Anyone else not feel like PVPing this expansion?

[Gully Man]

I dont know what it is. But lately I log into do my WQs, maybe grind some artrifact power, do a bg then log off if it's not a raid night. Previous expansions I always wanted to do arenas / bgs but this expansion its like meh. What's changed?

I feel the same. I have no reason to PvP anymore. I used to do it because it was the only way i could gear my character to a decent standard and i enjoyed the progression of buying a new item each week and feeling stronger. Now the gearing system is RNG bollocks, meaning i'm not guaranteed to upgrade a slot each week. I've also managed to get an ilvl of 863 through WQs/crafting/world bosses and i think i'd need a rating of 1800-2000 in pvp to get similar ilvl gear. That rating is probably within my reach, but there's no point to do it purely on the basis that an item i get might go up +5/+10/+15 ilvls. It's more likely to be a cloak or trinket i got the week before.

[Thelxi]

Yeah. It's hard to blame a single thing, but PvP participation is very low atm. Blizzard would probably say that PvE is so awesome that people simply don't have time for PvP, but I think they broke what worked decently well for many years. All we can do is wait and see if participation picks up or plummets even further. If it does, Blizzard will be forced to admit failure and change things up considerably during a patch instead of waiting a couple of years till the next expansion.

I think that among other things, not having a clear reward and gearing path deducts from the experience. For me at least PvP was always one of the biggest incentives to play my alts. I enjoyed leveling an alt, getting them geared up in full honor with a bit of conquest gear, and then just playing and learning while getting more and more conquest gear. It was a satisfying side-project. Now this is impossible for many reasons, but mostly due to the RNG cesspit that is PvP gearing atm.

[Dawon]

Used to be a pvper, I'm not touching this in Legion.. it's completely out of hand and NOT FUN...

[Gatsbybutters]

If you were only looking forward to "pwning the noob" in previous expansions then thats not something that was right with the game, it was something that was, and probably still is, wrong with you.

This right now is a total mess because of the gearing process and the glaring imbalances between melee and casters, including even less customization and optimisation that lies in the players hands. The devs that are at the helm right now are doing everything, so that the user has no choice left in order to truly optimize his class and suit it to his playstyle. Remember, this is still an mmorpg, yet the rpg elements and stat optimising is almost gone, the only part where there is still a bit of it left is pve.

And they wont tire to keep telling you that they are doing this for the good of the game so that they can balance it better. Yeah guys, guess what? If you already strip it down so much and then you still cant get it done, there might be that off chance, that they are just not good enough at their job... and perhaps it might be better for the game, to give some control back to the players, instead of failing time and time again... this is going on since cata, when they first started pruning stuff and taking choice away, and the game has been in decline since then, because with every new addon, the games combat system feels more and more shallow.

That's the point of mmo's though. Meridian, ultima, eq, doac, your goal was to be the best, get the shiniest gear, and rain down vengeance for all the times you got rekt while moving up, whether it was enemy players, or all clearing all those god damn gnolls in blackburrow with one aoe. This isn't an mmorpg, at least not for a while now.

[Anax]

ITT: I can't one shot terribles anymore, so pvp sucks.

[Gatsbybutters]

ITT: I can't one shot terribles anymore, so pvp sucks.

Ya that's fine. But what if missed one shotting and being one shot? The climb and being at the top? The way every other mmo was designed to be, until this pop culture pc super accessible cash cow clogged up the market. I tried to like it. I wanted to like it. It says it's an mmo. It's just not.

[ComputerNerd]

I'd argue that even though PvP gear is gone, gear is still somewhat relevant. And there's AP grind and Honor talent grind as well (minor though the later may be for committed PvPers).

Bottomline, the amount you've grinded for your character will still increase your win-chance, just less so. I definitely feel a lot weaker on characters that have just dinged 110 than on my main.

People are exaggerating the importance of gear in PvP now.
Perhaps it is the lack of more tangible reward, a more obvious power increase.
But if you do it for that only, then I would say it is the player that is the problem.

It is a one-way progression now outside of results.

Ya that's fine. But what if missed one shotting and being one shot? The climb and being at the top? The way every other mmo was designed to be, until this pop culture pc super accessible cash cow clogged up the market. I tried to like it. I wanted to like it. It says it's an mmo. It's just not.

then you should be in another game.
That is not PvP.
If there is no versus component, no ability to react then that has become something altogether different and is only fun for those on the distributing end, never on the receiving.

[Deleted]

ITT: I can't one shot terribles anymore, so pvp sucks.

But everybody is 1 shotting everybody. That's the point.

[Gatsbybutters]

But everybody is 1 shotting everybody. That's the point.

And that's the main issue. Everyone says but it's balance and fair and what pvp should be! A: war isnt balance or fair. B: It's still a broken mess.
I just don't get how you can defend it.

[Caolela]

then you should be in another game.

That's illogical. If WoW was a sub fee only (didn't have to buy the base game or xpacs) then simply quitting would be fine. You don't pay the sub and you don't play but no other money lost, like if you change ISPs or insurance.

But people have a fair amount of money and time/effort invested in WoW; however if they don't pay subs (or grind tokens) then they can't use the product they paid for (except F2P to lvl 20 and a lot of restrictions).

Saying "just quit" is thus not a good answer to having your product constantly fucked up worse than when you first bought it. Unless Blizz refunded all or part of your purchase price (say pro-rated it) when they change the game and you're no longer satisfied. You can bet they'd do things a lot differently if they had to refund bad xpacs or patches.

[Ealyssa]

WOW pvp died in cata.

[dm10169]

** Raise hand **

0 Upgrades after 500 wins, gear wise. 30+ hours of PVP, no gear upgrades - a lot of stress, No Incentive! BROKEN, BROKEN, BROKEN!
0 Rewards with my Secondary Stat.... which to me is vendor trash.

[Tatsujin]

I dont know what it is. But lately I log into do my WQs, maybe grind some artrifact power, do a bg then log off if it's not a raid night. Previous expansions I always wanted to do arenas / bgs but this expansion its like meh. What's changed?

The new stat templates are alright, I can live with that. But the World PvP is bad and as you have said, the gear is so freaking dull. Marks of Honor take so much time to grind or if you're lucky enough to grind it out in Ashran.

Honestly man ... the developers mostly PvE than PvP, so you can tell they just tweaked few things around and dumped the whole system down. Sigh ... double sigh. They say, "YOU'RE GOING TO BE SO EXCITED FOR THE GEAR YOU'LL BE GETTING!" What freaking gear man ........

[Rolex Snob]

PvP is dead, there is such an inbalance and I have a strong feeling that Holinka is low man on the totem pole in the dev world. Seriously, it's the weakest link in wow currently. It's a shame since I always was a pvp first kinda player. RIP pvp!

[Snegovik]

I have 2 issues with pvp 1) too much f burst in game, by numerous classes: Destro, WW, FDk, etc

2) RNG loot and No Elite gear Vendors, this is the biggest let down for me, since i LOVE collecting elite gear xmogs but for past 2 weeks i got f relics .... not a single Elite gear peace for my xmog collection even though i am above 2k...and yet blizzard said they have a system to prevent same loot, i got 6 f relics and 0 gear peaces wtf Blizzard?

[mmowin]

Pvp's kinda missing the carrot. 2-3 hour of arena'ing for the 10 wins just for an item that might or might not be an upgrade what you're already using is kinda meh.

Agreed. If they reduced it to 5 wins it would be a lot better. 10 wins as it stands is way too much time.

[Rascal Bob]

Pvp's kinda missing the carrot. 2-3 hour of arena'ing for the 10 wins just for an item that might or might not be an upgrade what you're already using is kinda meh.

Agreed. If they reduced it to 5 wins it would be a lot better. 10 wins as it stands is way too much time.

God... You can't call yourself a pvp'er and still take 2-3 hours before you get 10 wins I mean come on. If you don't see yourself as a PvP player then you shouldn't expect the greatest of items for just a little bit of time. I mean PvE players have been saying that for years. If you don't PvE outside of LFR you can't expect the best of gear( no effort, not looking into guides/comps and how to play them how to counter how classes work.)

I'm far from a PvP God, I'm not bad and I'm not great. But it takes me around or under an hour to get those wins.

Can't you guys just enjoy the ride? It's always rewards this rewards that. I PvP just because of the People element. I like raiding but if I have to do it exclusively I'll probably go nuts. I have to agree that since 7.1 PvP feels kind of crazy but before 7.1 I saw a lot of classes playing pvp you rarely saw before, more comp diversity. And that's what I like.

If you just don't smash your keyboard after each loss but just contemplate on what you could've done different you'll get a lot further in terms of rating/gear.

[Clone]

I still like the new template system a lot more than before. PvP should always be about skill. The only upgrade you should get out of it is upgrading your skill through practice.

Random gear with random secondary stats suck though. Can't count the times I've gotten a capes with shit stats.

[Mafic]

ITT: I can't one shot terribles anymore, so pvp sucks.

Everyone is globaling each other and this is with the template system nerfing some entire classes by 50% LMAO.

[Snegovik]

Everyone is globaling each other and this is with the template system nerfing some entire classes by 50% LMAO.

Sad part ppl can kill experienced players in 2 globals through their defensive CDs popped, if they get procs