1. #8721
    Ugh, I see the new problem is zenyata, Lucio, Brig trio on defence, everytime you get your attack group to go in one of them has ult ready.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  2. #8722
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    Brig+Moira is pretty nasty tbh.
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  3. #8723
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    That's what turns me off of competitive play. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems that I almost always get five to ten games in a row where someone quits, or is playing to lose rank so they can smurf. Wins and losses are VERY streaky, and I just don't have the will power to sit through all the losses before I get the streak of wins.
    In all honesty, one of the best things people can do to get a better understanding how their own experience is to actually track your results. There's plenty of spreadsheets and such you can download. Record your SR gains and losses (at least) for every match you play in for a season. You can include hero picks if you want more data; if you're a flex player and you see that you're losing way more often with McCree than Soldier 76, you should probably question why you play McCree.

    But it's useful just for seeing the distribution. There'll be streaks. But if you want to compare it to random chance, flip a coin 50 times, or roll a die and record how many times it shows 1-3 rather than 4-6. You'll get streaks there, too. But a run of 5 "wins" isn't any less "likely" than a win/loss/win/loss/win. They're both equally likely outcomes over a 5-match run. Now, you could ALSO get win/loss/loss/win/win, or win/loss/loss/win/loss, and a lot of other variations that are more balanced, but any specific 5-match outcome sequence is equally unlikely.

    And with OW, it's a bit off because it's not purely random. There's systems in place to nudge you back. In particular, if you have a streak, you SR changes a lot. That puts you up against a different class of opponents, and your skill compared to theirs is at an increasing divide. Eventually, if you were properly-ranked in the first place, that'll break and you'll tend to waffle back to that middle point.

    There's a lot of perception bias in play. You notice the streaks that are bad, or awesome. You don't really notice the more-irregular moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    In all honesty, one of the best things people can do to get a better understanding how their own experience is to actually track your results.
    Did that, this season and several seasons ago. It is far outside of chance. There is something still very off about Blizzards matchmaking system. Even happens in quick play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahveros View Post
    Not great at all but I'm still having fun. I stopped caring about my SR once I got below 2k rating because actually trying to get back above 2k is impossible for me even when I fill healer or tank. Now I just play junkrat all the time and have fun.
    Try 6 stacking, ranked is functionally unplayable without teammates. My rating tanks everytime I solo queue.

  6. #8726
    Played some games yesterday, first some deathmatches and then a bit of qp. I was a dead weight. Couldn't hit a single thing, wrist was hurting when trying to shoot the pharah. Haven't been that bad in games since I started playing fps. Left the game in rage. Hopefully today will be better.
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    Tofinish list : NOTHING CAUSE I FINALLY DID IT.
    Todo list : S;G0, New Game, Erased.

  7. #8727
    Get a torb dispensing armor, Brig perm ult, and Sym with barrier projector and you basically get every squishy on your team turned into a tank.

    That or match Brig with Lucio and Zen on defence and you get someone ulting on every enemy wave in a way that no one can kill your team with offensive ults unless they bait your ults out and save an ult for after which they most likely won't live long enough to finish baiting since your team is unkillable long enough to kill their team.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    If the enemy team takes the first point super easily in Mystery Heroes, no point in sticking around. Best to try a different game
    and hope for a better "lottery."

  9. #8729
    I hope they bring in a map veto feature at some point. Game keeps giving me Blizzard World and i absolutely hate that map for anything other than sightseeing.

  10. #8730
    I got a play of the game on Symmetra that I thought was hilarious. While I was standing on the payload at the finishing line of Junkertown, I did not actually manage to connect a beam or orb to anything. I was chasing a tracer around the payload with no success, but turrets were doing work off-screen in a couple of different locations. It was pretty awkward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenzha View Post
    I hope they bring in a map veto feature at some point. Game keeps giving me Blizzard World and i absolutely hate that map for anything other than sightseeing.
    Same. I would enjoy the game so much more if I could just play KotH maps. I'm convinced Blizzard has increased the odds of getting Junkertown/Blizzworld now too. I hate those maps; waaaay too open. These maps make people play poorly and often make for very boring games.

    I'm curious what kinds of maps people prefer, and whether a majority prefers one map type or whether people's preferences are spread out equally.

  11. #8731
    Keep getting comp games where I'm the only healer or tank all the time. Muted for 23 days as a result of yelling at my team after the 5th straight game of people being asshats. So, pretty much nothing out of the ordinary here.

    I 100% agree with the idea of a map veto feature. If Blizz's only concern is people abusing it in groups by having a different person veto each map they didn't want to play so they'd constantly have a small rotation of maps, they could just only allow it while queuing solo.

  12. #8732
    So I had this question: why is the game silencing players trying to help bad players instead of banning bad players so the good ones can play in peace?

  13. #8733
    Hellboy guy talks too much.

  14. #8734
    10 games in a row where the enemy wins without even trying, cause my team just runs in 1 at a time and dies. I can see this is gonna be like every other team game I play. I get nothing but idiots. Just need to quit playing this now.
    If what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. Then I should be a god by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    If the enemy team takes the first point super easily in Mystery Heroes, no point in sticking around. Best to try a different game
    and hope for a better "lottery."
    Nah there are some end points that are so close to spawn that you can hold them much easier. Besides you could always get the roll of the die that gives you 3 bastions, 2 orisas and a mercy or 5 torbjorns. Thus the joy of mystery hero. The only time I leave is when it is obviously a team full of retards who run in one at a time or cant figure out how to target priority. "Lets see, I shoot the roadhog and the mercy heals him so I obviously have to keep shooting roadhog!"
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    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  16. #8736
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    10 games in a row where the enemy wins without even trying, cause my team just runs in 1 at a time and dies. I can see this is gonna be like every other team game I play. I get nothing but idiots. Just need to quit playing this now.
    It is amazing how many people still trickle in and use their ults by themselves in a 1v6 situation, even in the upper gold/lower platinum where I'm at and there is really no excuse for this outside of bronze league. I'm not extremely vocal on comms in ranked play but half of what I do say is telling the team to hold up and attack together. And it's frustrating when people still don't listen and you basically have to find the largest clump of people to attack with and hope for the best.

  17. #8737
    I had a game yesterday where my team kept shooting Orisas shield instead of walking through it and killing her. They would shoot it and she would put another out shield while her team continued to kill it s from behind the shield. And of course they would trickle in one at a time. I was Mercy healing and telling my team to walk through the shield and shoot her but no one would listen, even the tracer seemed too stupid to blink through it, instead dropping clips into it.
    Last edited by DeadmanWalking; 2018-03-30 at 04:17 AM.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  18. #8738
    I have semi-intentionally dropped my QP mmr and I have gained quite a bit of insight that I didn't have before, mostly regarding Symmetra. I always thought that Symm would be more fun the lower the rating, but alas I found out that is not the case. Most of my QP experience over the years came from I'd guesstimate 2800-3300 teams, but now I know what ~2k rating looks like. I've even seen a few mythical creatures (soloQ bronze players).

    Symmetra
    I finally understand why people lament her as a useless hero.

    At low ratings her shield gen is not worth much. Low skilled tracers, genjis, mercies, widows etc don't really care about 75 extra health; it doesn't make much of a difference on them. Healers also don't really care about the extra layer of health on teams as people tend to get picked off out of position very often. At higher ratings 75 extra health is the difference between death and a kill and is overall a very noticeable blanket on teams. Often it is worth just staying and defending the shield gen from flankers, this is absolutely not the case at lower ratings. To add a bit of concrete fact to this: normally I would be surprised if I lose a game where I managed to have close to 100% uptime on shield gens. At lower ratings I can barely tell the difference and will lose/win just as often whether the uptime is 100% or 0%.

    Her teleporter is pretty much pointless at low ratings as well for obvious reasons. You can put down a perfect TP with 5 people dead under the bridge point B anubis, and you will see people literally take the TP only to walk backwards into the tunnel to wait for something to happen.

    Her offensive capabilities are a mixed bag. Juking people is noticeably easier, and 1v1s can be a ton of fun. On the other hand flanking or punishing overextended or careless flankers doesn't really mean much at these low ratings. Teamfights seem to be determined mostly from team comp value or big ults like mcree, reaper and zarya. Your team will most likely not take advantage of, or even notice, the ulting genji you just killed. Her turrets are also not as effective at these ratings, at least the kind of turrets I'm used to placing. Maybe death chambers are effective again but tbh I haven't tried setting many of those up. Teamfights are over quick if ults are used, and there is a whole lot of waiting around doing nothing while people run in one by one to die, giving enemy teams plenty of pressure-free time to clear your turrets (and ults).

    Overall I would not recommend her in gold/silver and below if you want to win. It can be fun and it is super easy to get play of the game and gold damage/elims, but honestly it is far more satisfying and rewarding to play Symm at higher ratings. The value you get out of her is too often lost on low skilled teams, and dare I agree with all the whiners that she really is useless after all.

    Moira
    Very strong at lower ratings! I always thought it was a bad idea to play her with a dps bias, but at lower ratings she is one of the most effective and high value heroes. Heal noobs till you have ult then go full offense. Most of these games are determined by little more than which side gets more kills, and you can get tons of kills with her. And of course heal. You don't get punished as much either while you ult, so you can really go all out offense. If I were stuck at a low rating I'd play her to get out of there.

    Roadhog
    Also very strong at these ratings. His health and healing add a ton of value to him as a hero pick. People do far less damage at the lower ratings, and a good hog can live for eternity all by himself. Other than his hook bullshit I never understood why people hated him so much, but now I do.

    Junkrat
    Another one I now understand why people hate him so much (other than random left click spam kills). At low ratings it is pretty much guaranteed that no one will even try to shoot his tire. Every tire is pretty much a guaranteed single or double kill. Good choice as well if you want to climb out of those ratings.

    The Snipers
    Oh my god, silver Hanzos and Widows. No shame in their game lol!

    The healers
    More power to the people that brave healing silver teams. I can only imagine what it would be like trying to climb out of there as a healer. Win your placements! I heal quite a bit myself, and the only time I ever touched 4k in competitive was playing mercy, but even my mercy can't make a reliable difference here. It's a completely different game down here. You never know whether there is a point in saving someone's life or whether something is worth the risk. I can't say I have noticed any OP healers at this rating either. Maybe Mercy simply because you can more easily avoid death despite your team wiping, reducing feelings of frustration and failure.

    Disclaimer: I don't know how much of this applies to competitive and I hope I never have to find out, but I doubt silver/gold people play much differently in competitive than QP other than stacking up a bit more.

  19. #8739
    Been playing a lot of Brigitte. Best Champ in game.

    My games generally at the moment go 1 of 2 ways.

    1. My team Stays as a group and we win.
    2. Idiots on my team run at the enemy in single file and we lose.

    Won 8 games in a row in Quickplay with a team of randoms that knew to stick together.
    lost 4 in a row with randoms that just chose either long range champs and never tried to actually move forward in attack. Or just Genjis/Tracers/Sombras running face first into enemy teams.

    Spamming Group up doesn't seem to work, though I figure they are just too illiterate to understand the words.

    My current main hate list:

    Junkrat. His basic fire just disregards my Barrier. Woo yeah!
    Sombra. her hack feels like it lasts way too long and is basically a instant death sentence.

    I think the one change I'd make to Brig would be removing 100 of her Barrier health to add 50 more armour on her HP bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    10 games in a row where the enemy wins without even trying, cause my team just runs in 1 at a time and dies. I can see this is gonna be like every other team game I play. I get nothing but idiots. Just need to quit playing this now.
    Your pain. I feel it.

  20. #8740
    I'm never going to get out of my elo without a better pc I don't think.

    Anyway, I am eagerly awaiting seeing the new skins.

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