1. #8961
    So the new arrow for Hanzo will fire 6 shots in 2 seconds and have an 8 second cooldown (8+2=10), 80 damage for a normal hit and 160 for a crit which if all your shots hit you do 480 dog and all crusts is 960 damage.

    Personally I would like to see this ability wreck shields, hanzo feels good sexless when it takes you as long to tear down an right as shield as it takes Orissa to put a new one out which means you do nothing while she continues to fire protected and unhindered.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

  2. #8962
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Personally I would like to see this ability wreck shields, hanzo feels good sexless when it takes you as long to tear down an right as shield as it takes Orissa to put a new one out which means you do nothing while she continues to fire protected and unhindered.
    Absolutely not. Hanzo is already dumb enough with his tree sized arrows. He should not ever be able to bring down a shield solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    Absolutely not. Hanzo is already dumb enough with his tree sized arrows. He should not ever be able to bring down a shield solo.
    He is barely played in comp and when brigette hits comp you get 3 shields and massive armor on a team. The armor and barrier meta will be in and you are going to wish there was one character you can rely on that can bring down shields.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Kinda sucks that people have such a problem with scatter arrow and they haven't even made the conclusion that Jakerat has unlimited scatter arrows all day by spamming left click around corners. Now he's basically the only dps that can attack that way. Not really a good place to be in tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    He is barely played in comp and when brigette hits comp you get 3 shields and massive armor on a team. The armor and barrier meta will be in and you are going to wish there was one character you can rely on that can bring down shields.
    First, Brig's barrier is not that great if you're talking about shields being helpful. 600 hp, it melts in seconds and doesn't cover anyone else and you can get around it quite easily and probably scatter around it. Second, reaper is the tank handling hero and doomfist ignores shields and obliterates Brig. Third, there are a lot of people who are barely played in comp, that doesn't mean making Hanzo even more annoying than he already is a good reason. Why on earth would an arrow make sense to be effective against a shield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Kinda sucks that people have such a problem with scatter arrow and they haven't even made the conclusion that Jakerat has unlimited scatter arrows all day by spamming left click around corners. Now he's basically the only dps that can attack that way. Not really a good place to be in tbh.
    Because scatter is all people see. I've seen so many hanzo's who can't get a kill to save there life outside of no skill rofl I scatter the floor under your feet and you die even at 250 hp. And while getting killed by a Hanzo from across the map because his arrow will headshot even 10 feet to your right is annoying, scatter is a million times worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    He is barely played in comp and when brigette hits comp you get 3 shields and massive armor on a team. The armor and barrier meta will be in and you are going to wish there was one character you can rely on that can bring down shields.
    I see him either on the enemy team, my team or both in like 1/3rd of the games. He can oneshot orisa with his scatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Kinda sucks that people have such a problem with scatter arrow and they haven't even made the conclusion that Jakerat has unlimited scatter arrows all day by spamming left click around corners. Now he's basically the only dps that can attack that way. Not really a good place to be in tbh.
    Junkrats balls does 120 damage, they don't oneshot anyone, especially not tanks like scatter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    Junkrats balls does 120 damage, they don't oneshot anyone, especially not tanks like scatter.
    They don't have to, in the same time Hanzo can scatter (10 seconds) Junkrat has already killed your whole team from RNG homing grenades that bounce around just like scatter. RNGrat. It's actually worse, which was the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Kinda sucks that people have such a problem with scatter arrow and they haven't even made the conclusion that Jakerat has unlimited scatter arrows all day by spamming left click around corners. Now he's basically the only dps that can attack that way. Not really a good place to be in tbh.
    This game has been going downhill ever since he got buffed lol people just stopped complaining about it because it's the same old song and dance with blizzard. imagine beta testing mists of pandaria and telling developers something with your class is retard levels of broken so you don't get nerfed to worth fuck all in the middle of the season and they ignore the bitching about it for 3 months, the broken shit goes live at launch and gets nerfed 2 weeks later.

    true story

    Giving feedback to blizzard is useless unless you are going to do it by keeping your wallet closed and uninstalling the game or unless you, your mom and all your friends and what feels like half the fucking country are bitching about it on reddit. These people speak in dollarnese knee jerk, they couldn't find the point of a pencil if it was jammed in their eye much less balance it on the tip of their finger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    Junkrats balls does 120 damage, they don't oneshot anyone, especially not tanks like scatter.
    discord + boost + grenade = 192 damage
    discord or boost + grenade = 156 damage

    1 shot almost never literally means 1 shot but despite being an exaggeration is not really that exaggerated.

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    Junk rat is different in that he can’t hit you from across the map. You have to be midrange to get him and his mines won’t kill you in one shot unless you were already missing health and it’s damage is dependent on how far from it you are. Scatter arrow has unlimited range and I once made a mercy quit comp because every time she came out of spawn I scatter arrowed her.

    Junkrat would require a combo of regular fire and several mines to kill a tank, Hanzo can do it in one shot from any range and it is so no skill a Hanzo noob can literally never land a regular shot and still hold his own just by one shotting someone’s feet every 8 seconds. God forbid you run into a Hanzo with real skill.

    The scatter arrow was not intended to be used this wat, it was suppose to punish people around corners and in tight hall ways.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God King Rastakhan View Post
    For the last 10-15 games I've lost every single one because every. Single. Fucking. Matchup I get placed with sub lvl 100's, whereas my opposing team is always at least two level 500+ and the rest is 200/300. HOW THE FUCK is this balanced!?

    I've lost over 300 points and I've gone down a rank, why is this even possible?
    Matchmaking is based on SR, not level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Kinda sucks that people have such a problem with scatter arrow and they haven't even made the conclusion that Jakerat has unlimited scatter arrows all day by spamming left click around corners. Now he's basically the only dps that can attack that way. Not really a good place to be in tbh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    They don't have to, in the same time Hanzo can scatter (10 seconds) Junkrat has already killed your whole team from RNG homing grenades that bounce around just like scatter. RNGrat. It's actually worse, which was the point.
    1> Scatter is deemed an issue not because of random arrows flying everywhere, but because you can shoot the ground in front of someone, and all the shards bounce up and hit them in the chest/head. The shards do up to 450 damage. Even hitting with half will one-shot a DPS or healer. They can also erase tanks.

    2> Junkrat's grenades have longer travel time and bigger arcs, and only hit for 120 damage each. If you're running into his mess of bombs, you were asking for it. There's no warning from an incoming Scatter.

    3> Junkrat is an area-denial guy. Spamming grenades around a corner means you should take another route and shiv him in the flank.

    I have serious issues with Hanzo's design because easily 50% of my deaths to Hanzo feel unfair. It's either a scatter that one-shots with poor aim, or it's the random arrow fired at empty space that magically headshots me while I had no prior warning. It's the combination of lack of skill with the lack of warning that's the issue; a Widowmaker headshotting you doesn't "feel" as bad because she had to track you and shoot you directly, not launch and pray. Junkrat launches and prays, but his bombs are big glowy bouncy balls, and if you're running into that, you knew what was coming. There's probably not much they'll do about the random Hanzo spam arrows, though adding a better visual or sound effect to show there's incoming fire would help (as there is for, say, Soldier 76 spamming shots at a doorway). But Scatter needs some rework, since it was designed as an AoE tool to catch people hiding in rooms, and it's being used as a one-shot tool.

    I have no idea what their rework ideas are, or how deep they're going, but assuming he keeps the same abilities, increasing arrow flight speed significantly and changing Scatter to only hit a given target once or twice would be a big help. Increasing arrow flight speed A> makes it easier for Hanzo to fight at a distance with good aim, and B> means it's WAY less likely he'll spam a corner and hope your head shows up before the arrow gets there.

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    Have not played in two months+, gave it a few games. If the game had launched like this I would have tried to return it. Moira is game breaking bad, what a horrible idea for a character. Just wildly toss orbs about and auto locks. RIP overwatch It was a good run.
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    First placement match:
    Duo that takes Sym+Torb on Numbani attack. I pick Mercy and they tell me to give it to another player because he is a Mercy one trick pony. I change and then they "correct" themselves and says "she", because all Mercy one tricks are female.

    Then they go to /game chat and ask everyone what they think about black people, and the player they said was a Mercy one trick said s/he had them last game also and that both teams reported them.

    The game starts and we stand no chance of course. Not the best picks and already a toxic environment is just setting up for the team to fail. They nag about how they have gold elims and the Sym places her teleported so the rest of us immediately drops off the map(why is this still a thing - just prevent people from placing the teleports close to edges of the maps?).

    Now I don't feel like doing the rest of the placements incase I get them again. Losing the match is one thing, but it's kinda hard to play well(since it's about individual skill also) when you're outnumbered and... toxified.
    It's so sad, because the punishment(from reporting) won't be enough, I'm sure.

    Also: fun premade to play with. Not.
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    So many of these games lately: Winston/DVa as the tanks, neither goes for the Widow hanging by herself with no help unless she drops into a team fight. Moira's refusing to heal, even when they are the only support.
    So many games I'm getting teams with 3 damage players who lose elims/damage done to a Zen (who usually has gold healing, not like the player is focusing damage).
    I also just had someone tell me I'm a hard carry as Zarya even though I had gold everything (minus healing) on a game we lost. Do people even know how to insult others anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    I also just had someone tell me I'm a hard carry as Zarya even though I had gold everything (minus healing) on a game we lost. Do people even know how to insult others anymore?
    Are you sure it was an insult? They might have meant you carried hard (despite the loss) rather than that you were hard to carry.

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    The amount of salt in this thread will sustain me for months.

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    Bouncing pretty hard between 2700 and 2950 - as soon as I get matched against a few diamonds the game seems to just get too hard. I'm not quite sure why, I just get focussed harder (Maining D.va atm - I get de-meched so easy at times), my ults are less impactful and any damage I do seems to get shrugged off easily. But, after dropping down for a few matches, once everyone is plat again, I feel like I dominate. I guess there's just a skill barrier between plat/diamond that I'm just not at yet?

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    If this game had a subscription I definately wouldnt pay for it, ranked needs a complete overhaul, the win/loss system is archaic and doesnt contribute towards a fun competitive experience.

    Im passionately sick of losing games because of the toxic community, its worse than League of Legends in its height, Ive kept a little log of my latest gaming streak, and Im of the opinion that without 3rd party cheating software, theres almost nothing you can do to win in situations where other players simply dont want to play the game.

    So many modes in this game are borderline unplayable that Im genuinely considering finding a new FPS.

    Quick Play is a complete joke from start to finish, you dont learn anything, you cant practise anything and nothing is gained from the experience. The games are almost always sweeps, and generally consist of 6 dps teams or just people "testing" things.

    Solo Queue Competitive itself is very much a dice roll, losing one player to tilting, afk, or trolling is enough to ensure a loss. Additionally considering so many people are likely ranked incorrectly, you have no idea of the measure of player you get in every game, the rating system does nothing to indicate who you need to support in your team. Additionally for some bizzare reason theres no role queuing, so you can sometimes get 3 Mercy mains in one team or a handful of snipers, meaning you're at a complete disadvantage through no fault of your own.

    Theres so little control in the players hand that being good simply isnt enough, you have to invest ludicrous amounts of time into this game in order to see any progress whatsoever, or just cheat the ranked system into giving you SR. Its so broken right now Im honestly at a loss for words, Im loving the eSports scene thats coming about through OWL, but the state of the game for me, is as dire as its ever been.

    My current strategy to be able to play this game the way the developers intended, is to completely shut down the idea of engaging within the community, and just playing very seldom with a premade, stacking is the only thing that makes this game shine in a positive light for me, and thats truly sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twen View Post
    Are you sure it was an insult? They might have meant you carried hard (despite the loss) rather than that you were hard to carry.
    No, it was definitely meant as an insult. The person and I had exhanged words during the match because at 1 point I asked Widow to swap because she wasn't getting any picks against the enemy team, and I also asked Ana to switch because the enemy had Winston and DVa and when they dived on our tanks they would have Matrix or Winston's shield going and Ana would do no healing.
    Both times I stated that I'm not insulting them or saying they are bad players, but the picks are bad against the enemy comp. I even offered to swap roles if they weren't comfortable on another damage or support character.
    The person who tried to insult me later made comments about how I complained the whole game, blaming either the damage or the support for why the enemy was pushing the cart. I never blamed them, just pointed out their picks weren't working at that point as the enemy picked to counter some of our team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    My current strategy to be able to play this game the way the developers intended, is to completely shut down the idea of engaging within the community, and just playing very seldom with a premade, stacking is the only thing that makes this game shine in a positive light for me, and thats truly sad.
    Premade is blatantly what the game is built for, despite how small an audience actually want to participate in it. Hell even other players on the forums have no answer other than to find a full team to shackle yourself to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    Premade is blatantly what the game is built for, despite how small an audience actually want to participate in it. Hell even other players on the forums have no answer other than to find a full team to shackle yourself to.
    I mean the first handful of seasons upto 4 at least were incredibly fun and engaging, I was encountering such a high quality of player, communicative, flexible people.

    Now its a total shitshow at the best of times, I find myself mentally coaching people every game so they dont tilt, its exhausting, I want to play a game not be a bloody shrink.

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