Chicago 2016 in review.

[Spectral]

You really think civilian small arms ownership presents a meaningful defense against the US Government turned tyrannical?

Yes. When people talk about open war, I think they're being silly, but I think the threat of an armed populace engaging in small-scale warfare against a sufficiently unjust set of government officials is a non-trivial benefit.

Shouldn't we then include the risk of arming people who might be party to tyranny? Historically there's a strong basis for that danger.

Maybe. As above, I think an armed populace is capable of having a non-trivial impact, but I greatly doubt it would be capable of pulling an actual coup, at least not without having gained substantial military influence.

Frankly, I wouldn't defend any of these propositions particularly strongly. The primary motivator is simply that free people have an important historical right to arm themselves. This is true both in the Lockeian sense and in a much more ancient sense. I place great value on this right.

[I Push Buttons]

Considering that most of the weapons would be black market and the fact that they're committing crimes by having the gun and then shooting and potentially killing someone, what would more gun control solve in keeping CRIMINALS from committing crimes?

The same thing it does in Europe. If there is no legal gun market then petty criminals won't have guns. They will be far rarer and more expensive.

You realize there are hundreds of millions of legal guns in the US... If even .01% of them are lost, stolen, illegally sold/resold/traded, etc... That's millions of guns.

[Allybeboba]

St. Louis and Detroit are much worse with their homicide rates
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/m...the-world.html

Isn't it strange that the US cities that made that list have been controlled by the Democratic Party for quite a long time?

[Wells]

Isn't it strange that the US cities that made that list have been controlled by the Democratic Party for quite a long time?

Most major cities across the globe trend liberal for their nation.

[Skaiz]

Normally I stop by these threads to roll my eyes about people not from Chicago talking about the violence here. But all those graphs accurately tell you where and who is doing the killing. Have fun analyzing my city

[anyaka21]

Stats from a single year are useless on their own.

There's legitimately something wrong since the number of murders have jumped sharply to a level that hasn't been seen for almost 2 decades in Chicago, which had seen a downward trend in killings and violent crime. It's a pretty large spike that is much larger than any of the random deviations before.

If you were looking for any sort of objectivity here, that would be a better starting point.

There's also a secondary thought that you completely missed. That the crime from previous years was somehow less reported or underreported, misreported, etc... Or to use the phrase juking the system.

Thus it's entirely possible that this might be the 1st year that we have an actual real statistic of an actual representation of crime in Chicago. However, and it's also entirely possible that this is the mislabeled and unreported number as well, making the problem even worse.

Personally the biggest statistics that jump out at me are the number of unsolved or "no suspect charged" and the minimalistic number of police shootings by comparison. Though it's no secret that Chicago's issue is gang v gang violence and the majority of those deaths are gang related.

Thus solve the gang problem and you solve the shooting problem.

Also, outside thought: Since the high probability of gang v gang is the cause of the increased deaths, was there a causal issue that started a specific gang war? Or maybe a specific gang that is more violent than the others?

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The same thing it does in Europe. If there is no legal gun market then petty criminals won't have guns. They will be far rarer and more expensive.

You realize there are hundreds of millions of legal guns in the US... If even .01% of them are lost, stolen, illegally sold/resold/traded, etc... That's millions of guns.

Except Europe, despite the stricter rules, has similar problems in areas with high diversity.

Maybe the problem is in another set of numbers.

[alexw]

Except Europe, despite the stricter rules, has similar problems in areas with high diversity.

Maybe the problem is in another set of numbers.

No they don't. They simply don't. Not even close.

No city in Europe comes even close to the number of murders in an average US city.

[anyaka21]

Except Europe, despite the stricter rules, has similar problems in areas with high diversity.

Maybe the problem is in another set of numbers.

It's an interesting premise, but a statement like that really needs to be backed up with actual fact or statistics.

[Murderdoll]

The same thing it does in Europe. If there is no legal gun market then petty criminals won't have guns. They will be far rarer and more expensive.

You realize there are hundreds of millions of legal guns in the US... If even .01% of them are lost, stolen, illegally sold/resold/traded, etc... That's millions of guns.

I do entirely realise that.

However, there will always be an illegal gun market, even if guns are restricted to the extent that guns in Australia are restricted.

You know where our black market guns come from? Stolen from police/imported.

Have a guess where your guns will come from? You have land borders with Canada and Mexico.

You will also rely on criminals, handing in their guns if there is an amnesty. Again, using Australia as an example. That wont happen.

At the end of the day, you still have criminals committing crimes with illegal weapons.

[Independent voter]

CHICAGO ENDS BLOODY YEAR WITH 762 HOMICIDES...

They're just showing off now.

[anyaka21]

To back up my premise that the Chicago's crime rates have fallen off in recent years is complete bullshit:

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...o-crime-rates/

also:

https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Numbers...e+numbers+game

basically a book describing how cities have begun juking the numbers to make the crime statistics decrease.


Chicago's numbers haven't realistically been dropping in recent years. Hopefully this is a year where they actually reported true statistics, because if not, it makes this year particularly disturbing.