1. #10701
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Funny how you talk about understanding while failing to do just that.
    There will be no glory for a solo tank. Regardless if people complain about no shield or complain because the tank can’t pull the damage if, for instance, Hog becomes some solo meta tank.
    This means that any time someone picks off meta then that person gets bitched at. It becomes even more apparent as with 2/2/2 it leaves some leeway for the offtank or non meta picks; but, people still complain about that as well.
    Brig was also changed, read: nerfed, around that same time. It wasn’t due solely to the fact of the change to 2/2/2. Also, before preaching about how I’m wrong or have no understanding, keep in mind your own argument works against you when you point out how something changes due to a meta change. You use a rig and then fail to understand that Brig is mostly sidelined due to other picks right now. She’s also one of the first support to get complained about when picked right now.

    So please, before critiquing my argument, look at your own and realize that it works against your side of the debate more than against mine.
    To be clear, you are saying I am failing to understand my own and entirely subjective opinion of how the game could evolve. What I am saying to you is that you fail to understand that the game has and will change significantly to facilitate change.

    What you are whining about is irrelevant. If Blizzard were to go for 1/3/2, all tanks will be changed to be capable of very similar things. Just like Brig now is capable of actually healing. Hopefully this drills hard enough to penetrate you because this is the last time I paraphrase it for you. If you have more snark and ignorance for me though, I got all day.

  2. #10702
    My current response lately when people ask if I can swap characters: “Why? Are you suddenly going to start playing better if I do?”

  3. #10703
    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I'd like to see them move the game to a 1/3/2 format since clearly there are not as many tanks as there are dps/supports.
    They tried this idea out in their testing area, and in order to make it work, they had to buff the tanks, which made them significantly
    overpowered. The majority of the playerbase wasn't a fan of this idea, so it was scrapped.

    Considering the way the game is now, 3-2-1 is a horrible idea. It benefits no one but the dps players, as neither tank or support
    players will like the idea of less protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    My current response lately when people ask if I can swap characters: “Why? Are you suddenly going to start playing better if I do?”
    Yeah I can't imagine this never backfiring.
    Last edited by ThatsOurEric; 2020-05-13 at 02:01 PM.

  4. #10704
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    My current response lately when people ask if I can swap characters: “Why? Are you suddenly going to start playing better if I do?”
    My response would be 'Yeah, since there's a competent Widow/Ashe/Hanzo and a shield will make me live longer.'
    "It's 2013 and I still view the internet on a 560x192 resolution monitor!"

  5. #10705
    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    My response would be 'Yeah, since there's a competent Widow/Ashe/Hanzo and a shield will make me live longer.'
    Why the immediate jump into assuming I would be playing a tank.

  6. #10706
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Why the immediate jump into assuming I would be playing a tank.
    Then maybe a Mei/Sombra/Cree/Reaper for their dive tank/dps?
    "It's 2013 and I still view the internet on a 560x192 resolution monitor!"

  7. #10707
    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    Then maybe a Mei/Sombra/Cree/Reaper for their dive tank/dps?
    You’re just assuming roles I’m playing. The issue is, regardless of who I am on, people asking me to change so they can play better makes no sense and I won’t do it. If I am on support and my dps is dying because I’m playing Brig while they are on snipers nowhere near me then I will change on my own to help out. If I’m on dps and my support playing Ana/Zen are being dived Winston or DVa I change to Reaper. If I’m a tank and we have no shield I usually swap.
    People being dumb and dying to their own playstyle and asking me to change doesn’t mean I’m going to.l as they are just as accountable.

  8. #10708
    Because sometimes you need to switch and having this 'It's never my fault' mindset is usually the anchor around your teams neck. At least consider the proposal.
    "It's 2013 and I still view the internet on a 560x192 resolution monitor!"

  9. #10709
    i realy wish there was an option to not put me in the same team as people that have private profiles... these fuckers tend to be the ones that fuck off to do their own thing or troll their team the whole match and im gettin tired of it...
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  10. #10710
    Going good, having fun. Mostly play tank/Healer so no queue. I have always adapted to what the teams need, but sure its frustrating when other ppl wont adapt to the situation.

    Its been long since I gave a shit about MMR, rankings and what other teammates do. If they dont want to follow basic instructions and teamplay, fine. I queue for random games, I know what might happen. So I have decided not to get angry about it. Cant be bothered. I know what I sign up for. I just try doing my best every game and hope my teammates does the same.

    Random queue is random queue. No matter what Blizzard does, there will be enough asshats out there to ruin it for you. There will always be that guy refusing to play shieldtank, or that guy refusing to pick soldier/mccree for phara. Or that moron that always queus up for competetive team games and run every session like its a single player game running off to wherever his team aint.

  11. #10711
    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    Because sometimes you need to switch and having this 'It's never my fault' mindset is usually the anchor around your teams neck. At least consider the proposal.
    Or the person asking you to switch to make up for their being countered could switch themselves.

  12. #10712
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Or the person asking you to switch to make up for their being countered could switch themselves.
    Yeah we get it, it's never you at fault, it's always on the others.
    "It's 2013 and I still view the internet on a 560x192 resolution monitor!"

  13. #10713
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Or the person asking you to switch to make up for their being countered could switch themselves.
    If they're asking you to switch, it's MOST LIKELY because your team is being hard countered by something, and your role (the hero
    you are playing) is not being as effective as your teammate, thus asking you to switch. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

  14. #10714
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    If they're asking you to switch, it's MOST LIKELY because your team is being hard countered by something, and your role (the hero
    you are playing) is not being as effective as your teammate, thus asking you to switch. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
    Or, they are playing a Brig into a Junkrat/76 combo and asking me to switch, regardless what role I am playing, has no bearing on the fact that said Brig player is being hard countered and next to useless and that player should switch. Not ask me to.
    There’s an inherent give and take in this game. If you’re being countered, maybe try and swap to something that can counter it, not ask your teammates to handle it for you.
    If your team support is getting pounded by a Winston/Reaper dive comp (or something thereby like it, and I use this because a game I was in had this happening), you can ask your team to go Reaper to help with the Winston, thereby taking a dps hero that might be countering something else on the enemy team. Or, you could swap to Moira, Brig, Lucio, or even Mercy (depending on how your team spreads out), and negate their diving you.
    Asking someone to swap when you aren’t willing to yourself comes down to being selfish and isn’t always the best option.
    Last edited by Eapoe; 2020-05-19 at 10:21 AM.

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    Finally did my placements.

    I think they really need to add personal performance impacting your rating gain back into the game and crank it up, by a lot. So many people who are at ratings they really shouldn't be at.

  16. #10716
    It's gotten way more toxic recently than it did before (while it still was pretty toxic). 8/10 games are people telling others to kill themselves or just being racist or otherwise really toxic. I've had couple of cheaters aswell with everyone reporting them but there hasnt been any action taken against anyone. I really doubt that Blizzard is doing anything about any reports these days and just letting everything slide, since this game has so little players anymore

  17. #10717
    Is the matchmaking system still sabotaging me by putting me with useless dps players?

    Yep. I love struggling to get at the rank I should be in, and having bad players who are
    bad at their roles pretty much fucking me every step of the way.

    Truly, this is a fair system.
    Last edited by ThatsOurEric; 2020-05-24 at 06:19 AM.

  18. #10718
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    So, i recently came back to the game and did my placements.

    And yep, people are still as moronic as usual:

    People overextending left and right
    Diving in without back-up then complain "WHy MeRCy nO hEAl!ß!?!?1ß1!?"
    When clearly someone specific on the enemy team is causing us to get fucked over no one tries to counter them
    Everyone is insanely stubborn about their picks
    Getting completely ignored by your healers even tho you are RIGHT NEXT TO THEM AND ARE PINGING FOR HEALS LIKE A MADMAN
    People keep rushing in and getting picked off one by one then complain that nobody does anything

    Now i remember why i stopped playing comp early on...
    Got placed low-low gold on both damage and healing, which makes sense for my current skill-lvl as i just picked the game back up.

    Thing is, i'm a healer main and i can't see myself climbing any higher with solo queuing which is quite frustrating as i don't have anyone else to play with.

    Edit: Did i say low gold? oh haha nvm.
    I'm now 12 points into silver because someone decided it was a good idea to leave a winnable game.
    Last edited by Arafal; 2020-05-24 at 10:14 PM.

  19. #10719
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    So, i recently came back to the game and did my placements.

    And yep, people are still as moronic as usual:

    People overextending left and right
    Diving in without back-up then complain "WHy MeRCy nO hEAl!ß!?!?1ß1!?"
    When clearly someone specific on the enemy team is causing us to get fucked over no one tries to counter them
    Everyone is insanely stubborn about their picks
    Getting completely ignored by your healers even tho you are RIGHT NEXT TO THEM AND ARE PINGING FOR HEALS LIKE A MADMAN
    People keep rushing in and getting picked off one by one then complain that nobody does anything

    Now i remember why i stopped playing comp early on...
    Got placed low-low gold on both damage and healing, which makes sense for my current skill-lvl as i just picked the game back up.

    Thing is, i'm a healer main and i can't see myself climbing any higher with solo queuing which is quite frustrating as i don't have anyone else to play with.

    Edit: Did i say low gold? oh haha nvm.
    I'm now 12 points into silver because someone decided it was a good idea to leave a winnable game.
    Just a few counter points to think about:
    During the overextending, did your team have the advantage? Was it a 6v3 after having just taken out some people? I’ve had people in my games complain we overextended just to be proven their complaints were invalid as we took advantage of the enemy having staggered spawns and not playing grouped.
    When your teammate dived people how many were there? A Winston diving into, say, a Sym and McCree combo (just an example) with a Mercy assisting him are going to come out the winners, yet he/she will probably die if alone.
    Who on the enemy team is countering who? I’ve had games where people complain there is a Widow single handedly holding our entire team off while I play Support and I’m noticing it’s in fact the fully charged Zarya sitting in their faces destroying their health while Widow just gets the killing blow on a body shot.
    People being stubborn is a real issue, but at the same time can be combated by just changing yourself up. I’ve had games where our Support blame everyone on the team for not helping them with the Winston diving them when all they have to do is swap to a different support role. I’ve had tanks complain about snipers when one, or even both, could swap to a dive tank to help chase her off, where I then offer to go Ana or Bap as long as Rein keeps his shield up for me to shoot at her.
    Sometimes your healers are healing other people. I’m not saying always, but I’ve had Tracers, Genjis, Reapers, and all the others spam and yell at me for not healing them while I’m in the middle of spamming the ever loving shit out of my Rein and other teammates engaged with the enemy, all the while a health pack sits less than a 5-10 second run away (one of my personal favorite scenarios since people always seem to forget those exist).
    Rushing in 1 at a time does happen, and unfortunately doesn’t seem to stop no matter how much you type it out or say something in voice comms.

    A lot of the problems you explained can be assisted thru some simple communication. Others can be solved simply by changing yourself up. As selfish as it sounds, most progress is made by just doing what’s best for you. Most problems you are having can also be solved by you. If your team is suffering, you can try to swap to help them, or you can be just as stubborn and stay what you’re doing while telling them to change (my latest policy).

  20. #10720
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    Havent played a dps/offesnive hero in so long, since grouping system the fastest way to play is queuing for tank, even healers takers ages. If I feel like playing a dps hero be prepared for a 10 - 15 minute wait per game. then on the odd chances I get to join I join in the last 20 seconds of a losing game because someone one pulled out only to then have to wait for another game

    Although I have gotten really good at some tank heroes now. :P
    Last edited by Orby; 2020-05-26 at 08:43 PM.

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