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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Always have, always will.
    And this is why the Berneibros ultimately lost this cycle, when they could have gotten so much. There's really no point in talking to or catering to obsessive zealots, people who have made up their minds based on a long series of memes and tabloids who can't even point out how, specifically, within her capacity of secretary of state, she allowed such actions to happen. When all evidence points to that she was forced into a lame duck role by Obama and Rice, and was basically delegated the role of playing nice with foreign powers without having a hand in actual policy. They could have gotten far more than platforms that Clinton would have historically gone for without Sanders, such as minimum wage improvements, but nope. Fit thrown, momentum lost, have to start all over from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Clinton may have done some questionable stuff in the past
    Well let's be honest here: she did. The thing is, after 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rice/Powell, deleting emails and deaths at embassies are things the US has proven we're prepared to accept. I'm not thrilled with every single aspect of what she's done, but it really doesn't stand out from the pack all that much.

    Which I guess is some of the appeal for Trump voters. Say what you want about his horrible failures on most levels of being a human being at this point, at least he didn't agree to the Iraq War. Either. He never had that authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    http://www.complex.com/life/2016/08/...cted-president

    Trump signs a pledge to ban porn if elected.
    Good luck with that, Porn is like pee in the pool. Once it is in there it's in there. Only the pool is a fucking ocean and the ocean is mostly pee. Prohibition worked out just fine with no criminal organizations coming to power, can't see how this could possibly blow up in our faces...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Good luck with that, Porn is like pee in the pool. Once it is in there it's in there. Only the pool is a fucking ocean and the ocean is mostly pee. Prohibition worked out just fine with no criminal organizations coming to power, can't see how this could possibly blow up in our faces...
    Funny, I've said the same thing about guns but that sure as fuck isn't stopping people from attempting the same thing with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Well let's be honest here: she did. The thing is, after 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rice/Powell, deleting emails and deaths at embassies are things the US has proven we're prepared to accept. I'm not thrilled with every single aspect of what she's done, but it really doesn't stand out from the pack all that much.

    Which I guess is some of the appeal for Trump voters. Say what you want about his horrible failures on most levels of being a human being at this point, at least he didn't agree to the Iraq War. Either. He never had that authority.
    Correction, if you are a Republican or Republican establishment then Bush era email deletions and embassy killings are ignorable but if your political opponent has done it then we definately need to bury her so we can get back in the white house... er I mean, make justice happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Correction, if you are a Republican or Republican establishment then Bush era email deletions and embassy killings are ignorable but if your political opponent has done it then we definately need to bury her so we can get back in the white house... er I mean, make justice happen!
    Good thing I'm not. I haven't had a president within my lifetime I thought was worth two shits. So don't you dare lump me in with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Good luck with that, Porn is like pee in the pool. Once it is in there it's in there. Only the pool is a fucking ocean and the ocean is mostly pee. Prohibition worked out just fine with no criminal organizations coming to power, can't see how this could possibly blow up in our faces...
    I would think the likely result would porn being bumped up to the SCOTUS, and ruled as protected under freedom of expression. It's a dead route to go down, politically... someone who actually gets it pushed is going to go the same route as Pence did in his state over abortion. Even if you can get it pushed through, when it's shoved back in your face your electorate is going to burn you for getting so close but fialing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    It kills me how you'll gloss over these things so readily and happily while freaking out because Trump won't produce his tax forms of all things.
    Um...you do realize my point was not about his failure to release his tax returns (that's still another huge mark against him, but not what I was talking about) but his being under audit for the last eight years? Meaning he is currently in legal trouble for at least ten things, eight of which are federal taxes. You know, felonies?

    But since you brought it up, I'll remind you he baited Romney into releasing his tax returns in 2012, and in a recent interview, blamed Romney's loss on one or two minor things in Romney's tax returns?

    That's not a legal issue, of course. That's just blatant fucking hypocrisy. Why aren't you freaking out? Your candidate's the one being a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    Grats on the promotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    And this is why the Berneibros ultimately lost this cycle, when they could have gotten so much. There's really no point in talking to or catering to obsessive zealots, people who have made up their minds based on a long series of memes and tabloids who can't even point out how, specifically, within her capacity of secretary of state, she allowed such actions to happen. When all evidence points to that she was forced into a lame duck role by Obama and Rice, and was basically delegated the role of playing nice with foreign powers without having a hand in actual policy. They could have gotten far more than platforms that Clinton would have historically gone for without Sanders, such as minimum wage improvements, but nope. Fit thrown, momentum lost, have to start all over from scratch.
    Ah yes because being pissed off that the election potentially got pulled out from under you due to an entire party WORKING AGAINST YOUR CANDIDATE is totally out of line and uncalled for or how when a bunch of their delegates left the convention, they shut off the lights, and then filled the seats with hired "seat-fillers". Basically, the DNC did everything they could to squash and control Bernie and his supporters. Hell, they were ready to use his lack of religion against him which I find bizarre.

    You people have a strange of assessment of what's worth being upset over and what's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Funny, I've said the same thing about guns but that sure as fuck isn't stopping people from attempting the same thing with them.
    Since I don't know your stance on guns I can't devine your intentions as to what you said. Are you saying he will be able to ban porn successfully without it going black market making criminal organizations rich and powerful? He is 70, he doesn't even know how the internet works, he clicks his words in a twitter panel and everyone can see it, end of story. You ever have to show someone over 60 how to use the internet? It's fucking horrible. Just yesterday I had to explain to my 65 year old father in law to stop trying to use internet explorer to do his banking for the fifth fucking time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Um...you do realize my point was not about his failure to release his tax returns (that's still another huge mark against him, but not what I was talking about) but his being under audit for the last eight years? Meaning he is currently in legal trouble for at least ten things, eight of which are federal taxes.

    But since you brought it up, I'll remind you he baited Romney into releasing his tax returns in 2012, and in a recent interview, blamed Romney's loss on one or two minor things in Romney's tax returns?

    That's not a legal issue, of course. That's just blatant fucking hypocrisy. Why aren't you freaking out? Your candidate's the one being a hypocrite.
    Because I think it's hilarious, personally, and I'm not in it to win anything for myself. I'm in it to stop someone. It's that simple. So I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that. I'm simply trying to make you realize that you're supporting someone utterly unsupportable while claiming the same of the opposite candidate.

    If you want me to see you as honest, the least you could do, is acknowledge it is an outright shit-show and no matter who wins - we lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Still under paid by a lot, but I'm loyal to a fault.
    Well hopefully it's a start to your proper compensation.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    How? Have you even done your research on Clinton beyond Buzzfeed and CNN? You cannot possibly put them side-by-side and think Clinton, by any measure, is lesser than Trump. It is simply not possible.
    You think buzzfeed and cnn are the only sources for Trump's past? Do you deny any part of his marred history filled with failure and disgrace?

    He loses so much, but he declares victory then sues anyone who tries to report on just how much he lost.

    If you think side by side, Trump can't be worse than Clinton, I can't imagine you've looked all that deeply into Trump's past. I'm going to guess you think it's all garbage posted by CNN and buzzfeed. I posted that one article because it pretty succinctly showcases Trump's biggest failures all in a single article, but you can do research and find them anywhere. His past is filled with lies, incompetence, and disgrace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Since I don't know your stance on guns I can't devine your intentions as to what you said. Are you saying he will be able to ban porn successfully without it going black market making criminal organizations rich and powerful? He is 70, he doesn't even know how the internet works, he clicks his words in a twitter panel and everyone can see it, end of story. You ever have to show someone over 60 how to use the internet? It's fucking horrible. Just yesterday I had to explain to my 65 year old father in law to stop trying to use internet explorer to do his banking for the fifth fucking time.
    No, my stance is that you can't successfully do it. With either case. It'd create more problems than solve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Because I think it's hilarious, personally, and I'm not in it to win anything for myself. I'm in it to stop someone. It's that simple. So I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that.
    This is priceless.
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    He destroyed nothing. His posts are nothing but lies, strawman and degeneracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    So I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that.
    *ahem*

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    You people have a strange of assessment of what's worth being upset over and what's not.
    What was the elapsed time there? Minutes? Seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    You think buzzfeed and cnn are the only sources for Trump's past? Do you deny any part of his marred history filled with failure and disgrace?

    He loses so much, but he declares victory then sues anyone who tries to report on just how much he lost.
    I meant for Clinton's, not Trump's. Not to mention, I care more about Clinton's because she is nearly a lifelong servant of the people. She should uphold greater ideals. Instead she seems to use her authority almost strictly for her own gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    You think buzzfeed and cnn are the only sources for Trump's past? Do you deny any part of his marred history filled with failure and disgrace?

    He loses so much, but he declares victory then sues anyone who tries to report on just how much he lost.
    I would like to know where or what his infallible news sources can be? I mean that guy has a secret news organization that gives the real truth. Where can it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    *ahem*



    What was the elapsed time there? Minutes? Seconds?
    I don't get your point. You do have a strange means by which to assess what's worth being upset over or not. Difference is, I realized what's worse(the goddamn public servant) and decided I should sabotage it. It's like taking a smaller asteroid and crashing it into the greater in order to break it up and cause less, over all damage. I don't think however, that in the process, I am somehow benevolent. People are going to get shit on either way. Pragmatism is a bitch.

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