keep claiming it doesn't work that way, wouldn't you ask for definitive proof in that situation?

[Shadowferal]

Hmf...rumor mill says they want to kerp Rosamund Pike busy for 8 seasons if Amazon keeps the bills paid.

[Triceron]

What is wrong with asking people to prove a claim about something from the books?

Nothing wrong at all. You're just asking proof for something that you know can't be proven, since the author's fucking dead lol

[rhorle]

Hmf...rumor mill says they want to kerp Rosamund Pike busy for 8 seasons if Amazon keeps the bills paid.

https://www.thewrap.com/the-wheel-of...adapted-books/

It isn't a rumor. The show runners plotted out a plan for 8 seasons before the show was picked up by Amazon.

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Nothing wrong at all. You're just asking proof for something that you know can't be proven, since the author's fucking dead lol

It could have been stated somewhere in stuff already written. Robert Jordan had extensive notes. It could be something that I haven't personally seen. Like the "casting list" Robert Jordan made for example. I saw that for the first time in this thread. But hey I can't ask questions because you might get upset again or something. Lol.

[Triceron]

It could have been stated somewhere in stuff already written. Robert Jordan had extensive notes. It could be something that I haven't personally seen. Like the "casting list" Robert Jordan made for example. I saw that for the first time in this thread. But hey I can't ask questions because you might get upset again or something. Lol.

You can ask the questions. I'll just point out how you're either pretending to be ignorant just to imply someone is wrong, or willingly ignorant since you aren't bothered to looking into it yourself.

A more nice way to ask it is to ask for a source. When you just straight up ask for proof, all while adding statements that undermine their claims, then you can't exactly pretend to be genuinely curious. It's pretty obvious what you're intentions are, and it's not in finding out something you don't already know. You know it, you refute it, and you even called them out on it.

'It is simply something you don't like so you find any excuse' is not a genuine line of inquiry, lol.

[rhorle]

A more nice way to ask it is to ask for a source.

Asking for proof is asking for a source. Stop being salty because I questioned your claims.

[Triceron]

Asking for proof is asking for a source. Stop being salty because I questioned your claims.

Asking for proof while dismissing their claims as being an excuse before they get a chance to provide any answer is being an asshole. Just being clear to you, since you seem to be willingly unaware of that as well.

[Biomega]

Things to do when asked to provide proof:

- provide proof

Things not to do when asked to provide proof:

- complain that you didn't get a chance to provide proof, but still not provide any proof

But it's not like it really matters. Even if the WoT books had a sentence in there going "the Wheel continuously spits out new universes with stories in every conceivable configuration" that wouldn't make the show's story one iota better. The problem people who don't like it have is that they don't like what's happening, irrespective of whether or not it's true to the books. That's just a corollary to the process.

[Mace]

As a woman, I absolutely hate the feminist angle. -I agree, it's definitely there.

When I was reading the books, I loved the men as much as the women. It was a nice escape to fantasize about some of them. -Yes, I fall in love with fictional characters, I'm odd, I'll own that. Changing Lan, Abel and to some degree Tam has taken something from me. I understand them wanting to loosen Lan up a bit, but I loved that stoic grunting. -Yes, that probably says more about me than the character.

I also don't like the fact that women seem to be completely independent and taking over everything -in quite an aggressive manner. I do not want to see Siuan sentencing Logain to a miserable existence because he's a man who dared to channel. It loses the nuance.

I did like the relationship between Siuan and Moiraine; it actually felt more fitting than in the books. Whether or not they were knocking boots in the books was immaterial. It was the closeness and utter loyalty to the point both were prepared to give their lives for the cause and in protection of the other.

All in all, I tend to agree the showrunners have cut out the heart of the show and sacrificed it on the altar of woke.

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I don't mind them once being lovers either, in the books they are striaght, but they could have fooled around when they were younger, or be bi.

[Shadowferal]

https://www.thewrap.com/the-wheel-of...adapted-books/ It isn't a rumor. The show runners plotted out a plan for 8 seasons before the show was picked up by Amazon.

Her fate criss-crosses with a few others, and getting them in place after what seems to me, doing away with the sequence of events that leads them to her would take quite a leap of writing skill to do so effectively.
Mat's story and the Aiel would especially need a book of rewritten material just to do it.
Tower of Ghenji, 'sacrificing half of the light of the world to save the world,' Noial's fate, and Mat finally recognizing he may actually be a hero... I suppose It won't come as a shock if they toss away the sequence leading to "Dumai's Wells" as well.

[Tyris Flare]

Things to do when asked to provide proof:

- provide proof

Things not to do when asked to provide proof:

- complain that you didn't get a chance to provide proof, but still not provide any proof

But it's not like it really matters. Even if the WoT books had a sentence in there going "the Wheel continuously spits out new universes with stories in every conceivable configuration" that wouldn't make the show's story one iota better. The problem people who don't like it have is that they don't like what's happening, irrespective of whether or not it's true to the books. That's just a corollary to the process.

Asking for proof of something that can't realistically proven is being the "I'm just asking questions!" guy that no one likes.

Not everything is chemistry. It's just being used as sophistry.

Is it reasonable to assume that Amazon wants Wheel of Time to be their GoT since got is 1) fantasy and 2) one of the most successful shows in history? Of course. Can we prove this? Of course not! And asking for it is disingenuous, because even if some Amazon executive said that verbatim someone would just move the goalposts.