Could the Nazis ever have successfully invaded the USA?

[AeneasBK]

I got the impression they were trying pretty hard during world war 2. Some might even say trying their hardest.

So I guess not :S

[Tyrathius]

They'd have probably tried if they ever realistically stood a chance at succeeding.

They didn't.

[yetgdhfgh]

I got the impression they were trying pretty hard during world war 2. Some might even say trying their hardest.

So I guess not :S

This is a hypothetical question where the USA never got involved and stayed completely neutral and Japan never launched the attack on Pearl Harbour. Its funny how history couldve turned out had it not been for a few moments in history.

[Shadowferal]

I dislike playing such "what if?" games, especially when it was found out just how badly Nazi Germany was limping along after Barbarossa was such an exercise in failure.

Stupid mistakes:
1.) Germany never invaded England...and they could have.
2.) Germany backstabbed Russia at the wrong time. (Had they been at least a month earlier....or even better for them, had they kept Russia as an ally a bit longer...)
3.) Germany wasted their best generals for nothing. (Rommel was a fine example)
4.) Germany didn't take enough time to consolidate their gains before declaring war against the US.

The list can go on. But their was too much stupid on the Nazi side of things that buried what scary brilliance there was in the first years.

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They'd have probably tried if they ever realistically stood a chance at succeeding.

They didn't.

They could have tried the political arena.
It sucks to say but Germany did have sympathizers in congress as well as those pushing for strict neutrality.

[yetgdhfgh]

I dislike playing such "what if?" games, especially when it was found out just how badly Nazi Germany was limping along after Barbarossa was such an exercise in failure.

Stupid mistakes:
1.) Germany never invaded England...and they could have.
2.) Germany backstabbed Russia at the wrong time. (Had they been at least a month earlier....or even better for them, had they kept Russia as an ally a bit longer...)
3.) Germany wasted their best generals for nothing. (Rommel was a fine example)
4.) Germany didn't take enough time to consolidate their gains before declaring war against the US.

The list can go on. But their was too much stupid on the Nazi side of things that buried what scary brilliance there was in the first years.

Thing was Barbarossa started out as a massive success cause Stalin never saw it coming and even when he did he kept nearly all his reserved back east cause he went the whole Napoleon tactic and it worked but had Germany not need to waste resources fighting the British in Africa then thing might have turned out different.

[Macaquerie]

Uh, what? No really, what?

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it like that. The point I was trying to make was that if you are looking to take over the US for the sole purpose of exploiting the land for resources you're going to fall far short of the value that the economy is capable of generating on its own.

[yetgdhfgh]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it like that. The point I was trying to make was that if you are looking to take over the US for the sole purpose of exploiting the land for resources you're going to fall far short of the value that the economy is capable of generating on its own.

The Nazis by then wouldve controlled nearly all the resources on planet earth so when they decide to take on the US it would not be for financial gain it would be for hitlers ego and his hatred of the jews.

[Guy4123]

Thats the thing capability

Back then his naval forces wouldve been decimated by the Royal Navy but with those out of the equation and with the US navy split had they taken the Panama canal plus it was the entry into WW2 that forced the USA to fund research into Atomic bombs somthing the Nazis already knew about so had the US not undertaken the manhattan project the Nazis couldve gotten the bomb by maybe 1947 dont forget the Heroes of telemark who crippled the hard water factory and that raid would never have happend!

So the Nazis wouldve gotten the bomb way before the US and with that it wouldve been Game, Set and Match!

The problem is you're making a lot of large assumptions with little basis in reality. The Germans had no capability to invade the UK through the sea and had no capability to gain air superiority either. They had no way of knocking the UK out of the war as quickly as you seem to be assuming.

They also attacked Russia when they did because they had to. They couldn't do it any earlier because they were still busy in the rest of Europe and if they waited longer they would of started during the winter and when Russia was in a stronger position so they would of lost Barbarossa even faster than they did. Japan would of had no impact on Russia since throughout the war Russia had enough divisions stationed in the east to counter anything the Japanese could of mustered and those divisions stayed their even when Germany was invading.


For your scenario to actually work, the Royal Navy needs to not exist, the Royal Air Force needs to not exist, and the Germans need to roll over Russia before the winter began.

Also 1947 is being extremely generous for Nazi Germany getting an Atomic bomb.

I dislike playing such "what if?" games, especially when it was found out just how badly Nazi Germany was limping along after Barbarossa was such an exercise in failure.

Stupid mistakes:
1.) Germany never invaded England...and they could have.
2.) Germany backstabbed Russia at the wrong time. (Had they been at least a month earlier....or even better for them, had they kept Russia as an ally a bit longer...)
3.) Germany wasted their best generals for nothing. (Rommel was a fine example)
4.) Germany didn't take enough time to consolidate their gains before declaring war against the US.

The list can go on. But their was too much stupid on the Nazi side of things that buried what scary brilliance there was in the first years.

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They could have tried the political arena.
It sucks to say but Germany did have sympathizers in congress as well as those pushing for strict neutrality.

Operation Sea Lion was more fiction than Harry Potter. It would of been the most disastrous attempt at an amphibious landing in history. The Germans had zero capability of invading England.

[Independent voter]

By the time Hitler assembled a big enough armada to do a landing on the US, the US would've had nukes.

The US funded the Soviet Union.

[yetgdhfgh]

The problem is you're making a lot of large assumptions with little basis in reality. The Germans had no capability to invade the UK through the sea and had no capability to gain air superiority either. They had no way of knocking the UK out of the war as quickly as you seem to be assuming.

They also attacked Russia when they did because they had to. They couldn't do it any earlier because they were still busy in the rest of Europe and if they waited longer they would of started during the winter and when Russia was in a stronger position so they would of lost Barbarossa even faster than they did. Japan would of had no impact on Russia since throughout the war Russia had enough divisions stationed in the east to counter anything the Japanese could of mustered and those divisions stayed their even when Germany was invading.


For your scenario to actually work, the Royal Navy needs to not exist, the Royal Air Force needs to not exist, and the Germans need to roll over Russia before the winter began.

Also 1947 is being extremely generous for Nazi Germany getting an Atomic bomb.

Britain is a island country that depends on oil from the middle east back then. You must remember there was huge support for appeasement after dunkirk but Churchill had non of it now sure during the battle for britain they couldve repelled any land invasion but soon when the oil ran out and there was no way to fuel tractors and britain started to starve then that is the time to say OK its time to make a deal.

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By the time Hitler assembled a big enough armada to do a landing on the US, the US would've had nukes.

The US funded the Soviet Union.

The USSR wouldve been gone by then and the US wouldve stayed neutral for too long to have invested the resources to make an atomic bomb.

[Santti]

No. Not even close.

[Guy4123]

Britain is a island country that depends on oil from the middle east back then. You must remember there was huge support for appeasement after dunkirk but Churchill had non of it now sure during the battle for britain they couldve repelled any land invasion but soon when the oil ran out and there was no way to fuel tractors and britain started to starve then that is the time to say OK its time to make a deal.

Britain itself was getting most of it's oil from the US. The oil refined in the Middle East was being used to fuel the campaign in the Middle East. You now have to make another huge assumption and say that the US would stop selling oil to Britain because that's a completely stupid economic decision the US wouldn't of made.

Britain also had a large oil reserve that would of lasted at least 6 months, so assuming the US do something incredibly retarded you now have Britain suing for peace in the beginning of 1941, and now Germany has no hope of taking Russia.


Edit: This is still all assuming the Royal Navy doesn't exist and the Germans could actually isolate England by the waters.

[Aori]

What if, is weird. Assuming the US didn't get involved because of Japans attack also means Japan would have finished China and focused on Russia. I also don't believe for a second Germany wouldn't have eventually declared war on Japan at some point or vice versa. Japan and Germany would have eventually gone to war with each other.

[McFuu]

No, Nazi Germany could not invade the US. Germany couldn't even invade England, I'd they did invade England, the closest they would get to victory would be phyyric at best. Their air campaign was disastrous, inflicting massive losses that Germany's production or resources couldn't maintain. Much like Russia, North America is basically impossible to invade. It's too large, and has natural defenses surrounding it.

[Deleted]

At the time maybe but alot of South American countries like Argentina certainly had pro Nazi feeling but it wouldnt matter cause they certainly wouldve seen where the wind was blowing plus during WW1 Germany almost made Mexico invade the US southwest it was one of the reasons the US went to war against Germany back in WW1

It was a message that was intercepted with the suggestion that this should be done. It was ONE, of the reasons that the US became convinced.

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No, Nazi Germany could not invade the US. Germany couldn't even invade England, I'd they did invade England, the closest they would get to victory would be phyyric at best. Their air campaign was disastrous, inflicting massive losses that Germany's production or resources couldn't maintain. Much like Russia, North America is basically impossible to invade. It's too large, and has natural defenses surrounding it.

Because they were fighting on two fronts. They had fucked up the moment they pissed off too many people at once.

[PACOX]

The only way they could have taken the US was politically from the inside out.

The US is too large and obsesses about war, even back then. The US was far too rich and industrial back then, it also sits on resource rich land. Russia repelled Russia in the middle of the winter. What do you think a think a country eager to fight with more resources than it needed would do to the Germans? I'm not trying to be biased but Russia and the continential United States among around the hardest lands to attack as an invader and Germany failed at attacked the poorer one.

[breadisfunny]

All of the countries in South America at the exception of Chile had declared war on Germany.

argentina may have declared war but did they really hate germany? post war history says no.

also it's likely that hitler could have eventually succeeded since he was researching rockets. and his u boats reigned supreme.
he also had plenty of facist converts and still does here in the u.s.
there are still plenty of white supremecy movements here in the u.s. thriving today.
complete with pictures of hitler,himmler and reinhard and nazi flags.

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By the time Hitler assembled a big enough armada to do a landing on the US, the US would've had nukes.

The US funded the Soviet Union.

and so would have hitler. because russia has the resources to make plenty of nukes. and hitler would have been insane enough to use them without regard for human life. the nazis already were researching the atomic bomb they just weren't as far as the u.s.

[BelziBhaal]

For an example, did you know the Nazi's sent pre-teens to the beaches alone so they could get pregnant and produce more german children? sick fucking shit.

Source?

Also, back in the 30s, it was unheard of for a "pre-teen" as you put it to get pregnant. The average age of onset of puberty was ~14.

[Wells]

They hardly had the navy for that. U-boats don't take coastlines.

[breadisfunny]

they didnt want to

hitler didn't want to because he was hell bent on invading russia and destroying the communist menace and really didn't want to fight britian that badly.