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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    There were literally like 4 comp groups on it when I took a look last night. I know it's useless. But in many ways, its uselessness simply defines how much people really care about having a role queue.
    Do you know why the LFG tool is not so popular? Because people don't want to team up with completely random people. I don't want to group with people I don't know irl or haven't talked to extensively on other platforms. I'd rather play solo. Its lack of popularity has absolutely nothing to do with the desire for role queues.

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    Another day of being unable to climb due to incompetents who don't know how to counterplay,
    or deal with Bunker. Dealt with another smurf, and that was not fun, nor even remotely
    close to being fair. Hope this player gets perma-banned after my report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    I think you need to check what cheating actually is, because playing on a new account isn't cheating.
    It is absolutely cheating.

    If you want to main a different role, you'd do so on your main account. Nothing is stopping you after all.
    If you have a higher degree of skill and you're purposely playing against those who don't, you have the
    unfair advantage, thus cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    Do you know why the LFG tool is not so popular? Because people don't want to team up with completely random people. I don't want to group with people I don't know irl or haven't talked to extensively on other platforms. I'd rather play solo. Its lack of popularity has absolutely nothing to do with the desire for role queues.
    Do you know why world pvp died when BGs were added? Because it turns out that for match based pvp people don't really care who they're grouped up with, as long as they can blame someone else for every loss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Nah nah, see... I live by one simple creed: You might catch more flies with honey, but to catch honeys you gotta be fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    It is absolutely cheating.
    No, it really isn't. Cheating is aimbots, wallhacks and such things. Not playing a new account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    No, it really isn't. Cheating is aimbots, wallhacks and such things. Not playing a new account.
    Jinro is correct. As Jeff states,

    "Starting a new account is not against the rules. Boosting or throwing is against the rules.

    If you start a new account and play normally, the matchmaker determines your skill level very quickly and matches you with similar players."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    No, it really isn't. Cheating is aimbots, wallhacks and such things. Not playing a new account.
    You already have an established account. If you wanted to "main" a new role or character, you can easily do
    so on the one you already have.

    But since you don't want to negatively impact that account, you make a substitute account, and become
    one of the worst types of players, the smurf, as well as the instalock who doesn't switch heroes. Why?
    Because since this is a dummy account, you don't really care if you lose or can't do anything against a
    comp. You're just using it as practice for that hero.

    Which means you end up costing your team games, because you will in some cases, get hard countered,
    and since you won't switch, your team is now handicapped, and will in most cases, lose. Which would be
    YOUR fault. But again, what do you care, this isn't your main account.

    And in some cases where you aren't getting decimated by those who hard counter you, your higher level
    of skill compared to the rest of the group gives your team an unfair advantage because your level of skill
    is much higher than the established rank. So already the playing field is uneven, which yes, makes it unfair,
    and since you are the cause, that makes you the cheater. So yes, it is cheating.

    I only hope you get reported enough to get perma-banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greylan View Post
    If you start a new account and play normally, the matchmaker determines your skill level very quickly and matches you with similar players."
    That is absolutely untrue.

    Posters on here, as well as some pro players have tested this, and found that new accounts are created
    so that players can get new higher ranks in other accounts. So if you're hard locked in one rank due to
    the shittiness of the system, you can simply make a new account and somehow get ranked either higher
    or lower (it seems that it's higher for a lot of other players).

    And I've had games where I've encountered the same smurf multiple times at low ranks. Even despite
    completely decimating the enemy team, they don't get a massive spike and suddenly go Diamond if they
    destroy a team of Bronzes.

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    I could accurately rate my performance on every hero in this game.

    So if I make an account and place diamond, only playing the heroes where my performance of those heroes belongs, you believe this is cheating?
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    You know I don't swap to my good heroes in a low rank game unless I need to counter another smurf. My teams are usually grateful.

    I'm just loling thinking of how fucked it would be if I rolled into a GM game and picked reinhardt, which combined with lack of hero related gamesense and next to no practice would just be throwing.
    Last edited by Thirza; 2019-07-12 at 09:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    Some REEing about cheating.
    So, you'd rather someone played an off-hero on their main account, upsetting all their teammates because they're performing far below their current SR until they drop a bunch and eventually stabilize, than make a new account and upset literally no one?

    Good talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    I could accurately rate my performance on every hero in this game.

    So if I make an account and place diamond, only playing the heroes where my performance of those heroes belongs, you believe this is cheating?
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    You know I don't swap to my good heroes in a low rank game unless I need to counter another smurf. My teams are usually grateful.

    I'm just loling thinking of how fucked it would be if I rolled into a GM game and picked reinhardt, which combined with lack of hero related gamesense and next to no practice would just be throwing.
    I think ThatsOurEric might actually be a satirical caricature rather than a real human being, y'know, like Ali-G. I think we've been trolled this entire time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    I think ThatsOurEric might actually be a satirical caricature rather than a real human being, y'know, like Ali-G. I think we've been trolled this entire time.
    The frequency at which I encounter his attitude in the actual game leads me to believe otherwise, it is echoed by a bunch of others in this very thread as well.

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    Started to win alot, got 2670 SR. Suddenly, got into horrid teams with bad comps and people being very toxic and I fell down to 2412 SR.

    I mostly solo queue and lately I have joined alot of teams with a premade in it, most often a duo. These duos instalock into dps(widow, hanzo, genji) and the toxic shitthrowing already begins when selecting heroes.

    I am a team player and I change accordingly to what the team needs. I play every tank besides Zarya(can if I MUST) and every healer too. If I get to DPS, great. If not, thats allright.

    Sadly, this idea of building team comps and then CHANGE hero on the go to counter the enemy team comes very hard for alot of people. So what if the enemy team got 3 counters for Phara? gonna roll with her anyway and scream "I NEED HEALING"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    The frequency at which I encounter his attitude in the actual game leads me to believe otherwise, it is echoed by a bunch of others in this very thread as well.
    I didn't ask for rational or logical arguments, I was trying to make a point, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    You already have an established account. If you wanted to "main" a new role or character, you can easily do
    so on the one you already have.
    Lose rating, have people flame me for throwing? No, thanks. I'll play my other account.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric View Post
    I only hope you get reported enough to get perma-banned.
    Lmao, that won't happen. Playing a new account and only one character isn't something you can report people for.

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    Guess my skill-level or whatever was risen because lately seems I'm facing some tough opposition. When they stomp over my team it's.. not nice. But sometimes I get to play extremely satisfying games, where everyone, on both sides, feels like a badass fighting to win.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    Lose rating, have people flame me for throwing? No, thanks. I'll play my other account.


    Lmao, that won't happen. Playing a new account and only one character isn't something you can report people for.
    In all fairness, people have been reported for 1 tricking. From what I’ve seen about it, people spin it that it is griefing or poor team play because you won’t switch to help the team. Haven’t seen this come up for a long ass time, so maybe a nonissue or it was shown to be false, but I do remember people posting about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    In all fairness, people have been reported for 1 tricking. From what I’ve seen about it, people spin it that it is griefing or poor team play because you won’t switch to help the team. Haven’t seen this come up for a long ass time, so maybe a nonissue or it was shown to be false, but I do remember people posting about it.
    Forcing your team to lose and forcing your team to put up with your pick are two quite different things.

  16. #10296
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharadin View Post
    Forcing your team to lose and forcing your team to put up with your pick are two quite different things.
    Yet 1 can argue they are the same thing. Matter of fact many people have, hence why some people claim to have gotten suspensions for 1 tricking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Yet 1 can argue they are the same thing. Matter of fact many people have, hence why some people claim to have gotten suspensions for 1 tricking.
    Afaik the devs clarified that one-tricking in itself is not punishable and turned out that some one-tricks who were indeed suspended and made noise about it actually got slammed because they had been toxic asses. But this was a while ago and I cba to try and find those pieces, so believe it or not.
    Last edited by Twen; 2019-07-12 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twen View Post
    Afaik the devs clarified that one-tricking in itself is not punishable and turned out that some one-tricks who were indeed suspended and made noise about it actually got slammed because they had been toxic asses. But this was a while ago and I cba to try and find those pieces, so believe it or not.
    Right. I also alluded to this because it was so long ago and I don’t remember the specifics. I do remember it lasted many pages on this forum (maybe another) and I realized in reading them all that most people either wittingly or unwittingly agreed that 1 tricking is reportable and have done so, albeit from getting confused about definitions and such.
    Just pointing out to Jinro and others that someone may get reported for 1 tricking, even if not done in the most accurate way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    In all fairness, people have been reported for 1 tricking. From what I’ve seen about it, people spin it that it is griefing or poor team play because you won’t switch to help the team. Haven’t seen this come up for a long ass time, so maybe a nonissue or it was shown to be false, but I do remember people posting about it.
    I can report someone for abusive chat even if they don't say anything. Doesn't mean it's a legitimate report that will stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    I can report someone for abusive chat even if they don't say anything. Doesn't mean it's a legitimate report that will stick.
    Without evidence you are correct; however, it is much easier to spin poor teamwork/griefing if asked to switch to help the team or from being hard countered and refusing to do so.
    Much like someone says something as light as “you need to work on your aim more” is opening themselves up for abusive chat reports.
    Before you misunderstand me, I’m not stating I agree with any of this, I’m just stating it is possible.

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