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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayirasi View Post
    S4E1 felt like it needed to be longer, or just focused on one or two characters first.
    Yeah there was alot of jumping around where it felt like we didn't really get the proper introduction to a season premiere

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    Good thing recap videos exist
    THIS!!

    Esp. after the extra-long haitus for some of our favorite shows over the Pandemic years - we've relied on youtube recap videos for a whole slew of shows returning this year. Westworld was absolutely one of them!

    We really only needed it for s3 though - s1/s2 being a more coherent and engaging storyline (to us) and knowing we felt still 'confused' about everything (keeping characters straight especially) at the end of s3 when it was fresh. A season 3 recap video was VERY helpful.

    Also found out we missed the post-credits sceneS at the season 3 finale so....very glad we watched a recap! =D

    As for first episode - outside of thinking the show was ending just fine at the end of last season - it was 'alright.' I mean its just a first episode so I don't ask for much more than what we got - an establishment of "when/where" some (if not all) of our main characters are now and what plot point we're picking up on for the season. Check and check.

    I'm actually more confused by statements made in an article I've read since watching the Season Opener then anything in the show. Those statements have to do with the show stating that Christine is NOT Delores and was "never meant to be Delores or be seen as her." And all I can think is, "bullshit - if you didn't want Christine to be seen, or assumed (however wrongly) to be connected to Delores you wouldn't have used the same actress. You know how you set this show up and how it works. Don't pretend it wasn't purposeful - even if its purpose was to confuse the viewers until they figured it out." But that's nothing to do with the show itself, as I said.

    I just hope this season is more coherent and easier to track than Season 3. Using everyone and their host-clones-whatever as double-triple-characters was a bit much. Or as hubby commented, "They went Battlestar with it - He's a Cylon - she's a cylon - they're a cylon! Everyone's a cylon!" (meant as an insulting statement - hubby thought it was dumb in BSG too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Yeah there was alot of jumping around where it felt like we didn't really get the proper introduction to a season premiere
    Yeah, and there are still quite a bit of returning characters we need to be brought back up to speed on. Hoping the next few episodes don't feel as disjointed.

    E2 open up some fun possibilities, even if it might remind me of every TNG holodeck episode with Picard playing a gumshoe. That's not a bad thing.

    Previous poster was right. What was turning into an interesting E3 spin became everyone's a Cylon. Oh! Daniel Wu!
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    Anyone still watching? Ep 4 was finally something worth of Westworld. Worth the build-up.

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    After episode 4 I can't shake the suspicion that Caleb actually signed up for a hardcore meta version of Westworld. The clue is that the Golden Age Westworld group already played the easter egg where they tried to escape their own WestWorld. Caleb is playing the serious version of that.

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    Ah, OK. Caleb was stuck in a loop similar to William's dad, and broke free. Kinda. Nice. And thank you, time skip, for yadda-yaddaing annoying daughter into lady.
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    I won't block it out as I realized that's not 'for this thread' but for those who might be behind - I will put this -

    SPOILER WARNING BELOW! =D


    I really appreciated the "twist" - totes didn't realize we were dealing with the two separate timelines up until the reveal so that was cool.

    I'd been waiting for the 'reveal' of Caleb being a droid (and just not knowing it himself) since we got the first flash, in the first episode, of him 'bleeding out' in the sand. I had thought that was when they were going to reveal he was droid-i-fied and it was Maive "saving him" and then not telling him. So good on the show for making it NOT that particular moment. But Very BUMMED Maive was "killed" - hoping/thinking they are bringing her back 'alive' since they dug her out, and not just harvesting her parts =D. She's my favorite character.

    And if I'm understanding the twist - that does mean that ALL humans, outside of those in the desert, are Fly-Mind-Controlled by the giant sound-wave-maker (for lack of a better term =D). So the "modern day Delores" real person is one of them, though, with her recent 'wierdness' and the image she painted on top of her regular painting in the last episode, are obvious signs she's 'breaking out' of that mind control (? best guess anyway). And possibly her roommate too, with that nightmare of hers - but that could also just be a redirect/distraction by the HIVEMIND (general term) in control.

    And DID Caleb "break free" or is this just the moments of clarity they allow him before they re-boot his brain and put him back in the "re-live the horrible because we want to torture you" mind-chamber. And is there another point to doing that to him - because I really didn't quite get the "why?". WHY have him relive all this 250+ times, and why are they (the Hivemind/Android side) trying to get him to "wake up?" out of it. Or did the Superior Android just turn full psycho-movie-villian and that's their only motivation (to make him suffer)? I'm still fuzzy on the POINT of all that time/resources on a single human (Caleb) - but maybe that too will be explained more as we go.

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    I think the hivemind is using Caleb as training in a simulated arms race. See how long they can control him until he breaks free, and then tailor the settings based on what the learned for the next iteration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    I really appreciated the "twist" - totes didn't realize we were dealing with the two separate timelines up until the reveal so that was cool.
    Yeah exactly. Was a good idea to ease off on all the twisty stuff in the third season. That way it became a palate cleanser for this season. And I'm enjoying seeing so much stuff that I expected to happen in the 3rd season to finally play out anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayirasi View Post
    Yeah, and there are still quite a bit of returning characters we need to be brought back up to speed on. Hoping the next few episodes don't feel as disjointed.

    E2 open up some fun possibilities, even if it might remind me of every TNG holodeck episode with Picard playing a gumshoe. That's not a bad thing.

    Previous poster was right. What was turning into an interesting E3 spin became everyone's a Cylon. Oh! Daniel Wu!
    It seems very fast pace still...like the reveal we just had would've took a whole season of exploring

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    Anyone still watching? Ep 4 was finally something worth of Westworld. Worth the build-up.
    It was a good twist, that we had theories on...but it still feels like the show is just speeding through things right now its not really trying to explore what it builds..atleast yet maybe they just needed this reveal before getting to the deeper ins and outs

  10. #1230
    really digging the 'Age of Ultron' vibe with season 4. it has grabbed my attention quite completely.

    love that delores basically became Ultron

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    Well the acting is really taking a leap off a cliff. These actors all can do better. Did they hurry the production or something?

    At least the plot and the ideas are sufficient to carry the show. But geez, this isn't HBO standards.

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    This season has been quite a pleasant surprise, it made the messy third season worth something actually.

    My only suspicion is they are just wasting the remaining episodes to set up a next season as it slowed down quite dramatically after the big plot twist. For example a lot of the Caleb scenes could have been cut in half and still make the same impact storywise.

    I think the show is at it's best when it debates about human nature, artifical intelligence and free will. Not really following individual characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    This season has been quite a pleasant surprise, it made the messy third season worth something actually.

    My only suspicion is they are just wasting the remaining episodes to set up a next season as it slowed down quite dramatically after the big plot twist. For example a lot of the Caleb scenes could have been cut in half and still make the same impact storywise.

    I think the show is at it's best when it debates about human nature, artifical intelligence and free will. Not really following individual characters.

    True, this latest episode though... holy cow!!! On par with S1 ending for me. Actually. Best episode of the show by far.
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    After watching the Season 4, Episode 5 (so two episodes ago now I guess lol) - all I could think was:

    "...its a better Matrix IV than Matrix IV."

    Really awesome episode, so far the best episode (to me) in the last two seasons. As RH92 said above - show is best when its digging into the big philosophical stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    True, this latest episode though... holy cow!!! On par with S1 ending for me. Actually. Best episode of the show by far.
    Yeah, this one was great. I've been on the edge of my seat for entire episode.

    I am really excited for the finale, so many questions waiting to be answered. Honestly can't wait.

    I wonder what is the deal with Teddy, isn't it kind of weird he suddenly shows up and knows all this stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    I wonder what is the deal with Teddy, isn't it kind of weird he suddenly shows up and knows all this stuff?
    I think since Dolores doesn’t actually exist in that world, Teddy may be a manifestation that she created to help her snap outta her "reality". Like she subconsciously already knew what was happening and her mind needed help from someone that she trusts to show her.
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    Underwhelming finale... felt like a series finale, which I hope it is, because they can't turn it around after that.

    They should've ended it apocalyptically and with the final words: These violent delights have violent ends. It would've fit much better than 'we will free ourselves'... from who?

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    It's super bleak but pretty interesting how they're kind of setting up a SOMA ending season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    Underwhelming finale... felt like a series finale, which I hope it is, because they can't turn it around after that.

    They should've ended it apocalyptically and with the final words: These violent delights have violent ends. It would've fit much better than 'we will free ourselves'... from who?
    I somewhat disagree... The show comes full circle I think, the whole show might have been just one of the simulations in the end.

    I think the ending was fitting, because it's really the one thing you can't answer. Does the artifical intelligence really has a free will when it is bound by encoded human emotion? The hosts in the show repeat the same mistakes as human do and the question is whether they can free themselves from being vengeful, petty and vain bastards. It was an exercise in whether hosts can be better than humans and 'transcend'.

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    This season has very wild quality swings between episodes, like Bernard has the ability to do all these calculations and yet he can't find a solution to a realistically small technical problem that the MiB-host creates? I thought they had something more than what I saw in this last episode, I'm more disappointed in this season finale than the season 3 arc.

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