Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Disagree, sometimes what is best for the country, will do damage to you or me. You could argue, perhaps, that in the long run it is best for us but in the immediate it is certainly not the path of least resistance nor the most accommodating. I believe most people think only about themselves or a given demographic and vote based upon the idea of immediately serving themselves or that group.
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All the more reason to go 3rd party once this shit-show is done and over with.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Totally agree... if the issue wasn't primaries... Primaries for third parties have 0 general public vote... Third parties have 0 chance of winning... Unless you support third parties as just a protest vote, that is nothing more than writing in 'Spider Jerousalem', which is what I'm doing, all power to you. But, if your point is that primaries are rigged and your voice isn't being herd, voting for a party that is doing exactly what you are complaining about, is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Counts on your viewpoint, if you are Democrat and Hillary wins you win, not because Hillary is the greatest President in history but rather because 1-2 Liberal Supreme court members are chosen and the court shifts from leaning Republican to leaning Liberal and that makes a fuck all of difference when it comes to social order.
If you are Republican, well if Hillary becomes president you lose because even Republican politicians say if you lose the seat to a liberal then you lose the SC for upwards of two decades.
When they make rulings on gay marraige, bathroom laws, religious right to deny service, abortion, Voter ID and they serve for life rather than 4 years then there absolutely are going to be winners and losers on election day and when you say that we all lose then you are being overly simplistic when it comes to politics. Somebody is going to win a lot more than the loser is this time.
Making people responsible for their own debts and lives. I'm unemployed. Looking at college here soon. If I got what I wanted in governance, I would be in a much tougher situation and facing little relief. That's my immediate obstacles and yet, I'm not voting to alleviate them. Because there are bigger concerns and longer term effects that have to be considered. Me and everyone else always voting for our immediate wants/needs will create, inevitably, a broken system. At some point, self-reliance and self-determination has to become a factor.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
I do so love the pseudo intellectuals that type out so much but say absolutely nothing.
Actual blue mod response on doing what they volunteered to do. No wonder this place is infested.Originally Posted by Venara
Who gave you the right to speak for avarage Americans? I'm an avarage American and I don't doubt you are to. Yet, we seem to disagree. It's as if "what's best" is subjective and saying what you did above is nothing, but a grandstanding version of 'my opinion is different from yours.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
A small handful of emails with vague ideas that never got put out? Clearly the entire DNC that was willing to host a complete outsider was working against him. As for people being removed, ya, if you make a complete ass of yourself because you don't want to be there, you're going to be sent away like a petulant child to be replaced by someone who wants to be there.
Why not do what Sanders himself did? Attempt to channel the momentum generated by the campaign into something that helps progress his ideals. I mean, his own ex-supporters have done a wonderful job dismantling everything he was working for by labeling themselves as the whiny losers of the political world, but some good can still come of it.
As for being upset over emails, if never having been hacked was a criteria for public office, the national turnover rate would be egregious. Chinese and Russian state-sponsored hackers have been hitting the US here and there for decades.. it is nothing new, and nothing revolutionary.
But anyways, I take from your lack of response that no, you aren't even remotely close to knowledgeable enough to finger exactly how Clinton pushed for the negative foreign policy decisions that you are so very upset about. If you were ever actually malcontent about those issues, you would be upset with Obama, Biden, and Rice. Her role as secretary of state was more of a very elaborate and distanced diplomat, as opposed to a setter of foreign policy, largely because Obama did not want to contend with her on significant issues.
I voted Ron Paul in the 2012 Republican Primaries. Then Gary Johnson in the national election. In the 2016 Republican primaries I voted Rand Paul.
All of which are individuals that likely wouldn't have, in any shape or form, put me and my particular situation first. I was more concerned with this nation's ceaseless warmongering and hawkish attitude.
Don't fall in the pitfall of considering yourself an 'average american'. Your viewpoints are far from 'average american'. You are you, be you.
It doesn't fall across party lines, it falls across what your morale compass says is right. Should businesses be able to say no to gays based on faith? Should gays be able to marry? Should abortion be legal? You don't need to be a card carrying member of any party to hold personal beliefs on these issues. If you believe one way or other on these issues you may get stuck with the person you want least deciding how we will be living for upwards of 2 decades.
I can safely say, Hillary is far from "what's best" - I can also infer that Trump is too. Hence why him winning would not be a "win" to me. It'd just be a method by which I slow down the system a bit, throw a wrench in it, so to speak... and then hopefully get something more meaningful going within the next four years.
Then you should vote for someone who will ensure there won't be total chaos the day after election day, which is exactly what would happen to global markets after Trump is elected, leaving you with an even smaller chance of finding a job, and using more of my tax money for your unemployment.