Germany to force Facebook, Google and Twitter to act on hate speech

[ranzino]

I remember when people made group named Saint Mary is a fucking dirty hoe with really ugly photoshops in comments and after reporting it nothing happened for about a week, but when someone said that Islam is exhorting to murder infidels the post was immediately deleted in 5 minutes after report.

If they're going to make it, then make it fair for everyone. I don't care, I don't write stupid stuff on the Facebook, I'm usually using it to contact with friends/family, liked a few groups connected with my hobbies... and that's all probably.

St. Mary cannot file for deletion, nor the archbishop or cardinal or the pope. Religion and its fairytales are fair game.

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"kill all muslims" is ofc not covered by freedom of speech; so far so good. but german laws are more into "political correctness" also.

Well, I can't really agree with that unless you show me a case where someone got into trouble for not being comme il faut

As far as I know, that's something people like to say but did never actually happen. I mean, that would mean the department of public prosecution is actually interested in that kind of shit, but in fact, it's not - which is why they want Facebook to handle it, so they don't have to trouble themselves with butthurt citizens that think they can sue, because "random guy on the internet said -".

At the same time, they also don't want to take action against people for just saying bullshit like "Let's get rid of that filth" on a bad day, but when refugee centers are being attacked or burned to the ground, they kinda have to do something and since you can't control every plattform, you need to get the provider to do something against it.

It's very similar to filesharing clients and sites. "We can't be made responsible for our users, if they upload warez/childporn it's their fault!"
The thing is though, if someone reports it, you better do something against it.

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And Hilary used CNN/NBC/ABC/Washington Post ect. to denounce hers.

No she doesnt. By point is still valid.

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"kill all muslims" is ofc not covered by freedom of speech; so far so good. but german laws are more into "political correctness" also.

Kill all anything is a call to action. Hate speech doesnt exist.

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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...op-hate-speech



Great stuff by the Germans!
Hopefully the fines are astronomical so that they will force these firms to act.

Let's all hope that other countries follow their lead.

Germany silencing all the political views they don't agree with? What year is it again?

[Slant]

"kill all muslims" is ofc not covered by freedom of speech; so far so good. but german laws are more into "political correctness" also.

Huh? Where you got this from? Hate speech is generally translated with Volksverhetzung, look it up and tell me that it's about political correctness... :P

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Germany silencing all the political views they don't agree with? What year is it again?

Some random dude making assumptions without having read either: 1. The article, 2. The proposed law, 3. Anything at all about Germany, 4. The OP. What year is it again? Oh right, it's 2016, the year of glorious shitposting.

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This is a highly moderated forum, and expressing my honest opinions on this topic will probable award me a permanent ban. For peoples who can think beyond the box, I will tell you only that: Germany will have same major problems as Sweden+France+UK in next 20-30 years.

[Mormolyce]

Ahahahahahahahahaha

Of course she is. Her swooning over culture killers, rapists and murderers shows how much of a bleeding heart liberal she is, and now she is going to use extremist methods in order to silence dissenting opinions against her government for fucking over Germany. In doing so, she is no better than Adolf Hitler.

If you ever feel like pulling your head out of the giant ass the internet has provided to you, you might want to google the CDU. It's Germany's right wing party.

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Kill all anything is a call to action. Hate speech doesnt exist.

You are of course aware that that is precisely how hate speech is legally defined in the US at least?

[ranzino]

Huh? Where you got this from? Hate speech is generally translated with Volksverhetzung, look it up and tell me that it's about political correctness... :P
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IMHO about political correctness more often than not. you dont have to like anybody and his grandma, but unless you call for their certain death or injuries "volksverhetzung" is too strong a word.

[Grimfrost]

Oh god here we go, i reported some people whom were openly supporting ISIS on facebook and facebook said it wasn't against their guidlines This will go great!

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This is a highly moderated forum, and expressing my honest opinions on this topic will probable award me a permanent ban. For peoples who can think beyond the box, I will tell you only that: Germany will have same major problems as Sweden+France+UK in next 20-30 years.

Sadly yes, I think its a bit off topic but MMO really needs an unmoderated section, perhaps only accessible with a certain post count requirement to weed out the advertisers and bots.

[Slant]

IMHO about political correctness more often than not. you dont have to like anybody and his grandma, but unless you call for their certain death or injuries "volksverhetzung" is too strong a word.

That's the point of the law, however. Do you understand why this topic is so ridiculous? It's not about someone saying he doesn't like the influx of refugees. It's about the dude saying all refugees are rapists, because that might instigate violent crimes against them.

[Bullettime]

Sadly yes, I think its a bit off topic but MMO really needs an unmoderated section, perhaps only accessible with a certain post count requirement to weed out the advertisers and bots.

And then it would get flooded by people like Dsc, Vyxn, etc spamming "conspiracy! fake news! cock sucking cuck liberals!" even more than they normally do. If anything, gen OT needs some harsher moderation to cut down on the bullshit slinging being done by both sides. The forum would just become another T_D or Alt Right.

But back OT.

Oh god here we go, i reported some people whom were openly supporting ISIS on facebook and facebook said it wasn't against their guidlines This will go great!

This kind of the major point. It would, ideally, force Facebook and Twitter to start at least attempting to do something about Muslim extremists, white supremacists, etc that actively use their platforms for recruitment and spread vile messages to slander others or encourage unlawful action.

It's not so much being the morality police like some keep spouting, nor is it it commanding those social media juggernauts to say locate and jail the individual. It's just saying "if you want to keep customers from our country, you'll remove the posts and accounts of these people."

[Slant]

Sadly yes, I think its a bit off topic but MMO really needs an unmoderated section, perhaps only accessible with a certain post count requirement to weed out the advertisers and bots.

What, so MMO-C becomes a nazi refuge? Which clientele do you think would frequent such an onmoderated section? Go to the dark corners of the internet and delve yourself in hatred there. Alas, you'll be accompanied by the lowest scum of humanity. It's your choice who you associate yourself with.

[Coombs]

People on the internet are fools, ignore them. I am dumbfounded as to why any government official needs a god damn Twitter or Facebook.

I for one have never had a Facebook, Twitter, or any other form of social media. If Germany passes this ridiculous, almost parody straight out of South Park's TrollTrace, law I will make one and bombard the officials with the most heinous of hate speech. Even if I don't believe or agree with most hate speech this is simply petty bullshit.

[igualitarist]

Usually those defending this extreme regulations on free speech are left wing people.

It would be fun to see how they would react if their country, with these restrictive laws, elects a conservative party, or a extreme right party.

The problem with this is that hate speech concept is so broad that it can be easily stretched to incorporate all the kinds of political conveniences, according to the ideology that has the power in a country.

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People on the internet are fools, ignore them. I am dumbfounded as to why any government official needs a god damn Twitter or Facebook.

I for one have never had a Facebook, Twitter, or any other form of social media. If Germany passes this ridiculous, almost parody straight out of South Park's TrollTrace, law I will make one and bombard the officials with the most heinous of hate speech. Even if I don't believe or agree with most hate speech this is simply petty bullshit.

What's wrong on using social media to communicate with your voters ?

[Bullettime]

Usually those defending this extreme regulations on free speech are left wing people.

It would be fun to see how they would react if their country, with these restrictive laws, elects a conservative party, or a extreme right party.

The problem with this is that hate speech concept is so broad that it can be easily stretched to incorporate all the kinds of political conveniences, according to the ideology that has the power in a country.

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What's wrong on using social media to communicate with your voters ?

To be fair, it's also the right of the country to enact these laws and Facebook/Twitter have to abide by the rules or lose out on their business there. They don't have to abide by Germany's laws, if passed. But if they don't, it's Germany's right to refuse them business in their country.

I don't see the harm, however, in pushing them to more actively crack down on extremist movements like ISIS and various white supremacy movements that actively use those sites to spread their garbage, slander those, and call for harm against others, which is mostly what it boils down to. Facebook and Twitter both have allowed those groups to do a significant amount of their recruiting through them and have refused to shut them down when reported. Germany is trying to light a fire under their ass.

[ranzino]

To be fair, it's also the right of the country to enact these laws and Facebook/Twitter have to abide by the rules or lose out on their business there.

I don't see the harm, however, in pushing them to more actively crack down on extremist movements like ISIS and various white supremacy movements that actively use those sites to spread their garbage, slander those, and call for harm against others, which is mostly what it boils down to. Facebook and Twitter both have allowed those groups to do a significant amount of their recruiting through them and have refused to shut them down when reported. Germany is trying to light a fire under their ass.

No problem with silencing ISIS and supremacy movements, but it'll be tip of the iceberg only.

[Bullettime]

No problem with silencing ISIS and supremacy movements, but it'll be tip of the iceberg only.

Except that's the main reason for this. If they truly started trying to play morality police, then that's a discussion for another time, albeit still within their rights.

As much as the internet needs to be free, private companies like that NEED to start being held accountable if they're knowingly allowing some of the shit to keep occurring that has been. If I owned a local Subway or say a barber shop and it became a hot spot for people to meet up for business but discuss terrorist acts, recruit, propagate smear campaigns, etc, and I knowingly allowed it to continue because "well officer it was good for business!," bet your ass the government would have me thrown in jail over it too.

In this case, they're not even pushing for actual legal fines or punishments like telling the US to jail these people. They're just saying "start making attempts or do business elsewhere."