[7.0 Retribution Paladin] Guide and Discussion

[Deleted]

I like my arcano and hound trinket combo for aoe fights although minefield lines up really well with high command adds. Still though since party wants Pantheon trinkets I go with hounds (high ilvl) and pantheon.

[Vuagnon]

Trying to pick between cloak, belt and liadrin's fury. What should I do?

[Morally Grey Storm]

spec Shadow or Demonology.

[Deleted]

Btw, i know it's Alpha but have u seen the duration on Crusade? 20 seconds eksdee. Plus, WoA has a 45sec cooldown.

[Morally Grey Storm]

It's only Alpha don't you worry

[Deleted]

It's only Alpha don't you worry

The irony (once more) is strong with this one.

[Ryuji]

Trying to pick between cloak, belt and liadrin's fury. What should I do?

Cloak and highlord ring is the best combo but your best bet is to sim it.

1. Download the Simulationcraft addon.
2. Equip the gear set you want to have as a starting point.
3. Type /simc in chat. Lines of code will pop up. Copy that.
4. Go to Raidbots and go to Top Gear.
5. Paste that code into the box at the top. It'll take a few seconds to show all your gear options.
6. Click the items you want to compare to. There's a limit for non-patrons though, but usually you can select around 4-6 different items.
7. Scroll down and make sure gems/enchants and such are set to your best ones.
8. If you want to check single target, make sure Patchwerk(it's the basic one to go for, can fiddle with other options later) is selected, leave the other options as they are.
9. If you want AoE or a general idea of mythic+(not 100% accurate with +), check Hectic Add Cleave instead of Patchwerk for the basic idea of cleave/AoE.
10. It'll put you in a queue, then run the sim, then show the results. You can go from there and fiddle with sim options as you like to test out other stuff. It also can show crucible trait options if you're curious about replacing relics.

[Reith]

It's only Alpha don't you worry

Dude, quit your crying when they haven't even made a development pass on ret yet. When it's near launch and it's still crap, then you can start whining. What you should be doing is discussing things on the WoW forums right now if you want anything done.

[Leefa]

Dude, quit your crying when they haven't even made a development pass on ret yet.

They havent done anything to any class, but when you consider the past cycles of ret changes etc its hard to stay positive

[Morally Grey Storm]

Dude, quit your crying when they haven't even made a development pass on ret yet. When it's near launch and it's still crap, then you can start whining. What you should be doing is discussing things on the WoW forums right now if you want anything done.

Dude, I haven’t even started crying. In fact, I never ever did cry here yet at all.
What I am doing, though, is pointing out the obvious flaws that are already present with information at hand.
For example, WoA. Do you really think it was a good idea to nerf it and then put it against divine casino and Cruonlydecentdpstalentsade?

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Not to mention such slightly reliable thing as history .
If history is anything to go by, were in for a good times.

[Wilian]

Dude, quit your crying when they haven't even made a development pass on ret yet. When it's near launch and it's still crap, then you can start whining. What you should be doing is discussing things on the WoW forums right now if you want anything done.

Ah yes, the history Retribution class design truly supports this sort of narrative.

[Lothaeryn]

Ah yes, the history Retribution class design truly supports this sort of narrative.

Agreed, anyone who plays Ret in earnest should expect a shoddily assembled and broken spec at launch, anyone who thinks otherwise has not played the spec for long.

I am honestly expecting this next expansion to have the worst, if not second worst, iteration of ret yet (Worst was early Cataclysm by a large margin).

[Reith]

Ah yes, the history Retribution class design truly supports this sort of narrative.

I'm not on the "world is ending" side nor the "everything is going to be great" side. You can choose to be on either of these extremes, I'll stay in the middle like a sane person. Thanks.

[Vuagnon]

Cloak and highlord ring is the best combo but your best bet is to sim it.

1. Download the Simulationcraft addon.
2. Equip the gear set you want to have as a starting point.
3. Type /simc in chat. Lines of code will pop up. Copy that.
4. Go to Raidbots and go to Top Gear.
5. Paste that code into the box at the top. It'll take a few seconds to show all your gear options.
6. Click the items you want to compare to. There's a limit for non-patrons though, but usually you can select around 4-6 different items.
7. Scroll down and make sure gems/enchants and such are set to your best ones.
8. If you want to check single target, make sure Patchwerk(it's the basic one to go for, can fiddle with other options later) is selected, leave the other options as they are.
9. If you want AoE or a general idea of mythic+(not 100% accurate with +), check Hectic Add Cleave instead of Patchwerk for the basic idea of cleave/AoE.
10. It'll put you in a queue, then run the sim, then show the results. You can go from there and fiddle with sim options as you like to test out other stuff. It also can show crucible trait options if you're curious about replacing relics.

Ty but a bit too late for me. There is way too much competition in guilds and way too few item drops for me to continue this game any longer. And some horrible rng dropping similar items in a row and no other alternatives but waiting for weeks and months. I'll be looking for another game for good this time. There is no returning back for me unless some drastic changes are made.

[Swampmoose]

Ty but a bit too late for me. There is way too much competition in guilds and way too few item drops for me to continue this game any longer. And some horrible rng dropping similar items in a row and no other alternatives but waiting for weeks and months. I'll be looking for another game for good this time. There is no returning back for me unless some drastic changes are made.

Lol. Loot is thrown at you these days compared to the past. Sounds like you have other issues.

[Redblade]

I'm not on the "world is ending" side nor the "everything is going to be great" side. You can choose to be on either of these extremes, I'll stay in the middle like a sane person. Thanks.

The problem is that being "sane" about it has got us nowhere in the past...

Doubt anything we say will change their minds though, Blizzard is so stuck in their own hubris to even notice if a wast majority of the players dislike something. Time will tell though I guess, hoping for invite in a couple of weeks if they do as they have in the past.

[Deleted]

Dude, quit your crying when they haven't even made a development pass on ret yet. When it's near launch and it's still crap, then you can start whining.

opinion a: omg, bzzd, fix this asap
opinion s: chill ragekidd0 its just alpha, they ll fix before beta
opinion a: cmon bzzd, its beta, still no fix
opinion s: stfu crysmurf, its just beta, they ll fix before live
opinion a: its live, still no fix
opinion s: wtf is wrong with u? they ll fix it next xpac

[Deleted]

opinion a: omg, bzzd, fix this asap
opinion s: chill ragekidd0 its just alpha, they ll fix before beta
opinion a: cmon bzzd, its beta, still no fix
opinion s: stfu crysmurf, its just beta, they ll fix before live
opinion a: its live, still no fix
opinion s: wtf is wrong with u? they ll fix it next xpac

There is no point in talking with a whiteknight he just is not going to see things for what they are and have been since the game came out. I personally cant see why people even bother playing ret in Legion anymore its horrible to play(just in terms of gameplay) and somehow they let the only thing that made ret bearable to play in Legion not a part of the base which was the T20 4P.

[Reith]

There is no point in talking with a whiteknight he just is not going to see things for what they are and have been since the game came out. I personally cant see why people even bother playing ret in Legion anymore its horrible to play(just in terms of gameplay) and somehow they let the only thing that made ret bearable to play in Legion not a part of the base which was the T20 4P.

Go look at my post history. I'm in the middle, you're one of the extremists. Deal with it.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Go look at my post history. I'm in the middle, you're one of the extremists. Deal with it.

Deal with what?
With you trying to squelch unhappy and sceptical opinions?