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  1. #3081
    3 (THREE, Carl) Wisdoms, 2x Boomkin Innervates, undergeared alts as a healers team.
    Sure, It's Doorway of Nowhere's OP-ness.

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    well there's also the fact that chi-ji(the talent) and doorway's chi-jis are put together in logs.

    doorway's chi-ji does like 3 or 4% at best

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    It's ironic how this expansion was supposed to be the expansion where Blizzard made "mana matter" and used mana limitations to force healers into making more efficient spell selections.
    Last edited by Rife; 2017-12-07 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiphess View Post
    well there's also the fact that chi-ji(the talent) and doorway's chi-jis are put together in logs.

    doorway's chi-ji does like 3 or 4% at best
    According to wowanalyzer Doorway is up to 5.6% total healing. The rest (8.25-5.6=2.65%) is Chi-Ji from the talent.

    Sure you can't bring over 2mHPS over 7 minutes without infinite mana. What I found interesting here is that T21 bring 10% additional healing without optimization of gameplay. It seems also that Doorway needs lucky proc and almost EF casts on CD to be good.

    My point is that RJW is presented as the talent to go whereas it should be a situational talent especially with a T21 that can bring a tons of additional healing in a very mana efficient way (Effuse+SG).

    So my question is what legendaries should be considered if you do not used Spirit of the Crane and RJW but Mist wrap and Chi-Ji? I suppose that it still should be Velen and Prydaz (or Petrichor if you can get an additional Revival).
    I like to use the chest on Varimathras. I spot heal with effuse and pre-cast SG on tank when debuff goes off (little to ne SG overhealing), it seems very strong here.

    I also have some interrogation about mana return trinkets (Darkmoon or Amalgam for example). If you use the additional mana to Effuse and SG it should increase the mp5 weight but to what point exactly?

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    Is RJW really presented as the go to talent? With 4p t21 a rough calculation from my logs showed effuse more mana efficient and even non UT vivify is on par with heavy (= opportunity to efficiently cast it on cooldown) RJW use.

    Even if not using RJW i still want to use SotC unless there is a particular reason to use mistwrap. If you roughly replace rjw casts by vivifys you still have the same number of gcd to spend on punchs and kicks. If you use effuses yeah the mana return from sotc will take a hit (like 30% less?) but you still need specifics reasons for a buff to envm/channeling on the move to be better than MOAR MANA !
    Last edited by Caprix; 2017-12-07 at 09:10 AM.

  6. #3086
    You seem to think people have 4pc T21 already. Healers being geared last, vast majority still use T20, so logs and talents do not reflect T21 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenlady View Post
    Legendaries
    According to wowanlayzer on this fight Velen used represent 3.1% and Doorway to Nowhere is 5.6% additional healing.
    Doorway to nowhere reaches extremely high value due to the extensive use of Essence Font (31 castes on a 7 minutes fight!). You need to have such a high EF usage to justified using Doorway to nowhere over Chest as it is a very bad in term of stats.
    Noob point of view: I cannot sustain such high extensive Essence Font usage so I will keep Prydaz for the safety it brings.
    Since when was the chest even one of the legendaries to use? It's crap.

    According to Garg, Doorway to Nowhere + Velens is what you want this tier once you have the Crit/Vers neck.



    Personally I got Prydaz only recently and been using DTN for whole last tier and it consistently was 4-6% of my healing. Of course it's RNG and can proc at bad moments, and of course only T21 I rolled was the cloak, but still..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenlady View Post
    Sure you can't bring over 2mHPS over 7 minutes without infinite mana.
    It's just monks who can't. There are multiple logs in top 10 ranks for multiple fights on Heroic and Mythic of Hpals, Hpriests and Rshams doing 1.8m to 2.2m HPS without Wisdom or Innervate. Certainly Rdruids and Discs too.

    Amalgams is legit if you're using Effuse to build SG and can SG without overhealing like you're doing on Vari. The problem is that even if you worry about amalgams, effuse with SG, 2pce from effuse gusts and even 4pce with TFT ReM"s and all that spell/target selection you'll still do less healing than just pressing EF on CD and afking the boss.

    Blizzard really fucked up MW to the point where RJW and EF are the highest HPS and most efficient heals but also are the most mindless, braindead and retard-proof healing spells. This is the main reason why doorway is BiS; because it's retard-proof, free, mindless healing attached to the strongest healing spell MW have. There is no reason not to use it.

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    Peak of Serenity Discord should be permanently banned. It is just a bunch of joke and shithole.

    Doorway meme. I am laughing how retarded and bad math is this discord?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cqwrteur View Post
    Peak of Serenity Discord should be permanently banned. It is just a bunch of joke and shithole.

    Doorway meme. I am laughing how retarded and bad math is this discord?
    Got something else to add with the numbers to back it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rife View Post
    Got something else to add with the numbers to back it up?


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    Also this:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ling&source=17

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    I don't know how these retards get their ridiculous results. My guess is that they assume EF will be pressed on CD (which is in reality never that case).
    Also doorway has an extremely poor sec-stats on it. (haste+mastery) which makes it even worse. Prydaz is also even better since it saves your GCDs and mana for healing yourself.
    Last edited by cqwrteur; 2017-12-08 at 07:50 AM.

  11. #3091
    the point being that wearing prydaz is an hp loss compared to wearing no legendary

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    Quote Originally Posted by treeqt View Post
    the point being that wearing prydaz is an hp loss compared to wearing no legendary
    why wearing prydaz is an HP loss?

  13. #3093
    Apparently there is more throughput from the crit/vers neck (assuming mythic one) than prydaz and its effect over what you gain from Doorway. I'm skeptic too due to mastery/haste of the cloak, but it's still consistently 5-6% of my healing.

    However, Prydaz has always been very solid for progression.

    But if you check Varimethras which is a constant damage fight.



    vs



    Seems pretty similar to me, rest is intellect of cloak vs secondary stats.
    Last edited by Spotnick; 2017-12-08 at 06:06 PM.
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    That is not correct

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    I've read that before and was a bit surprised too. Dirty quick maths:

    prydaz 1000 is 2152 crit/haste/mastery + slot (so 2302 crit because i was cheap when enchanting it)
    mythic neck 960 is 1930 crit 2292 poly

    Let's completely ignore haste and mastery because lazy
    the net difference is -372 crit and +2292 poly, or -0.93% crit and +4.8% poly
    Assuming about 35% crit and 20% poly that's a (1.3407/1.35)*(1.248/1.2)=1.032 modifier.
    Or +3.2% over prydaz crit only stat, which additionnal absorb effects is like about 50k hps? 50/0.032 = 1562k hps is the base healing breakpoint around which antorus mythic neck equals prydaz crit stat+absorb. More hps than that prydaz lose, less hps prydaz wins.

    Remember i did not factor in the haste and mastery of prydaz
    Quick estimation, that 2152 mastery would roughtly increase my mastery spellpower% from 300% to 370% or +23%, mastery procs averaging about 10% of my hps that's a +2.3% to global healing.
    Haste i never bothered to evaluate, but i think it is at least on par with mastery if not better...

    So yeah, not correct. Actually it looks like prydaz is about on par with that neck with its stats only?

    I may have forgotten something
    Last edited by Caprix; 2017-12-08 at 09:14 PM.

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    poly = vers for those confused

  18. #3098
    Yeah right, was looking at the item stats in the french client

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    why are people looking at the hps value of prydaz on logs and not adjusting for more overhealing on yourself, even though logs are adjusting doorway to nowhere's output for overheal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supliftz View Post
    why are people looking at the hps value of prydaz on logs and not adjusting for more overhealing on yourself, even though logs are adjusting doorway to nowhere's output for overheal?
    I tried to explain that on Discord, it was a mistake
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