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  1. #781
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You're just being ridiculous. You can't blow up someone's car with them inside it and then be like "Well, I wasn't actually trying to kill them".

    You know what, this is pointless. I'm going to just be the bigger person and walk away from your nonsense.
    You clearly didn't understand him. He blew up that guy's flamethrower to give him severe burns. /s
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

  2. #782
    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    You clearly didn't understand him. He blew up that guy's flamethrower to give him severe burns. /s
    He's just sleeping. Poor little guy is all tuckered out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You're just being ridiculous. You can't blow up someone's car with them inside it and then be like "Well, I wasn't actually trying to kill them".
    if he did aimed for that, why not walk around with a gun shooting people it would make his job way easy? and you know, many people he could have killed and didn't, marked and nd let it the cops get it.

    You know what, this is pointless. I'm going to just be the bigger person and walk away from your nonsense.
    now that would be a first

  4. #784
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    now that would be a first
    Maybe it's something you could learn from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    if he did aimed for that, why not walk around with a gun shooting people it would make his job way easy? and you know, many people he could have killed and didn't, marked and nd let it the cops get it.
    Considering he's actually using guns...that isn't a compelling argument...but whatever. You think that someone that explodes other human beings isn't actively trying to kill them. Cool story. Let's move on.

  5. #785
    Daredevil doesn't kill either, but there's gotta be a few in that stairwell fight sequence in season 2 that won't be waking up.

  6. #786
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Considering he's actually using guns...that isn't a compelling argument...but whatever. You think that someone that explodes other human beings isn't actively trying to kill them. Cool story. Let's move on.
    Really I think the point is that comic book movies in general (plenty of exceptions) don't just gun people down and kill people. They do however, ignore all the deaths that MUST happen in most of their fights. Affleck/ Snyder batman did some things that must have ended in death, but Nolan batman also just drove through the city blowing stuff up and firing randomly at things that blocked his way. Certainly Keaton tossing someone off a tower is not a healthy life experience.

    It's like the "peak human" thing, comic book humans aren't real humans. They can be punched through walls and get back up without bruises.
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  7. #787
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    Really I think the point is that comic book movies in general (plenty of exceptions) don't just gun people down and kill people. They do however, ignore all the deaths that MUST happen in most of their fights. Affleck/ Snyder batman did some things that must have ended in death, but Nolan batman also just drove through the city blowing stuff up and firing randomly at things that blocked his way. Certainly Keaton tossing someone off a tower is not a healthy life experience.
    The difference between Bale and Afflecks Batman is, for the most part, They never show Bale's Batman Actually Killing people. Yes, one can assume that there would have been collateral deaths in some of the things he does... but he doesn't engage enemies with a clear intent of murdering them. Affleck's does.

    The exception would be Ras Al ghul...which would fall into your, "He didn't care if they lived or died" caveat. He doesn't actually murder Ras.... but he does set up the situation that results in his death and was fully aware of that. But, like I said earlier, that would still classify as "depraved-heart murder".

    And I've never stated that Bale's Batman was comics accurate either. He's far too grounded in "realism". He's a good fighter...but he hasn't mastered every fighting style in the world. He's got his gadgets....but he's not the super-genius designing and building them... he's got Lucius for that.

    Now, can we just move on? If you still don't believe that Afflecks Batman actively murdered people... there's nothing more I can say to convince you. And you're never going to convince me that someone that makes the decision to explode another human being wasn't intending for that person to die.

    It's like the "peak human" thing, comic book humans aren't real humans. They can be punched through walls and get back up without bruises.
    Which is what we were trying to explain to you in the other thread.
    Last edited by Egomaniac; 2022-01-04 at 10:12 PM.

  8. #788
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The difference between Bale and Afflecks Batman is, for the most part, They never show Bale's Batman Actually Killing people. Yes, one can assume that there would have been collateral deaths in some of the things he does... but he doesn't engage enemies with a clear intent of murdering them. Affleck's does.

    The exception would be Ras Al ghul...which would fall into your, "He didn't care if they lived or died" caveat. He doesn't actually murder Ras.... but he does set up the situation that results in his death and was fully aware of that. But, like I said earlier, that would still classify as "depraved-heart murder".

    And I've never stated that Bale's Batman was comics accurate either. He's far too grounded in "realism". He's a good fighter...but he hasn't mastered every fighting style in the world. He's got his gadgets....but he's not the super-genius designing and building them... he's got Lucius for that.

    Now, can we just move on? If you still don't believe that Afflecks Batman actively murdered people... there's nothing more I can say to convince you. And you're never going to convince me that someone that makes the decision to explode another human being wasn't intending for that person to die.



    Which is what we were trying to explain to you in the other thread.
    I mean, you are replying to me, but think you're replying to someone else...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Maybe it's something you could learn from...
    but here you are back at it again


    Considering he's actually using guns...that isn't a compelling argument...but whatever. You think that someone that explodes other human beings isn't actively trying to kill them. Cool story. Let's move on.
    yeah, rule of cool, big explosion, cool effects overide that.

    now if you ahve batman with a shotgun blasting off people in sight instead of punching then senseless, then we can argue.

    Nevertheless, still prefer him as Batman for a justice league

  10. #790
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    yeah, rule of cool, big explosion, cool effects overide that.

    now if you ahve batman with a shotgun blasting off people in sight instead of punching then senseless, then we can argue.
    I've got quite a bit more than that.

    Again, watch the video.

    He's using vechicle mounted machine guns to kill people.

    Just let it go... Affleck's Batman intended to murder those people. To pretend otherwise is just silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    I mean, you are replying to me, but think you're replying to someone else...
    Sorry, right you are....it's the other "S" name that I was refering to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I've got quite a bit more than that.

    Again, watch the video.

    He's using vechicle mounted machine guns to kill people.

    Just let it go... Affleck's Batman intended to murder those people. To pretend otherwise is just silly. .
    "just let ti go"

    like i said, you do you, he could have killed much more if he aimed for that, that is also, totally a sideway point, that 1) i don't care 2) have nothing to do if he would be a good batman for a justice league or not.

  12. #792
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    "just let ti go"

    like i said, you do you, he could have killed much more if he aimed for that, that is also, totally a sideway point, that 1) i don't care 2) have nothing to do if he would be a good batman for a justice league or not.
    Ok, so let's move on. You think a man that makes a decision to blow other human beings up wasn't trying to kill them. Fine. I'm no longer interested in convincing you otherwise.

    "He could have killed waaaay more people if he tried to...therefore he didn't try to kill anyone"

    Ok. I'm done now. Let's move on.
    Last edited by Egomaniac; 2022-01-05 at 04:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Daredevil doesn't kill either, but there's gotta be a few in that stairwell fight sequence in season 2 that won't be waking up.
    This is actually a thing in the current daredevil run what happens when daredevil hits some one and they hit there head and die, amazing story.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  14. #794
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Daredevil doesn't kill either, but there's gotta be a few in that stairwell fight sequence in season 2 that won't be waking up.
    Sure, but if we're talking "comics-accurate"...Daredevil and Batman don't intentionally kill people.

    Even in that stairwell fight scene...logically, one can deduce that people would likely have died... but we never actually see Daredevil intentionally murder anyone.

    You can't say the same thing about Batfleck.

  15. #795
    This conversation pops up a lot around batman. The whole does he kill or not.

    Just because some hollywood directors get excessive with his batmobile and general weapon use which would defiantly kill people I still think that doesnt justify saying "batman kills" because they fail totally to see the logic behind the character.

    If batman is just another killer it completely defeats the entire point of his character arc after being left a orphan because of murder.

    And its not in a "oh hes the good guy so he cant kill" way. But it completely nullifies his entire purpose which is to try and make the best of a shitty situation at the expense of himself to improve the city his parents cared for so deeply.
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

  16. #796
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    This conversation pops up a lot around batman. The whole does he kill or not.

    Just because some hollywood directors get excessive with his batmobile and general weapon use which would defiantly kill people I still think that doesnt justify saying "batman kills" because they fail totally to see the logic behind the character.

    If batman is just another killer it completely defeats the entire point of his character arc after being left a orphan because of murder.

    And its not in a "oh hes the good guy so he cant kill" way. But it completely nullifies his entire purpose which is to try and make the best of a shitty situation at the expense of himself to improve the city his parents cared for so deeply.
    To be fair, if he killed his villains, Gotham would have been cleaned up by now.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

  17. #797
    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    To be fair, if he killed his villains, Gotham would have been cleaned up by now.
    Or he could use his billions to make Arkham Asylum have some decent walls so they dont keep escaping
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Ok. I'm done now. Let's move on.
    you: "i will be a big man, i will let, ago"
    also you: actually don't move on, and its only done, when have the last word.

    how mature



    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    This conversation pops up a lot around batman. The whole does he kill or not.

    Just because some hollywood directors get excessive with his batmobile and general weapon use which would defiantly kill people I still think that doesnt justify saying "batman kills" because they fail totally to see the logic behind the character..
    i mean, thats the entire point of it, hollywood directors wanting the movie to be flashy and have a lot of wacky actions, so they show those big expansions and people getting fucked up.

    Now people getting those scenes, and drawing a parallel with batman mentality like he is a sociopath killer, when he clearly, was not seeking for that, is laughable.

  19. #799
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you: "i will be a big man, i will let, ago"
    also you: actually don't move on, and its only done, when have the last word.

    how mature
    Ok, if it makes you feel better... you can say one more time that Batman doesn't intend to kill people when he decides to blow them up. I won't say anything about it or counter it in anyway. You can have the last word.

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