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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib Lover View Post
    Race has nothing to do with this :/
    How would you know that?

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  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrianth View Post
    That's exactly what he said. Whether that's what he meant or not is besides the point. You're assuming that's not what he mean, but based off of what? Do you know the guy personally? If he didn't mean it then he should've put a bit more thought into the letter because as of right now that's exactly what he said.
    ac·tion
    ˈakSH(ə)n/
    noun
    1.
    the fact or process of doing something, typically to achieve an aim.
    "he vowed to take tougher action against persistent offenders"
    synonyms: measures, steps, activity, movement, work, operation
    "the need for local community action"
    2.
    a thing done; an act.
    "she frequently questioned his actions"

    synonyms: deed, act, move, undertaking, exploit, maneuver, endeavor, effort, exertion;

    You are assuming that action = sex, which as a slang term, it can be. I'm not on his side, both he and his son are scumbags which every other sentence in his letter confirms, but it's pretty obvious that is not the definition of the word he meant.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    I'm wondering what people think the sentence for what seems to be a non violent rape should be, I would hope most would agree that the "Kidnapping a midnight jogger and raping her at gunpoint" probably deserves the MOST severe sentence, this would seem to be as far on the other end of the spectrum as possible.

    Why the fuck would it be? It's pretty close to that scenario. This guy dragged a barely conscious woman away from the party, behind a dumpster, she got blood, bruises and dirt all over her, including her vagina, and from what I understand he didn't only finger her, but inserted objects into her.

    And consider this: he was caught doings this, by two strangers, upon which he ran away but was caught. Which means we have NO IDEA how far this might have gone. He may as well raped her with his penis as well, or with a broken bottle, or killed her. Who the fuck knows?

    All this behind a dumpster, where he dragged her, so that her own sister (who was searching for her) couldn't find her.


    This is definitely a very violent rape, and considering it got stopped in-between, could have gone even worse.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Fojos View Post
    Depends on where he claims he's from. Here we're not allowed to send people back if they might be in any "danger". Of course there is welfare, even illegal immigrants receive free healthcare and schooling here.
    He has to prove that he is from a country where he would be in danger. Translators would ripp holes in his constructs of lies and he would get into jail again . And then get deported, not worth it.

    You get no welfare if you life in the wilds without official existing . Thats what I meant with illegal. You can get welfare as a illegal immigrant if you get tolerated = you are qued for deportation but we are not allowed to do it because your life is at risk.

    Dont know how well US fingerprint data is linked to data here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    Lawl, no. Minimum should be 10 years for it and then death penalty as the maximum.
    Never go full retard. Though it seems to be your M.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrianth View Post
    That's exactly what he said. Whether that's what he meant or not is besides the point. You're assuming that's not what he mean, but based off of what? Do you know the guy personally? If he didn't mean it then he should've put a bit more thought into the letter because as of right now that's exactly what he said.
    My hope for humanity in general makes me assume that he meant "action" as in "doing something" - as in he did something that took 20 minutes and it he doesn't think it should ruin his life. An understandable reaction from a father. Still wrong tho. A murder can take half a second and should definitely ruin the murderer's life as punishment.

    The way he wrote it seems to mean that "action" is equivalent to "gettin' sum" which would make the father a scummy scum scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bantokar View Post
    Never go full retard. Though it seems to be your M.O
    Punishing criminals isn't "going full retard". The penalty should be proportionate to the crime. There are no extenuating circumstances for rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Universities making administrative decisions is not in any way a "kangaroo court", nor is that punishment "almost equal to being forced to register as a sex offender".

    And all of that's just an attempt to derail from the actual point, here, which is that a rapist got off way too lightly.
    university records are as open as a criminal record and do you think it makes a dam to an employer if you was convicted of being sex offender from a university kangaroo court or a court of law? the impression the employer will have and the consequences are the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    university records are as open as a criminal record
    No. They are in fact not open to the public.

    and do you think it makes a dam to an employer if you was convicted of being sex offender from a university kangaroo court or a court of law? the impression the employer will have and the consequences are the same
    See above. Please, for the love all that is holy, learn stuff before you post. The world will be a better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    university records are as open as a criminal record and do you think it makes a dam to an employer if you was convicted of being sex offender from a university kangaroo court or a court of law? the impression the employer will have and the consequences are the same
    You're still derailing. But yes, they're completely different, and the sex offender registry requires a whole hell of a lot of things that an expulsion from a university would not. Trying to equate the two is completely ridiculous. And no, university records are not open to the public.

    Regardless, we're talking about an actual criminal case, here, so none of that's even relevant.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    My hope for humanity in general makes me assume that he meant "action" as in "doing something" - as in he did something that took 20 minutes and it he doesn't think it should ruin his life. An understandable reaction from a father. Still wrong tho. A murder can take half a second and should definitely ruin the murderer's life as punishment.

    The way he wrote it seems to mean that "action" is equivalent to "gettin' sum" which would make the father a scummy scum scum.
    Give the boy 20 years for 20 minutes, and the father 10 for apologizing and harboring a felon. Problem solved. Should teach them both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by cam5778 View Post
    Anyone else been following this case? I think jail time isn't going to matter. This kid's life is over, as it should be. He has lost his scholarship and all his hard work with his success in swim competition. Worse, he is now a registered sex offender, which means he's screwed in the job market and where he can live. I wonder if people consider jail time for this kid is just as bad as his reality outside of jail.

    Not to say it's the victim's fault, but it should be hard lesson for girl's these days to be prepared. We can't control the people who carry out these crimes, but this definitely could have been prevented. In this poor girl's case, she was 3 times passed the legal limit. When I was in college (2 years ago), I had a lot of friends that were women. I never cockblocked them, but I could tell when guys were getting too close. I would wrap my arm around one of them and it would be an instant end from there.

    To me, college rape cases shouldn't happen if people were smart about going out and partying. Again, I'm not implying the victim is responsible and had it coming, but if she was prepared, it might have not happened. Maybe we need to grow out of the idea "it can't happen to me."
    It is victim blaming. You're saying they don't do enough or should be a certain way or should never leave home without a man to put his arm around her to claim her. You're saying they are too attractive or vulnerable. You're no hero. Why not curfews and chastity belts?

    Are you saying it's ok to get a short trivial sentence because blah blah scholarship and job markets? .......The same stuff vast numbers of mediocre people contend with despite not being registered sex offenders.

    Edit: The onus to control behaviour should be on rapists, not women. It's rapists who should take precautions like drinking less.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by cam5778 View Post
    Anyone else been following this case? I think jail time isn't going to matter. This kid's life is over, as it should be. He has lost his scholarship and all his hard work with his success in swim competition. Worse, he is now a registered sex offender, which means he's screwed in the job market and where he can live. I wonder if people consider jail time for this kid is just as bad as his reality outside of jail.

    Not to say it's the victim's fault, but it should be hard lesson for girl's these days to be prepared. We can't control the people who carry out these crimes, but this definitely could have been prevented. In this poor girl's case, she was 3 times passed the legal limit. When I was in college (2 years ago), I had a lot of friends that were women. I never cockblocked them, but I could tell when guys were getting too close. I would wrap my arm around one of them and it would be an instant end from there.

    To me, college rape cases shouldn't happen if people were smart about going out and partying. Again, I'm not implying the victim is responsible and had it coming, but if she was prepared, it might have not happened. Maybe we need to grow out of the idea "it can't happen to me."
    wtf are you feeling soory for the creeper ? he attmepted to rape drunk girl and got pusnished for it - justice got served. if the girl is intoxicated or nearly unconsius you keep your d..k in your pants and dont molest her its that simple.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I don't think anyone's ignoring that. The point is that registration as a sex offender isn't based on the severity of the crime, but the nature of it. The punishment is supposed to be the jail sentence, which in this case is shockingly light, given the nature of his crimes.

    I find the whole thing especially galling because every news source keeps referring to this shithead as a "Stanford swimmer". His athleticism is completely fucking irrelevant. I don't care if he was going to win an Olympic gold medal and set new world records; he's a rapist, and that's that. There's no reason to bring it up, other than to try and say that maybe he's not such a bad guy, because hey, he can swim real good.
    Well for the media and the viewing public, who you are or what you do is more important than the crime you commit. If you're an athlete, teacher, cop, politician, fire fighter etc your crime will get more clicks than a more serious offense by a nobody. Not saying this isn't a serious offense but you get the idea. A simple article about a sexual assault isnt going to get the same attention as one involving a prestigious university and star athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You're still derailing. But yes, they're completely different, and the sex offender registry requires a whole hell of a lot of things that an expulsion from a university would not. Trying to equate the two is completely ridiculous. And no, university records are not open to the public.

    Regardless, we're talking about an actual criminal case, here, so none of that's even relevant.
    let me put it another way
    if you believe how universities operate their kangaroo court and the absurdly low burden proof is fair and just then you most also believe Bill Clinton is guilty of rape
    do you believe Bill Clinton is guilty of rape?

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    6 months is far too short for a rapist, doesn't matter if his "life" is over outside of prison you do the crime you do the time. Everything else that follows once you get out was your own fault and I'm not gonna have any sympathy for a rapists social life outside of prison. But whatever 6 months it is, so long as he serves that whole time I'll be content none of his early release shit for "good behavior".

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    I'm wondering what people think the sentence for what seems to be a non violent rape should be, I would hope most would agree that the "Kidnapping a midnight jogger and raping her at gunpoint" probably deserves the MOST severe sentence, this would seem to be as far on the other end of the spectrum as possible.
    "Kidnapping a midnight jogger and raping her at gunpoint" includes several felonies, all of which would impact sentencing. Before you even get to charges of rape and sexual assault, of which there could be several individual charges depending on what the assailant did to the victim, you have (a) aggravated kidnapping, (b) false imprisonment, (c) assault, (d) assault with a deadly weapon, and (e) use or threatening display of a firearm in the commission of a felony. And the assailant can be charged with multiple counts of these felonies depending upon how the events of the crime unfolded.

    And again, this is before you even get to sexual assault and/or rape charges. In California, where Stanford University is located, aggravated kidnapping alone carries a minimum sentence of five years. Throw in multiple assault, ADW and rape/sexual assault convictions and a person is looking at decades in prison.

    The point of all this is that a person who "kidnaps a midnight jogger and rapes her at gunpoint" isn't just going to jail for the crime of rape. And that, actually, the crime of rape is not going to constitute the bulk of the charges that create his sentence.

    Turner was found guilty of three charges: (1) assault with attempt to rape, (2) sexual penetration of an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and (3) sexual penetration of an unconscious person with a foreign object. The question is whether or not six months in the county lockup, three years of probation, and mandatory participation in a sex offender rehabilitation program is an appropriate sentence for those crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I don't think anyone's ignoring that. The point is that registration as a sex offender isn't based on the severity of the crime, but the nature of it. The punishment is supposed to be the jail sentence, which in this case is shockingly light, given the nature of his crimes.

    I find the whole thing especially galling because every news source keeps referring to this shithead as a "Stanford swimmer". His athleticism is completely fucking irrelevant. I don't care if he was going to win an Olympic gold medal and set new world records; he's a rapist, and that's that. There's no reason to bring it up, other than to try and say that maybe he's not such a bad guy, because hey, he can swim real good.
    The sex offender registration is a punishment exactly the same as a jail sentence. The goal is theoretically the same - to keep him away from potential victims and deter others from committing the same crime.

    There are two reasons for incarceration if your goal is to make society better:

    1. The person is irredeemable and needs to be kept away from normal people.
    2. As a deterrent to future criminals.

    In this case I think the punishment he received is a clear deterrent... his bright future is totally gone, everyone who sees the case is not thinking, hell, I'll only get 6 months and be a sex offender forever, who cares let's do this! So the deterrent threshold is met in my opinion.

    The real question is, is he irredeemable? And that's where you have to try to get a sense of who he is, and where being a Stanford swimmer comes into play in my opinion. He doesn't just happen to "swim real good", he had to work extremely hard at it (and academically as well). I think it means he's less likely to be a sociopath - you don't get to swim at Stanford if you're someone who is incapable of following the rules of society.

    That's also where the drunken freshman factor comes into play for me. And this is all theorizing, but an elite swimmer with Olympic hopes probably had very strict parents - you don't become a good mid distance swimmer without extreme discipline, so there's a chance he never had a drink before college. Then you get to college and alcohol and women are everywhere.

    I was a swimmer in college, I never had a drink before I got there. The first event the team had was in theory supposed to be a "workout", but when we got to the event, there was a keg and alcohol pressed on the freshmen until several threw up. The upperclassmen found it funny (and I did as well the next few years as an upperclassman). So you're a freshman, you're suddenly hammered and have no idea how to handle your liquor, and there's all these hookups happening. And men are taught to initiate these encounters and constantly push the envelope (this is just true; try being a man waiting for a woman to approach you and see how much success you have).

    Again, the standard here is reasonable doubt, so I see it as a drunk freshman who's suddenly learning that some women might like having sex with him, but only if he initiates everything. He makes out with a girl who's blackout drunk, and takes things way too far.

    I think the punishment is too severe, mostly because I don't see a drunk 18 year old thrust into that culture who did a terrible thing as totally irredeemable. It's also because, as others have said, the majority of the punishment happens outside the 6 month jail term, even ignoring the social media hate that's following him around too.

    The registered sex offender and felon status he'll carry with him for the rest of his life means many of the opportunities formerly open to him are closed forever. There's nothing he can do to change his status. As an 18 year old it's illegal for him to go back to his high school and there are large areas where he is prevented from going. Most companies will never hire him due to the "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" screening question. His life is ruined. But people want more.

    It's interesting to me that liberals are quick to talk about how laws in this country are so extreme and how we have an incarceration/recidivism problem, but that sex crimes bring out such bloodlust. I'd hope we could be more forgiving generally. And yes, I'd have no problem with a longer jail sentence (say 1-2 years) if the sex offender status was something that could be forgiven over time for a first offender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    Punishing criminals isn't "going full retard". The penalty should be proportionate to the crime. There are no extenuating circumstances for rape.
    So deathsentence is ok. What a humanitarian you are, well except for being full femitard


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    let me put it another way
    if you believe how universities operate their kangaroo court and the absurdly low burden proof is fair and just then you most also believe Bill Clinton is guilty of rape
    do you believe Bill Clinton is guilty of rape?
    This is just a garbage post in pretty much every way. It doesn't even warrant a response. Next time try participating honestly, rather than with the equivalent of a "when did you stop beating your wife" question. There are no "kangaroo courts", and Clinton never did anything of the sort. You can't just make up bullshit and expect it to fly.

    You're trying to derail a thread about a rape conviction into an argument about university administration and the Clintons. I'm not going to entertain this nonsense any further.
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