Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Macaquerie]

I wasn't saying it would ever happen, just that its incredibly advantageous for the Republicans to suppress voting, whereas Democrats (Whether self-serving or preserving the sacred right of voting or both) really need that to NOT happen.

Eh, even that isn't completely foul though. Democrats may be in the majority nationwide, but Republicans certainly seem to be more partisan and ideologically rigid, and their willingness to jump through whatever hoops to support their team while most Democrats are mired in abject indifference shouldn't count for nothing. Even in this election, getting out the vote has been an uphill battle for Democrats, which doesn't bode well for them even if they win, when the Republicans inevitably run a competent candidate in 2020.

[LilSaihah]

Shhhhhh the Democrats are busing people in from Mexico to vote ten times in a single district!

I thought the plan was to have them vote once in ten districts. I need to catch up on my election rigging strats.

[Orlong]

The fact that Republicans, including Trump, are getting mad at people being allowed to exercise their constitutional right to vote is just pathetic. Once again reaffirming that the only part of the constitution they give a shit about is the part where they get guns.

Illegal Aliens dont have a Constitutional right to vote

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Is someone now really arguing that discrimination of gays doesn't matter much, because they are a minority? And that Obama's achievements in there don't matter, because some other problems in the country aren't solved?

I feel like the Internet subculture is like an ever-growing tree: every day, new branches grow out, with more and more ridiculous ideas popping out as leaves.

You work on the little stuff when youre done with the big important stuff. Its called triage

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*shrug* I don't know. I've stated before that one of the signs of conservatism is a lack of empathy. You seem to have that part down even if you aren't conservative.


EDIT -- also, one of the telltale signs of someone who doesn't like gays is the whole "OMG SUCH A DISTRACTION GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY DO ONE THING AT A TIMMMMMMME" line.

You can have empathy without wanting to prioritize it. People often walk by homeless people and feel sad for them or think Im so happy I dont have to live like that. That is Empathy. Lots of conervatives have empathy. What we DONT have is the will to force everyone else to pay more taxes to get them off the street. Thats forcable charity, not empathy

[Mormolyce]

Illegal Aliens dont have a Constitutional right to vote

Unless they vote Trump.

[Wyrt]

Illegal Aliens dont have a Constitutional right to vote

The same racist rhetoric the Trump campaign has been spewing all election. Just because they're Latino doesn't mean they're illegal.

[Mormolyce]

Damn those criminals and rapists.

EARLY voting data in critical US states suggest a surge in turnout among Latino voters, in a move that could provide a major boost to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Statistics from Florida, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona all show a significant increase in the “sleeping giant” of Latin-American voters in the 30 million votes already counted.
Analysts predict the effect could replicate that President Obama had on the African-American community in 2008 and 2012 who turned out in record numbers to support America’s first black President. Latino voters traditionally vote Democrat and Hillary Clinton’s campaign has worked hard to ensure turnout in the increasingly tight election race.
However this time, a significant part of the Latino population appears to be mobilising against Donald Trump who has pledged to build a wall along the Mexican border and characterised citizens as criminals and rapists.

Early voting statistics from Florida show around one million of the 6.2 million early votes cast were by the Hispanic population. That’s a 75 per cent increase from 2012, according to the New York Times.
Political scientist Daniel Smith, who has been analysing voter data in the state, said “we’re headed for record turnout in Florida”.
“So far, 36 per cent of the 907,000 Hispanics who have voted in 2016 didn’t vote by any method in 2012. That’s a full 12 points higher than whites, and will likely be the key to who wins the presidency.”
Arizona has also recorded the largest increase of early voting by Latinos in any state, up 11 per cent from 2012, according to statistics from Catalist.
Nevada has also seen a rise in turnout which drove Democrats to an early lead of 72,000 that proved enough to worry Nevada’s Republican Chairman Micael McDonald who suggested polls were kept open late to allow a “certain group” to vote. Hispanics account for 28 per cent of Nevada’s population.
It prompted Donald Trump to echo his previous claims about the election being “rigged” pointing to problems at “certain key Democratic polling locations”.
“Folks, it’s a rigged system. It’s a rigged system. And we’re going to beat it,” he said, according to Politico reports.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...c1d1746b958b83

[Wyrt]

Damn those criminals and rapists.


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...c1d1746b958b83

Sling racist comments at people the whole election and it's "rigged" that they're coming out to vote against him? What a fucking baby.

[Orlong]

Damn those criminals and rapists.


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...c1d1746b958b83

Youre assuming they all voted for Hillary. Legal Immigrants dont like illegal aliens because they didnt do things the right way and earn the right to be here like they did, and since Hillary doesnt seem to want to remove illegal aliens from our soil, I dont think she is getting many of those votes

[KrazyK923]

That is some delusion^

[Mormolyce]

Youre assuming they all voted for Hillary. Legal Immigrants dont like illegal aliens because they didnt do things the right way and earn the right to be here like they did, and since Hillary doesnt seem to want to remove illegal aliens from our soil, I dont think she is getting many of those votes

You really need me to tell you this?

Not only are Latino voters set for record turnout this election, but a new poll Sunday shows Latino support for Donald Trump may be lower than for any Republican presidential candidate in more than 30 years.

Hillary Clinton has support from 76% of the Latino electorate, according to the Noticias Telemundo/Latino Decisions /NALEO Educational Fund poll.

That's a higher level of support than President Obama won in both of his elections. Latino Decisions' survey showed 75% of Latinos backed Obama in 2012. Exit polling put his support at 71%.

Just 14% of Latino voters backed Trump, the survey found, That's about half of Mitt Romney's 27% showing with Latinos and fewer than the GOP's low-point when Bob Dole won 21% of the Latino vote in 1996.

Polling in California found similar results, according to the final statewide USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times survey. Clinton was winning 73% of Latino registered voters compared with 17% for Trump in a two-way match up, the poll found.

Exit data compiled by the Pew Hispanic Center shows no Republican candidate faring worse with Latinos in presidential elections dating to 1980.

Republicans approached this election year hoping to improve their standing with Latinos, a growing part of the electorate. But instead, their candidate seems to have had the opposite effect.

Trump's criticism of Latino immigrants as "rapists" and criminals set a tone when he launched his campaign, amplified by his proposals to deport those here illegally and build a wall along the border with Mexico.

A "Trump bump" in early voting by Latinos already has been documented in recent days in Florida, Nevada, Texas and some other states.

Voter registration drives have been robust for the past year in many Latino and immigrant communities, and now many advocacy groups are working to ensure Latino voters get to the polls.

Almost 15 million Latinos could vote this year, a record, and polling shows the Latino electorate puts more importance on voting this year than in 2012.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...htmlstory.html

[Wyrt]

Youre assuming they all voted for Hillary. Legal Immigrants dont like illegal aliens because they didnt do things the right way and earn the right to be here like they did, and since Hillary doesnt seem to want to remove illegal aliens from our soil, I dont think she is getting many of those votes

The majority of Latinos in Florida are Cubans and they came here as exiles from Cuba, not via the normal legal means.

As for Mexicans, I think they'll largely vote for Clinton because of Trump being racist.

[unbound]

You can have empathy without wanting to prioritize it. People often walk by homeless people and feel sad for them or think Im so happy I dont have to live like that. That is Empathy. Lots of conervatives have empathy. What we DONT have is the will to force everyone else to pay more taxes to get them off the street. Thats forcable charity, not empathy

Er, what I bolded is not empathy. Perhaps that why conservatives don't understand that they don't have empathy.

Empathy is, by definition, the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. Happy that you aren't one of "them" is definitely not empathy.

[Orlong]

Because you're trying to draw a fundamentally silly distinction between "classified information", and information "relating to national defense". Unless that material is classified, it doesn't materially "relate to national defense", unless you think things like civilians watching a Navy ship leave port is a breach off the Espionage Act. The distinction is largely in place because there are potentially pieces of information that are classified but do not relate to national defense, so revealing those wouldn't fall under the Espionage Act (though they would, under other regulations). For instance, revealing the classified details of IRS tax files on private citizens would be a breach of classified material, but as it doesn't relate to national defense, it wouldn't count under the Espionage Act specifically.

"Relating to national defense" is a subset of "classified information", not a separate category.

And regardless, you still haven't established that any such information was communicated willfully, which is a required element.

I suppose you also have no problem with Hillary directing her maid to print out classified documents on a regular basement, despite the fact that she didnt have a security clearance?

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton routinely asked her maid to print out sensitive government e-mails and documents — including ones containing classified information — from her house in Washington, DC, e-mails and FBI memos show. But the housekeeper lacked the security clearance to handle such material.

Clinton entrusted far more than the care of her DC residence, known as Whitehaven, to Santos. She expected the Filipino immigrant to handle state secrets, further opening the Democratic presidential nominee to criticism that she played fast and loose with national security.

Clinton would first receive highly sensitive e-mails from top aides at the State Department and then request that they, in turn, forward the messages and any attached documents to Santos to print out for her at the home.

Among other things, Clinton requested Santos print out drafts of her speeches, confidential memos and “call sheets” — background information and talking points prepared for the secretary of state in advance of a phone call with a foreign head of state.

Santos also had access to a highly secure room called an SCIF (sensitive compartmented information facility) that diplomatic security agents set up at Whitehaven, according to FBI notes from an interview with Abedin.

From within the SCIF, Santos — who had no clearance — “collected documents from the secure facsimile machine for Clinton,” the FBI notes revealed.

Just how sensitive were the papers Santos presumably handled? The FBI noted Clinton periodically received the Presidential Daily Brief — a top-secret document prepared by the CIA and other US intelligence agencies — via the secure fax.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton...ied-materials/

[Mormolyce]

I suppose you also have no problem with Hillary directing her maid to print out classified documents on a regular basement, despite the fact that she didnt have a security clearance?



http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton...ied-materials/

Both Classified Emails Were Retroactively Classified At The Lowest Level Of Classification Years After The Fact, Consistent With Agency Practice

Confidential Emails Were Classified After The Fact And Originated From Clinton Aide. Neither of the two classified emails referenced by the New York Post were sent by Clinton, and Clinton did not make any request for Santos to print either email. Both emails were classified years after the fact -- one in October 2015, and another in January 2016 -- at the lowest level of classification, “confidential.” The sole case the Post cited of Clinton asking for a message to be printed was not classified. [U.S. Department Of State, 10/30/15; 1/29/16]

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...history/214345

Ba-bow.

[Wyrt]

I suppose you also have no problem with Hillary directing her maid to print out classified documents on a regular basement, despite the fact that she didnt have a security clearance?

A little, but mismanaged emails is nothing compared to the racist fascist that is Trump.

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I suppose you also have no problem with Hillary directing her maid to print out classified documents on a regular basement, despite the fact that she didnt have a security clearance?

http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton...ied-materials/

Like Mormolyce pointed out (and I'm only responding because you directed this right at me), the entire claim here is basically a lie. It just straight-up didn't happen.

[Orlong]

My link that prosecutorial discretion exists? Google it.

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Did I say that I wasn't?

Prosecutorial discretion is bullshit too and should be illegal. Either someone broke the law or they didnt. If they broke the law they should be prosecuted, period! And I couldnt find a single line in the Constituion saying its OK either

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You do realize the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton bank account aren't the same thing, right? The Clintons donate to their own foundation every year. Sometimes in the millions.

Podesta's emails say differently. Chelsea used Foundation money to pay for her wedding and living expenses for a year

Doug Band, formerly a top aide to President Bill Clinton, griped about the former First Daughter’s spending in a Jan. 4, 2012, email released by WikiLeaks.

“The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents….” Band wrote to John Podesta, now Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.

“I hope that you will speak to her and end this. Once we go down this road….”

http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/chelsea...edding-emails/

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Prosecutorial discretion is bullshit too and should be illegal. Either someone broke the law or they didnt. If they broke the law they should be prosecuted, period! And I couldnt find a single line in the Constituion saying its OK either

By that (silly) argument, you shouldn't have trials, either; either they broke the law and should go to prison, or they didn't and no one should bother them. Prosecutorial discretion exists to allow prosecutors to decide whether a case ]could be made. It's a fundamentally necessary component, because otherwise, you're arguing that every crackpot accusation without any evidence to support it should result in a full-blown criminal trial, every time. If I accuse you, not even knowing where you live, of stealing my bicycle last night, even if you have a rock-solid alibi thousands of miles away, your argument is that prosecutors have to bring that case and you have to go to court, because they should have no discretion to look at my total lack of evidence or argument and decide it's not worth pursuing.

[Wyrt]

Podesta's emails say differently. Chelsea used Foundation money to pay for her wedding and living expenses for a year




http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/chelsea...edding-emails/

And? You realize Hillary is not the same as the Clinton Foundation right? If the Foundation did something wrong then the Foundation is what's in trouble. I assume the worst that this would do is require them to pay a tax penalty.

[Orlong]

And? You realize Hillary is not the same as the Clinton Foundation right? If the Foundation did something wrong then the Foundation is what's in trouble. I assume the worst that this would do is require them to pay a tax penalty.

She RUNS the foundation. She should he held accountable for everything they do, the same way the CEO of Wells Fargo is being held accountable for thousands of employees signing pcustomers up without their knowledge for new accounts, even though he didnt sign up a single account