1. #10121
    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    I'm convinced that it is people like this who caused so many to quit the game with their vitriol.
    Legit. \10char

  2. #10122
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    If you need to lie to demonstrate a point, chances are your point is indefensible. Lol Reins can't secure shatter kills, your mate is not GM, just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. All this wild misunderstanding of the game is probably why you're hardstuck, that and blaming your team ofc.

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    Lol dude, aren't we so toxic. Friend of GM Rein who can't land firestrikes is getting upset, maybe we're the bad guys?
    I never met a more ignorant and toxic person in my life. You refuse to have a discussion and throw out insults instead. Do you consider yourself mature?

  3. #10123
    Your discussion ended when one of your fictitious talking points crossed the line from "okay that is possible I guess" to "that has never happened anywhere."

    There is a Sombra main in GM from thailand or something missing a few of her fingers and she somehow still stays at 3.9-4k SR after losing the fingers. By the way if you're reading this I have a giant crush on you. Anyway mmoc what is your excuse? Your rein friends?
    XD

    You thought your lie was believable because it fits into the narrative you have convinced yourself of, "Tanks and Healers can get hardstuck where they don't belong." (plat of all things) THE REALITY IS BATTLEBEARD, having a good rein on your team I would ballpark it at 75% flat increased chance of winning, YOU EVEN SAID HE CAN PLAY WINSTON HOLY SHIT.

    So hes not a one trick and can play in goats, dive or conventional, you said he is top 500, THERE IS NO UNIVERSE IN WHICH THIS PLAYER GETS STUCK!

    No. no. no. no. no.

    Stop.

    There is no elo hell.

    I was stuck in high bronze(equivalent, this is before bronze) then I was stuck in silver, then I was stuck in gold, I was stuck in plat for a long ass time, then I was stuck in diamond, then I was stuck in low masters(for ages) then I was stuck in high masters, now I'm stuck again.

    I know I'm not top 500, I know that it is my inconsistent accuracy that keeps me where I am, I know that it is a minute amount and I try to practice, I do my best.
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    Can we please drop this bickering. It's clear no one's mind is going to be changed so it's time to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xChurch View Post
    Can we please drop this bickering. It's clear no one's mind is going to be changed so it's time to let it go.
    And we're fine with letting toxic misinformation sit unchallenged, the kind that fuels the screaming, shaming and in game abuse that decimated the playerbase?

    It is the attitudes displayed in this thread by these people that is parroted by people in voice comms, team chat and match chat that is killing this game.

    The attitude that I cannot be at fault, that all my teams are bad, that the matchmaker is to blame. It is why there are five hundred pages of people saying their teams are shit, unchecked dunning-kruger of gaming ability that has morphed into a disgusting overwatch culture of toxicity. I guess it is your prerogative to let it fester.


  6. #10126
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    I never met a more ignorant and toxic person in my life. You refuse to have a discussion and throw out insults instead. Do you consider yourself mature?
    Honestly I feel like I'm engaging you much more than you deserve. You still haven't said anything of value and you keep on lying. If I'm toxic for pointing that out then RIP guess I'm toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xChurch View Post
    Can we please drop this bickering. It's clear no one's mind is going to be changed so it's time to let it go.
    This is why toxic communities stay toxic, but sure sir, I'll stop disagreeing with the people to blame for the spread of such toxicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Honestly I feel like I'm engaging you much more than you deserve. You still haven't said anything of value and you keep on lying. If I'm toxic for pointing that out then RIP guess I'm toxic.

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    This is why toxic communities stay toxic, but sure sir, I'll stop disagreeing with the people to blame for the spread of such toxicity.

    I have said tons of stuff with value, but you refuse to go directly to the point, cause you have no answer. If you disagree, then please answer the summarized question: I played Moira, no one was really diving me etc, so I survived fine, 1 death entire game, 30k healing over a 13min game (which is really good stats for upper plat), and I ever had gold elims and object kills as well (not that medals matter that much but still). I was litterally the only one who did any form of communication, calling who was low, where they came from etc. Rest of the team was 4 dps and a zen who I don't think healed anyone at all. We still lost. Obviously, they were the better team, with 2-2-2 composition etc BUT I did absolutely everything I could possibly do, and my team was hot garbage, WHAT ELSE could I POSSIBLY DO and HOW is this loss somehow MY fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    I have said tons of stuff with value, but you refuse to go directly to the point, cause you have no answer. If you disagree, then please answer the summarized question: I played Moira, no one was really diving me etc, so I survived fine, 1 death entire game, 30k healing over a 13min game (which is really good stats for upper plat), and I ever had gold elims and object kills as well (not that medals matter that much but still). I was litterally the only one who did any form of communication, calling who was low, where they came from etc. Rest of the team was 4 dps and a zen who I don't think healed anyone at all. We still lost. Obviously, they were the better team, with 2-2-2 composition etc BUT I did absolutely everything I could possibly do, and my team was hot garbage, WHAT ELSE could I POSSIBLY DO and HOW is this loss somehow MY fault?
    Every loss is your fault. If you were better you could have gotten more kills, could have landed more healing. You died once, why didn't you die zero times? If you did more damage and healing you could have ulted more often, improving your ult economy. Instead of just doing your job in the team fights, you can stagger the enemy and prevent team fights from even occuring if you play an aggressive, spawn camping Moira.

    You honestly believed you played perfectly? You don't think a better player could have done more? You think if a T500/OWL player was in your exact position they wouldn't have done more than you did? Hell even a player a few hundred SR above you could probably squeeze out a bit more healing, or damage, or maybe even just a better play.

    You can always do more. Or you can blame your teammates, continue to make the Overwatch community more self-hating and toxic and refuse to improve. Honestly, I don't care what you do, all I know is if you believe you can't do more than you did you're either lying or delusional.

  9. #10129
    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    And we're fine with letting toxic misinformation sit unchallenged, the kind that fuels the screaming, shaming and in game abuse that decimated the playerbase?

    It is the attitudes displayed in this thread by these people that is parroted by people in voice comms, team chat and match chat that is killing this game.

    The attitude that I cannot be at fault, that all my teams are bad, that the matchmaker is to blame. It is why there are five hundred pages of people saying their teams are shit, unchecked dunning-kruger of gaming ability that has morphed into a disgusting overwatch culture of toxicity. I guess it is your prerogative to let it fester.

    Yet you have no proof any of this is misinformation any more or less than what you are stating is misinformation. You also accuse people of being toxic while you and Kharadin sit there stroking each other’s egos about your own personal beliefs while dismissing anything presented to either of you immediately with no more than “no sir you are wrong because I say so.”
    As pointed out to both of you multiple times, there is no proof on either side at this point because Blizzard has not come outright and stated how it works. At this point it is guesswork with some people stating it works fine and others stating it doesn’t. The biggest differences being that people like you and Kharadin state it works fine because you 2 are where you believe you should be and other people are ranged all over the place, while people like Battlebeard and some YouTube posters state there are issues with the system based on what Blizzard has said and there personal experiences. People like myself aren’t really too concerned but are willing to accept ideas from both sides of the extreme as a possibility.
    Blaming a moderator for telling people to stop an argument that has devolved into a kindergarten fight of uh huh and nuh uhs is borderline toxic on its own, while also being the benefit of a 2yo trying to have the last word of being told to stop throwing a tantrum.
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  10. #10130
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    dismissing anything presented to either of you immediately with no more than “no sir you are wrong because I say so.”
    Lol wow are you blind? How many words have I written in defence of my position? Sure you can sit here and disagree as much as you want but to say I'm baselessly refuting your position is just a downright lie. But between Beardyboi lying and you ignoring hundreds of words (probably a couple thousand by this point) you're just making me feel more validated in continuing to disagree with you both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Every loss is your fault. If you were better you could have gotten more kills, could have landed more healing. You died once, why didn't you die zero times? If you did more damage and healing you could have ulted more often, improving your ult economy. Instead of just doing your job in the team fights, you can stagger the enemy and prevent team fights from even occuring if you play an aggressive, spawn camping Moira.

    You honestly believed you played perfectly? You don't think a better player could have done more? You think if a T500/OWL player was in your exact position they wouldn't have done more than you did? Hell even a player a few hundred SR above you could probably squeeze out a bit more healing, or damage, or maybe even just a better play.

    You can always do more. Or you can blame your teammates, continue to make the Overwatch community more self-hating and toxic and refuse to improve. Honestly, I don't care what you do, all I know is if you believe you can't do more than you did you're either lying or delusional.
    Are you insane for real? I am not an OWL player, I am a high diamond player by heart. And that is even irrelevant, you say "did you play perfect" and that is irrelevant too, what is relevant is that I played CRAZY much better than avarage platplayers and INSANELY much better than the rest of my team.

    I had over 30k healing, what is the avarage on plat, 7-10k? Thats what I see the games I play tank or DPS. I had almost 3k heal per min, do so research and you realize how much that is, and how crazy much it is at plat. I had one death, super early, by a lucky widowmaker before I knew they had one, it happens, but I was quickly back in the fight and didn't die since. How many times did my teammates die, 15-20 times I say. They had no gamesense and could not disengage when needed and sometimes went in solo... I had an absolute insane uptime on my ultimate as well, an enemy even commented on it saying I played a broken OP hero.

    So, point is, the loss was 100% not my fault and why you don't realize that is insane.

  12. #10132
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    I can't do better because actual suggestions to doing better are irrelevant!!!1111 It's my teams fault I can't do better I deserve GM but I'm stuck in silver again
    Lol I'm literally done with you.

  13. #10133
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    We still lost. Obviously, they were the better team, with 2-2-2 composition etc BUT I did absolutely everything I could possibly do, and my team was hot garbage, WHAT ELSE could I POSSIBLY DO and HOW is this loss somehow MY fault?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    2yo trying to have the last word of being told to stop throwing a tantrum.
    This is precisely why I take my valuable time to respond to posts in forums concerning my various hobbies.

    Look at the two of you, you are bullies, you belittle people here, I'm sure you do it in this game I love as well.

    My intention here was to not let bullies encourage each other and to help people that needed it, but even the official forums are more open to that so with some self control this will be the last post you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Lol I'm literally done with you.
    Yeah, you back away from the argument and insult me with your quotes. You got angry and personal, you sir, lost the debate. I stand the winner.

  15. #10135
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    Hey look I kept arguing with a guy who doesn't care about my position I must be the winner! Also my mommy said so! Yeah I'm the best genji there ever was!
    Okay buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Okay buddy.
    I honestly want to talk to you, like an actual conversation, cause of all people I met on the planet, I never dispised anyone as much as you. Your ignorance is baffling and I don't think you are a kid either. You throw insult after insult and exaggurations and misinterpetation after another and somehow see yourself as the bigger man here. I am stunned how you work as a human being and how you handle discussions. I am amazed how you function in the real world, and this is not meant as an insult really, I am simply fascinated how people like you function.

    In this entire thread I have written calmly, organized and respectfully, regardless how much I disagree and you still throw your made up quotes at me, I just don't understand that after doing this, you STILL think you are handling this discussion maturely and properly. Baffling.

  17. #10137
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    I literally just told you that I can't possibly improve because I believe nonsensical things like that and now I've said I'm also trying to engage you in actual debate, because I'm both disingenuous and I also have more patience than you for lying and refusing to read posts. BTW I WON THE ARGUMENT.
    Okay buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Okay buddy.
    Yeah, you are a lost cause and I honestly start to think you never even played Overwatch. You can't have put many hours into the game with your poor understanding how games actually work. Or you simply don't understand basics of like... life.

    If the avarage guy heal 10k and I heal 30k, I am three times better than him and has done my part, flawlessly. Nothing more I can do. You could explain this at a kindergarden and they would understand this, but not you. Or you simply enjoy trolling and insulting others so much that you don't even try to read and understand what's written.

    Or you simply don't understand how in this case healing works. You don't see how close 30k is to the absolute maximum of humanly possible healing you can do. "You could have healed 40k", no, that is litterally impossible in this short amount of time, even for the best healer in the entire world.

    I think you need to research numbers and avarage stats etc, might be as simple as that.
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  19. #10139
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    I WIN U DONT UNDERSTAND LIFE I HEALED SO MUCH I CAN'T DO MORE REEEEEEEEE despite the fact that demonstrably people at higher SRs play better than me but I'm going to ignore that because I WON THE ARGUMENT AHAHAHAHA U DONT EVEN PLAY OVERWATCH I AM PRO GENGU
    Dude you're sure giving me a good telling. I bet if your teams were better you'd be t500 gengu main.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Dude you're sure giving me a good telling. I bet if your teams were better you'd be t500 gengu main.
    Again, you do not understand how numbers work in this game and you need to research statistics to get a clue.

    And have I ever mentioned Genji? I never touched the hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Dude you're sure giving me a good telling. I bet if your teams were better you'd be t500 gengu main.
    I already also told you that I DO have two accounts close to 3500 (masters) that I play actively on and never derank from.

    Let me ask you this, and please, have the balls to give a straight real answer: If I really was a platinum player, WHY HAVE I NOT DERANKED FROM MY 3400 ACCOUNTS after HUNDREDS of games on them?

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