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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolsname View Post
    I was a bit over 3000 earlier, 2 seasons in a row. Then, last season I fell into 2750, and now this season I'm in ~2550. I really don't know what has changed that affects this. Really frustrating, I don't think I will play even placements anymore (I play comp just to know at what level I am overall), but this has really made me sad with the game.
    well the playerbase is always evolving; the diamond players of 2016 are not the same players they are in 2018.

    Personally, I don't feel like anyone has earned their rank until they have played 50 games at that rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    I guess you think it is all luck then.

    More of a case of "Which team gets the worst team"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    As for people wondering about mercy's viability afterwards: holy shit the entire reason she is getting nerfed in the first place is because she is SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER SUPPORT that she is literally a must pick for every game. She is going to be fine.
    I outheal her with Lucio and Moira, she is a sitting duck while rezing not in valk form (soon to be changed and she will be a sitting duck then too) unless she can actually get that Rein or Orisa to shield her, I agree valk mode needed the shorter length of time.
    History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    ok well let me know when every other hero in the game besides Junkrat can get practically 2 guaranteed picks (or in mercy's case, "un-picks") from basically spawn. Mercy is also the only hero in the game that creates un-picks and we already know how stupid RIP-Tire is.
    Widowmaker, Hanzo, Junkrat as you mention. Think I posted a video of me taking Anubis Point A on Widowmaker inside a minute, in which Mercy wouldn't get 2 resses.

    She's also very limited and fairly weak outside of her ultimate, her damage boost does not make up for the kind of damage that Moira or Zenyatta can put out on their own, meanwhile the latter has probably the second most powerful ult in the game in that rather than 2 'unpicks', he straight up prevents any picks from all but about 3 ults. Lucio too through Sound Barrier can and does prevent team wipes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    ok well let me know when every other hero in the game besides Junkrat can get practically 2 guaranteed picks (or in mercy's case, "un-picks") from basically spawn. Mercy is also the only hero in the game that creates un-picks and we already know how stupid RIP-Tire is.

    It's just way way way too much bullshit. She's practically invincible for 20 seconds, flying around at half the speed of light, is healing regardless of whether or not you are shooting her, chain healing/boosting practically her entire fucking team and can rez 2 people.

    There is not a single ultimate in the game that is this powerful.
    Except all of what her ult does is gimped versions of other ults.

    Her healing during ult isn't going to save anyone from lethal damage/other ults, Zen/Lucio are far better for that.
    Her boost is 30% compared to Orisa's 50% boost.

    And that's working under the already false assumption that she's "unkillable".

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    As for people wondering about mercy's viability afterwards: holy shit the entire reason she is getting nerfed in the first place is because she is SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER SUPPORT that she is literally a must pick for every game. She is going to be fine.
    Or...she's a "must pick" because the game heavily values those who pick attackers, and it's one of the most popular roles, so when people who normally play attackers are forced to heal, they pick the healer that has good healing output while requiring the least former knowledge of how to play her.

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    ok everyone, bastion does the most dps in the game.

    is he the best dps? no? k thx

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    If you are as good as you think you are, every team with you on it would instantly be the better team. xD

    I'm so tired of seeing people always blaming their team for their own level of sucking in this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    ok everyone, bastion does the most dps in the game.

    is he the best dps? no? k thx
    That is honestly the worst comparison I've ever seen.

    Like, I'm not sure if I should even try to explain how bad it is...
    Bastion has stupidly large spread range when in turret mode. He's immobile and a sitting duck to death.

    He's not even an attacker for Christ's sake. This isn't even a comparison you should be making as a counter point, especially when nowhere did I say Mercy has the best output. Nowhere did anyone say that.

    This is just...out of all the responses I could have expected, this isn't the one. I would have expected something like "Well why don't they pick Soldier then instead" over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    ...Roadhog's hook was never removed.

    You're proving Jessicka's point right.
    Hook dragging people around corners was removed, along with his ability to reliably one shot lower health targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Hook dragging people around corners was removed, along with his ability to reliably one shot lower health targets.
    And he received buffs after that, while still retaining his hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    If you are as good as you think you are, every team with you on it would instantly be the better team. xD

    I'm so tired of seeing people always blaming their team for their own level of sucking in this game.
    Give me 6 of me and I'd wreck my way up to masters without problems. I don't understand how half of the people I play with even made it to diamond, they're playing like bronze players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    And he received buffs after that, while still retaining his hook.
    Sure, if you consider completely gutting an ability to be a shadow of its former self to be "retaining" an ability I don't have much to disagree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    And he received buffs after that, while still retaining his hook.
    Roadhog is shit tier. If I see roadhog on the field when playing soldier it's free ult charge for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    More of a case of "Which team gets the worst team"

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    I outheal her with Lucio and Moira, she is a sitting duck while rezing not in valk form (soon to be changed and she will be a sitting duck then too) unless she can actually get that Rein or Orisa to shield her, I agree valk mode needed the shorter length of time.
    If you out heal her with lucio you are playing lucio wrong. And Moira is Moira. So there is no point to be made there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Sure, if you consider completely gutting an ability to be a shadow of its former self to be "retaining" an ability I don't have much to disagree with.
    Hook is still pretty good though actually. It's more responsive now, and you're still able to turn and drop people off of cliffs while using it
    It's not nearly a "Shadow of its former self", it definitely didn't deserve to grab people around walls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    Roadhog is shit tier. If I see roadhog on the field when playing soldier it's free ult charge for me.
    His tier is irrelevant, but he's not bad at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    His tier is irrelevant, but he's not bad at all.
    He is bad. He's only good against people who don't know how to position themselves and even then you can get killed by the ones you hook if they have a somewhat decent aim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    He is bad. He's only good against people who don't know how to position themselves and even then you can get killed by the ones you hook if they have a somewhat decent aim.
    https://www.overbuff.com/heroes

    Try again.
    Set it to Grandmaster, and last month.

    Or whatever the hell you want actually, no matter what Roadhog has a decent pick rate and positive win rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Hook is still pretty good though actually. It's more responsive now, and you're still able to turn and drop people off of cliffs while using it
    It's not nearly a "Shadow of its former self", it definitely didn't deserve to grab people around walls.



    His tier is irrelevant, but he's not bad at all.
    He never grabbed people around walls, he grabbed people in los and if there momentum carried them around the wall they were drug back, because he grabbed them, IN LOS.

    I don't know why I am arguing this, when he was in his prime I was a Rein main, he was literally my hard counter and I had 0 problems with his concept. The only players who have a problem with his old hook are those that have terrible positioning.

    The only reason he isn't unplayable is because Dvas Matrix was nerfed hard.

  19. #7699
    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    Roadhog is shit tier. If I see roadhog on the field when playing soldier it's free ult charge for me.
    Take it from someone who has done bronze to masters 2x, plat to masters 1x.

    Plat is the hardest tier to get out of, everyone is a know it all, the teamwork is terrible to passable and mechanical skills of individuals runs the gambit from horrid to good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    https://www.overbuff.com/heroes

    Try again.
    Set it to Grandmaster, and last month.

    Or whatever the hell you want actually, no matter what Roadhog has a decent pick rate and positive win rate.
    I know you weren't responding to me, and I don't agree with the other poster saying he is shit tier. But that link REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hurts everyone of the positive arguments about mercy here.

    Like how are you going to argue with a hero that pretty much has double the pick rate of anything else across the board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    Take it from someone who has done bronze to masters 2x, plat to masters 1x.

    Plat is the hardest tier to get out of, everyone is a know it all, the teamwork is terrible to passable and mechanical skills of individuals runs the gambit from horrid to good.
    And plat is actually all the way from 2500-3400 in reality

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