1. #8681
    Tracer needs something of a nerf. Because in the right hands, she is just to fucking overpowered. High damage,
    the best escapes, and her ability to just obliterate or escape her supposed counters is too strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    Tracer needs something of a nerf. Because in the right hands, she is just to fucking overpowered. High damage,
    the best escapes, and her ability to just obliterate or escape her supposed counters is too strong.
    Flashbang, headshot, no more Tracer.
    BAD WOLF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Flashbang, headshot, no more Tracer.
    And if no one is good with McCree?

    Yeah, a lot more complex than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    And if no one is good with McCree?

    Yeah, a lot more complex than that.
    Always remember where she was in the last 3 seconds and force her recall. One mccree bullet and a few collateral damage is enough to scare her. When she recalls, flashbang where she was 3 seconds ago and headshot/fth.

    If no one's good, get Brigitte/Sombra. Even a good s76 can do the trick with hs/rockets.

    If tracer's still causing havoc...gid gud.
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  5. #8685
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Been playing a lot of Brigitte. Best Champ in game.

    My games generally at the moment go 1 of 2 ways.

    1. My team Stays as a group and we win.
    2. Idiots on my team run at the enemy in single file and we lose.

    Won 8 games in a row in Quickplay with a team of randoms that knew to stick together.
    lost 4 in a row with randoms that just chose either long range champs and never tried to actually move forward in attack. Or just Genjis/Tracers/Sombras running face first into enemy teams.

    Spamming Group up doesn't seem to work, though I figure they are just too illiterate to understand the words.

    My current main hate list:

    Junkrat. His basic fire just disregards my Barrier. Woo yeah!
    Sombra. her hack feels like it lasts way too long and is basically a instant death sentence.

    I think the one change I'd make to Brig would be removing 100 of her Barrier health to add 50 more armour on her HP bar.

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    Your pain. I feel it.
    You are basically saying you hate anything that counters Brig which you play. There is no character in the game that doesn't have a direct counter. Pharah is a much easier counter than junkrat because junkrat cant make his prim fire blow up at your feet. It either hits and blows or bounces past. Most of the time your shield should be taking the primary fire. His mine on the other hand he can det at will. Pharah always shoots for your feet and always does splash damage if not impact damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    And if no one is good with McCree?

    Yeah, a lot more complex than that.
    You so much as scratch a tracer and she will burn the recall. A good trick with roadhog is to melee, Tracer will think he is hooking and zip elsewhere or recall, when she is trying to figure out her bearings you hook her because you can see which direction she goes.

    Torb turret also tends to shut her down as Tracers don't like getting even a scratch on them and they will think twice about skipping around in your back yard.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    You are basically saying you hate anything that counters Brig which you play.
    Yes. I'm am glad you got that from my glaringly obvious intention.

    I'm fine with Pharah, since she generally needs LoS to attack whereas Junkrat just bouncing grenades off walls and around corners is frustrating. That and I enjoy slapping Pharahs out of the sky with my SHIFT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    And if no one is good with McCree?

    Yeah, a lot more complex than that.
    Brigitte is a Tracer Slayer. Can generally murder a Tracer in a Shield Stun, Melee-Shift combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Yes. I'm am glad you got that from my glaringly obvious intention.

    I'm fine with Pharah, since she generally needs LoS to attack whereas Junkrat just bouncing grenades off walls and around corners is frustrating. That and I enjoy slapping Pharahs out of the sky with my SHIFT.

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    Brigitte is a Tracer Slayer. Can generally murder a Tracer in a Shield Stun, Melee-Shift combo.
    I tend to find that Junkrats grenades are far easier to dodge than pharahs missiles. I tend to bob and weave through them, its really only the mines that he chucks which get me consistently. Pharahs wreck me on Brigs. 3 rockets in my general area put me out of the fight. Even if you knock them back they don't get knocked down.

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    I would really like to see a more natural counter to pharah, be it someone who can get in the sky with her to dance (not firing slow missiles) or someone who can bring her down to the ground (Hacking is too short of range).
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  8. #8688
    Quote Originally Posted by A-sayo View Post
    If tracer's still causing havoc...gid gud.
    You stopped having a credible and intelligent response the moment you said the last part.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    You so much as scratch a tracer and she will burn the recall. A good trick with roadhog is to melee, Tracer will think he is hooking and zip elsewhere or recall, when she is trying to figure out her bearings you hook her because you can see which direction she goes.

    Torb turret also tends to shut her down as Tracers don't like getting even a scratch on them and they will think twice about skipping around in your back yard.
    Bad Tracers will recall when that happens, the good ones are plenty smart enough to keep going after one hit,
    not to mention that they're going to be extremely hard to hit anyway. They don't move in predictable patterns.

    The problem with Hog vs. Tracer is that she can put a lot of hurt on him, and shut him down imo, more easily
    than he can do the same to her. Especially if the hook misses.

    And the turret only works if its in a place she can't get too easily. Otherwise, she can easily burst it down and
    destroy it, unless you waste a Molten Core.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Brigitte is a Tracer Slayer. Can generally murder a Tracer in a Shield Stun, Melee-Shift combo.
    Unfortunately, she's not available in Comp atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    Unfortunately, she's not available in Comp atm.
    Oh really? Didn't even realise, had just been playing her in lots of quickplay to get a hang of her.

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    chateu deathmatch with Brigitte is the most fun shit ever.
    BAD WOLF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    chateu deathmatch with Brigitte is the most fun shit ever.
    Unless you are not brigette :P Most characters can't deal with her one on one. Reaper gets stunned and flogged, genji flogged, anna can only use grenade... it is pretty much just pharah, junkrat and McCree.
    Last edited by DeadmanWalking; 2018-04-01 at 02:08 AM.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Unless you are not brigette :P Most characters can't deal with her one on one. Reaper gets stunned and flogged, genji flogged, anna can only use grenade... it is pretty much just pharah, junkrat and McCree.
    Any character that can not be near her can counter her easily. That's a whole hell of a lot of people. Also, most people just think she's op b/c they don't have timing down on how to counter her. Reaper counters if he does what he's not use to doing, holding his shots. Don't fall for the ole shield up shield down shit and only wraith when she charges.

    I think my favorite part about her though is that she can go toe toe with Roadhog and either annoy him so much he has to go somewhere else or she can attrition him out if his cds aren't perfect.
    BAD WOLF

  13. #8693
    I have no strong opinion on Brigitte but I will say Rein feels absolutely awful to play with all the latest heroes and changes, and it's going to get even worse when/if the Mei and Reaper (lol) changes go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Any character that can not be near her can counter her easily. That's a whole hell of a lot of people. Also, most people just think she's op b/c they don't have timing down on how to counter her. Reaper counters if he does what he's not use to doing, holding his shots. Don't fall for the ole shield up shield down shit and only wraith when she charges.

    I think my favorite part about her though is that she can go toe toe with Roadhog and either annoy him so much he has to go somewhere else or she can attrition him out if his cds aren't perfect.
    It will be easier to deal with her as reaper once wraith walk gets updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woobels View Post
    I have no strong opinion on Brigitte but I will say Rein feels absolutely awful to play with all the latest heroes and changes, and it's going to get even worse when/if the Mei and Reaper (lol) changes go through.
    Mei isn’t going to change Rhein any, his shield will either protect him or it won’t as it is on live. The difference is the team mate standing behind Rhein will also get frozen. She isn’t exactly anti-tank, she is more lethal to squishies as she can’t freeze and face shot Rhein in one shot.
    Her changes are not to anti-tank but rather just to make her more desirable for comp play.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  15. #8695
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Oh really? Didn't even realise, had just been playing her in lots of quickplay to get a hang of her.
    Yeah unlike before, they've changed it so now whenever a new character is released, they aren't available
    until the next Comp Season.

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    First game in a few days, 5-man premade and they ask me to get on voice chat. Say hello. Instant rape threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    First game in a few days, 5-man premade and they ask me to get on voice chat. Say hello. Instant rape threat.
    Sums it up pretty much. Everytime i hear a girl speak in Overwatch then there's always that one dude who has to make it super creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woobels View Post
    I have no strong opinion on Brigitte but I will say Rein feels absolutely awful to play with all the latest heroes and changes, and it's going to get even worse when/if the Mei and Reaper (lol) changes go through.
    These new changes are aimed at fixing a 3 tank meta that doesn't exist, with heroes that don't work well against a dive composition that works just fine against a 3 tank comp. Reinforcing anti-tank roles which aren't needed, and punishing tank players who really are.

    There's no sense to any of it, and it's small wonder everyone's fed up of basically everything to do with the game. Think MMO-C have jumped on the bandwagon at just about the wrong moment.

    I also don't understand how QP which is supposed to be the default game mode is also by far the worst and why Blizz have never done anything about that, or even mentioned it.

    Since they declared 'success' with Doomfist, it's been one mis-step after another.

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    10 games played today, 4 griefers on my team, 2 on the enemy team and 3 leavers. Competitive sure is fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    It will be easier to deal with her as reaper once wraith walk gets updated.

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    Mei isn’t going to change Rhein any, his shield will either protect him or it won’t as it is on live. The difference is the team mate standing behind Rhein will also get frozen. She isn’t exactly anti-tank, she is more lethal to squishies as she can’t freeze and face shot Rhein in one shot.
    Her changes are not to anti-tank but rather just to make her more desirable for comp play.
    My issue with Rein currently is that he's being thrown around by everything, Brigitte knocks him back, Junkrat will knock him around, D.Va bumps him around, Doomfist knocks him back and I can go on and on, Reaper with his buffs live will completely murder him and Mei's changes will make his barrier also less desirable.

    Just give the man some CC reduction while holding his shield up or something.

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