7.1.5 PTR update.

[angra]

Rofl these buffs are such trash for fire, they're almost completely negated by the crit nerf and pyretic incantation nerf. These devs are trash.

[schwarzkopf]

To make slipstream more appealing, they should reduce blink and displacement GCD to 0.5 sec for all specs.

I think slipstream would be better if it also increased your movement speed 15% per arcane charge whilst channelling.

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not having to walk can also be a bad thing.

Not sure when - shimmer+displacement pretty much means I rarely have to actually 'move' as such. Something coming my way, blink, it's gone - displacement back and I still have two charges.

[Lulbalance]

Yeah - Shimmer will still be mandatory on that row.

You're out of your mind if you think shimmer is better than that.

[schwarzkopf]

You're out of your mind if you think shimmer is better than that.

If being correct and sensible is something you call 'out of your mind' - then I welcome the tag.

[Elboba]

Base (spell touch tip) values live to PTR for Fire.
Keen to see the actual DPS change, although i think ill be sitting pretty as I have the lego helm.

Live - PTR
Fireball 65219 - 74579
Pyro 138841 - 155178
Scorch 17096 - 20500
Phoenix 102572 - 34190 dot -112000 37000 dot
Meteor 192321 -51280 dot -376313 95000 dot
FireBlast 59354 -67873

METEOR

[Lulbalance]

If being correct and sensible is something you call 'out of your mind' - then I welcome the tag.

lol if you say so, man. I guess we'll see

[Wootmonkey]

@WarcraftDevs
The datamined change to the increased mana costs from Arcane Charges is also a tooltip bug; it will remain at a 125% increase per charge.

[hasublade]

@WarcraftDevs
The datamined change to the increased mana costs from Arcane Charges is also a tooltip bug; it will remain at a 125% increase per charge.

GG then. RIP mages. No valuable spec..

[schwarzkopf]

lol if you say so, man. I guess we'll see

Shimmer : can move instantly and cast
Slipstream : can move slowly and cast.

Such a difficult decision

[Wenoxar]

Blizzard be like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

I quite feel sad

[Lebanese Dude]

Shimmer : can move instantly and cast
Slipstream : can move slowly and cast.

Such a difficult decision

Sometimes you just want to inch forward, such as when you're standing on RoP.

Shimmer also has a 15 second recharge. Yes you can Displacement but you can't always return to your position.

Slipstream also secures Evocation.

[Brogar]

PI got nerfed to 2% rip

[pyrostorm9001]

Any time that would happen, walking would also cancel your AM.

If you plan on walking past the target then sure? but if you only want to move a short distance and blink is too far no.
On a side note, if people can see value in 2 different talents on the same row for different reasons and are prepared to argue what is better for their playstyle then its probably a good thing and shows that the talents can compete with one another and cater to different people.

[schwarzkopf]

Sometimes you just want to inch forward

The times that you want to inch forward are times that are planned, Shimmer has the huge advantage of being most useful in the 'oh shit' moments.

[mrgreenthump]

Rofl these buffs are such trash for fire, they're almost completely negated by the crit nerf and pyretic incantation nerf. These devs are trash.

Nope, they aren't even enough for that, it would need another 10% buff to be good. Not great, but good.

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Oh missed the pyrotic nerf, so we don't need 10% we need 20%

[Lebanese Dude]

The times that you want to inch forward are times that are planned, Shimmer has the huge advantage of being most useful in the 'oh shit' moments.

What?

I'm talking about RoP. Sometimes you need to readjust position, such as on Nythendra, Dragons, or many M+ encounters particularly on Volcanic.

Also you still have Blink without Shimmer. Your oh shit button is still there. You just interrupt the cast.

Don't get me wrong. Shimmer is strong, especially since it's off the GCD, but Slipstream has its own set of advantages that you can't ignore.

[schwarzkopf]

What?

Again - small planned movements can be ... well - planned for, take a step on a GCD, take a step or two on ABar etc.

The big advantage is being able to get a long way quickly whilst casting - that's where Shimmer wins.

[Lulbalance]

Again - small planned movements can be ... well - planned for, take a step on a GCD, take a step or two on ABar etc.

The big advantage is being able to get a long way quickly whilst casting - that's where Shimmer wins.

Eh..you still have a normal blink, you know that right? Casting during blinks is nice but bottom line is you don't need that many blinks for every encounter. If you have that much trouble in every fight maybe shimmer is for you, fair. If your positioning is moderately sound; you'll probably be playing SS.

It's a gameplay difference so no one is going to win that discussion. The only real exception I can see outside of 1 or 2 fights is shimmer being a constant in arena to land sheeps.

[Deleted]

7.1.5 in a nutshell: Changes are not final*

* because we have no idea what we're doing

[pixelated senpai]

Ill probably take shimmer since i have the legendary boots, which give us a 5 sec icy flows now. Anyone know how conserve phase will work now with arcane since the removal of quickening.