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  1. #41
    Because MM is now a caster. No more mobility.

    Better play a fun caster class instead.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    You certainly don't play MM. Because they are punished for moving for more the 3 seconds and then staying still now. Gotta love when people come in and toss in why they think a change is bad having no idea how the class will work or currently works. Talk about adding to the thread.
    I pvp so movement is kind of required. Anyway stop being such an ass fucktard.

    Go ahead and infract me. This guy sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akaihiryuu View Post
    A lot of people just can't handle change.
    I love change. Hence my accepting Survival-melee with open arms and enjoying it quite a bit.

    BM spec on the other hand, I feel it is a big swing-and-a-miss. Too much emphasis on random creatures, not enough control over focus regen (along with a pretty half-assed explanation as to why) and we get this new Artifact wolf shoved down our throats as our 2nd active pet when I'd prefer one of MY pets. Stampede is ruined (seriously, they may as well delete it), Cobra shot feels awful as an instant and sounds like a wet towel flopping around, we lost a ton of utility like traps, the single-target rotation has almost no depth and the talents which could improve that cannibalize each other (Dire Frenzy competing with Chimera Shot as an example). Oh, and one of the most iconic things about BM - the big red pet when under Bestial Wrath's effect - is now a big orange glow-in-the-dark target. Go figure.

    Go to the alpha/beta forums, the BM feedback has been overwhelmingly negative for a reason.

    Its Blizzard's game and they've every right to make it the way they want, but I won't be playing BM in Legion. And that's a shame because its been my preferred hunter spec for over a decade.

    Edit: I'm blind, didn't see that this was a MM-specific topic until now. My apologies.
    Last edited by Mirishka; 2016-06-18 at 11:35 PM.
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    I pvp so movement is kind of required. Anyway stop being such an ass fucktard.

    Go ahead and infract me. This guy sucks.
    So you pick SV or BM. MM is currently designed around not moving frequently, not a complicated thing to understand.
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  5. #45
    MM just feels incredibly bland in Legion. Nothing about the spec feels impactful to me. In fact it's laughable compared to HFC MM. The excitement of chimera cleaves and sniping adds with kill shot is gone. Now you press a button when it lights up and then cast some aimed shots. And you can also shoot snakes now because fuck it why not?

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    I dislike the RNG and that we can no longer move whilst casting Aimed shot. I also miss the cleave of Chimera shot. But I don't mind, I've been MM for the entirety of HFC. The problem is that they made 1 spec a melee one, so that leaves me BM with MM as off-spec. I'm not writing MM off though. I'll be a bit miffed if SV ends up the best spec throughout the expansion...

    I also highly dislike the longer GCD for the specs, and that they removed kill shot.
    Last edited by Queen of Hamsters; 2016-06-18 at 11:49 PM.
    How very odd...
    It would seem that one simply can't make Classic sound good, without first attempting to make Retail sound bad.

  7. #47
    It's an rng debuff spec. They took us from a spec that had an answer to almost every situation( yes we needed to be brought down a peg) to a spec that doesn't have an answer in any situation.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Sencha View Post
    Because MM is now a caster. No more mobility.
    this is what most of the complainers fail to understand.
    but the question is how well mm is shifted into that role and i lack the knowledge/experience to judge, because i had no access to beta and cba about pts.

  9. #49
    Why couldn't they just not change MM in any way shape of form...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    Anyway stop being such an ass fucktard.
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    Would you kindly go fuck yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    So you pick SV or BM. MM is currently designed around not moving frequently, not a complicated thing to understand.
    You can't say "pick SV...." and mean it if you're talking to someone who wants to play ranged. That's the problem with making one of our specs melee - you have ONE choice if you want a ranged spec with a pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    You can't say "pick SV...." and mean it if you're talking to someone who wants to play ranged. That's the problem with making one of our specs melee - you have ONE choice if you want a ranged spec with a pet.
    MM has a pet again, actually, with LW as a talent option.
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    edit: oops posted in the wrong topic

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    You can't say "pick SV...." and mean it if you're talking to someone who wants to play ranged. That's the problem with making one of our specs melee - you have ONE choice if you want a ranged spec with a pet.
    You might have missed that the person I was responding to doesn't play MM nor understand how the work now or will in Legion.
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  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    So you pick SV or BM. MM is currently designed around not moving frequently, not a complicated thing to understand.
    The question this thread is trying to answer is why people are dissatisfied with MM. Not "is there another hunter spec that people might like." Try and keep up.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    The question this thread is trying to answer is why people are dissatisfied with MM. Not "is there another hunter spec that people might like." Try and keep up.
    Which as I stated, before you freaked out, only 1 attack has lost its ability to be cast while moving. The trade of is MM is no longer stuck in place like they currently are now due to sniper training. Im sorry you don't understand the spec and pouted when I pointed it out. You are the one acting like a sleep deprived child all the while offering nothing to the conversation. I wasn't rude, yet when you have even less to add you end up throwing a tantrum.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    Hunters just had it too good in WoD and might be paying the price to some degree moving forward. This will cull the flavor of the month players from their ranks and things will bounce back. You can't have extremely high mobility, offer every buff, have highly valuable defensive cd and be a top dps all at the same time and not lose something moving forward. When it really comes down to it they didn't really lose anything that other classes and specs aren't having taken from them either. All the hunter QQ is just another example of people crying the sky is falling after one drop of rain.

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    Good news you still can, you just have to put a shred of thought into it and you can't just bounce around mindlessly. Of course if you were doing that now you would never have sniper training up so you shouldn't be moving too much. They can't channel and move that is it, they still have plenty of instant shots to fill in if and when they do need to move.
    Except we DO pay a price.



    We are NOT the top DPS. What makes us competitve with those classes above us is our mobility. Our base DPS is lower than theirs but they can't keep up full DPS while moving, so on mechanic-heavy fights hunters pull ahead. That is the real class fantasy of hunters; highly versatile, mobile DPS. Not this garbage that Celestalon came up with in Legion. And that IS balanced. So please quit it with this self-loathing bullshit.

    Also, maintaining Sniper Training takes much more thought than just never moving during the vulnerability window (which is the majority of your rotation).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    You certainly don't play MM. Because they are punished for moving for more the 3 seconds and then staying still now. Gotta love when people come in and toss in why they think a change is bad having no idea how the class will work or currently works. Talk about adding to the thread.
    If you think that losing a +10% damage/crit damage buff is the equivalent to not being able to cast our only on-demand focus dump from which we get a significant portion of our total damage, then clearly YOU don't play MM. This is the same shitty logic that the class designers are using. These are the same people who think focus is irrelevant when you are GCD capped and RPPM is totally deterministic, so good luck getting any informed opinion on hunters out of those clowns.

    You also seem to be simultaneously arguing that a) mobility is getting a much-needed nerf and b) mobility is not being nerfed so people are crying over nothing. This is why you can't just throw any half-assed argument at the thread and hope it sticks because you might as well be adding a "cognitive dissonance" disclaimer to your signature.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Ac3v3n7uRa View Post
    There does seem to be widespread dissatisfaction with the hunter class on beta right now, but there's still plenty of time to fix it. Post your issues in the class feedback thread; Blizzard definitely reads all of the feedback. They just changed Frost Mages based on all of the dissatisfaction with Frozen Orb.
    Except it won't be fixed. They said in one of the interviews that mechanical changes are pretty much finished, it's just going to be number tuning now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombkirby View Post
    I don't think Hunters should even have much mobility.
    That's literally been our entire gimmick. MM is now just a bland caster spec, no flavor to it at all and absolutely no interesting mechanical interactivity. If I wanted to play a bland rotation with no mobility I'd roll a different class.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    I pvp so movement is kind of required. Anyway stop being such an ass fucktard.

    Go ahead and infract me. This guy sucks.
    Can we discuss the joys of the missing comma?

    "Anyway stop being such an ass fucktard."

    Ass fucktard. Brilliant. Thanks for that chuckle

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    Which as I stated, before you freaked out, only 1 attack has lost its ability to be cast while moving. The trade of is MM is no longer stuck in place like they currently are now due to sniper training. Im sorry you don't understand the spec and pouted when I pointed it out. You are the one acting like a sleep deprived child all the while offering nothing to the conversation. I wasn't rude, yet when you have even less to add you end up throwing a tantrum.
    You were rude and dismissive, I responded in kind. I stick to my answer, which is that hunters have lost mobility, comparing it to how I felt when I played warlock and they lost mobility. Now you're telling me that I don't understand sniper training because apparently you're clairvoyant.

    Oh wait, you're not. I do understand sniper training, but I also mostly pvp where you often have to ignore the damage buff in order to stay alive. You decided to assume that you know everything and that my opinion is irrelevant and told me that I had nothing to add to the conversation. When did you decide that you're always right and that you can quickly determine exactly what everyone else is thinking and dismiss their answers as wrong?

    Show people some respect and don't assume you know everything. Then you'll get their respect in turn.
    Last edited by Tonus; 2016-06-19 at 11:12 AM.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Pengalor View Post

    That's literally been our entire gimmick. MM is now just a bland caster spec, no flavor to it at all and absolutely no interesting mechanical interactivity. If I wanted to play a bland rotation with no mobility I'd roll a different class.
    We still have much more mobility than most of the casters don't we (real question, I didn't try all of the casters ont the ptr yet) ?
    And LnL adds to that.

    What saddens me the most is that we lost the little utility we had aside of our dps tools. (goodbye traps )
    Last edited by Norahe; 2016-06-19 at 11:19 AM.

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