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    Three minutes to Armageddon: Doomsday clock set to change.

    http://news.sky.com/story/three-minu...hange-10742334

    Currently at 'three minutes to midnight', the Doomsday Clock already sends a message that mankind is closer to oblivion than it has been in decades - and it's about to change.

    The famous clock moves closer or further from midnight to symbolise the threat to mankind of global Armageddon, nuclear or otherwise.

    On Thursday afternoon at 3pm UK time, the clock's keepers will announce a change.

    Three minutes to midnight is already "far too close", they say, but it could well be moved even closer.

    For comparison, the clock was set at 'three minutes to midnight' during early Cold War hydrogen bomb testing and for the darkest hours of the 1980s, when the US and Soviet governments ceased almost all dialogue.

    Nuclear proliferation; one of many trends used to 'set' the Doomsday Clock.
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    Nuclear proliferation; one of many trends used to 'set' the Doomsday Clock.
    The clock is maintained by the Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists, which was founded by concerned US scientists involved in the Manhattan Project that developed the world's first nuclear weapons during the World War II.

    In 1947, they established the Doomsday Clock to provide a simple way of demonstrating the danger to Earth and humanity posed by nuclear war.

    They adopted the 'minutes from midnight' idea as it reflected both a 'doomsday' midnight and also the countdown of a nuclear attack.

    Examples of research used to 'set' the clock.
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    Examples of research used to 'set' the clock.
    The Bulletin group says factors influencing a possible change this week could include a rise in strident nationalism worldwide; US President Donald Trump's comments on nuclear arms and climate issues; a darkening global security landscape that is coloured by increasingly sophisticated technology; and a growing disregard for scientific expertise.

    "When we call these dangers existential, that is exactly what we mean," the group says. "They threaten the very existence of civilisation and therefore should be the first order of business for leaders who care about their constituents and their countries."

    Minutes from midnight: 1947 - 2017
    :: 1947: Seven minutes to midnight. "As the Bulletin evolves from a newsletter into a magazine, the Clock appears on the cover for the first time. It symbolises the urgency of the nuclear dangers that the magazine's founders - and the broader scientific community - are trying to convey to the public and political leaders around the world."

    :: 1949: Three minutes to midnight. "The Soviet Union denies it, but in the fall (autumn), President Harry Truman tells the American public that the Soviets tested their first nuclear device, officially starting the arms race."

    :: 1953: Two minutes to midnight. "After much debate, the United States decides to pursue the hydrogen bomb, a weapon far more powerful than any atomic bomb. In October 1952, the United States tests its first thermonuclear device, obliterating a Pacific Ocean islet in the process; nine months later, the Soviets test an H-bomb of their own."

    :: 1960: Seven minutes to midnight. "Political actions belie the tough talk of 'massive retaliation'. For the first time, the United States and Soviet Union appear eager to avoid direct confrontation in regional conflicts such as the 1956 Egyptian-Israeli dispute."

    :: 1963: Twelve minutes to midnight. "After a decade of almost non-stop nuclear tests, the United States and Soviet Union sign the Partial Test Ban Treaty, which ends all atmospheric nuclear testing."

    : 1968: Seven minutes to midnight. "Regional wars rage. US involvement in Vietnam intensifies, India and Pakistan battle in 1965, and Israel and its Arab neighbours renew hostilities in 1967. Worse yet, France and China develop
    nuclear weapons to assert themselves as global players."

    :: 1969: Ten minutes to midnight. "Nearly all of the world's nations come together to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."

    :: 1972: Twelve minutes to midnight. "The United States and Soviet Union attempt to curb the race for nuclear superiority by signing the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (Salt) and the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty."

    :: 1974: Nine minutes to midnight. "South Asia gets the Bomb, as India tests its first nuclear device. And any gains in previous arms control agreements seem like a mirage."

    :: 1980: Seven minutes to midnight. "Thirty-five years after the start of the nuclear age and after some promising disarmament gains, the United States and the Soviet Union still view nuclear weapons as an integral component of their national security."

    :: 1981: Four minutes to midnight. "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan hardens the US nuclear posture."

    :: 1984: Three minutes to midnight. "US-Soviet relations reach their iciest point in decades. Dialogue between the two superpowers virtually stops."

    :: 1988: Six minutes to midnight: "The United States and Soviet Union sign the historic Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the first agreement to actually ban a whole category of nuclear weapons."

    :: 1990: Ten minutes to midnight. "As one Eastern European country after another (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania) frees itself from Soviet control, Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev refuses to intervene, halting the ideological battle for Europe and significantly diminishing the risk of all-out nuclear war."

    :: 1991: Seventeen minutes to midnight: "With the Cold War officially over, the United States and Russia begin making deep cuts to their nuclear arsenals. The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty greatly reduces the number of strategic nuclear weapons deployed by the two former adversaries."

    :: 1995: Fourteen minutes to midnight: "Hopes for a large post-Cold War peace dividend and a renouncing of nuclear weapons fade."

    :: 1998: Nine minutes to midnight. "India and Pakistan stage nuclear weapons tests only three weeks apart."

    :: 2002: Seven minutes to midnight: "Concerns regarding a nuclear terrorist attack underscore the enormous amount of unsecured - and sometimes unaccounted for - weapon-grade nuclear materials located throughout the world."

    :: 2007: Five minutes to midnight. "The world stands at the brink of a second nuclear age. The United States and Russia remain ready to stage a nuclear attack within minutes, North Korea conducts a nuclear test, and many in the international community worry that Iran plans to acquire the Bomb. Climate change also presents a dire challenge to humanity."

    :: 2010: Six minutes to midnight: "We are poised to bend the arc of history toward a world free of nuclear weapons. The dangers posed by climate change are growing, but there are pockets of progress."

    :: 2012: Five minutes to midnight: "The challenges to rid the world of nuclear weapons, harness nuclear power, and meet the nearly inexorable climate disruptions from global warming are complex and interconnected. In the face of
    such complex problems, it is difficult to see where the capacity lies to address these challenges."

    :: 2015: Three minutes to midnight: "Unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernisations, and out-sized nuclear weapons arsenals pose extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity, and world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth."

    :: 2016: Still three minutes to midnight. "The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon. That probability has not been reduced. The Clock ticks. Global danger looms. Wise leaders should act - immediately."

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    We all know this is gonna be a Trump thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    We all know this is gonna be a Trump thread
    Probably. Didn't see any other threads about this so I figured I'd get it out of the way now.

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    god damn it. I have been waitig since 1947 and the clock never actually hit midnight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butthurt Beluga View Post
    So it's just some people who think they know when the world is going to end?
    Not sure why this is news worthy.
    Neither am I to be honest, but it's being reported by quite a few media folk so I assume it's relevant to some people. Just spreading the word.

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    OH no , its 5 minutes to midnight surely i can get behind more military spending

    ten years later
    OH no , its 4 minutes to midnight surely i can get behind more military spending

    ten years later
    OH no , its 3 minutes to midnight surely i can get behind more military spending

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    So things are more 'dangerous' now than at the peak of the coldwar ? Pretty obvious the publishers are just trying to hold on to some semblance of importance using alarmism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    We all know this is gonna be a Trump thread
    Obviously. We elected a guy who loves nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allerius View Post
    So things are more 'dangerous' now than at the peak of the coldwar ? Pretty obvious the publishers are just trying to hold on to some semblance of importance using alarmism.
    Some people just like to stir the shit pot.

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    2 minutes to midnight?

    Is there going to be an Iron Maiden concert as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conflux View Post
    I have been waitig since 1947
    You are that old? :O

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Obviously. We elected a guy who loves nukes.
    Yeah, a guy who's on record asking why he can't use them. Set the clock to 10 seconds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    You are that old? :O

    lol
    my father is. He's told me how hilarious the nuclear drills were back when he was a kid in the 50s. "GET UNDER YOUR DESK! THIS WILL HELP!!!"

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    lol

    You can't make this crap up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    Yeah, a guy who's on record asking why he can't use them. Set the clock to 10 seconds.
    I couldn't find that statement verified by anyone. What I did find was the press reporting on unverified claims by Joe Scarborough that Trump had said that. That isn't "on record". If you can provide some evidence he said it, I would like to see it.

    His public statements on being for the use nuclear weapons have been fairly consistent, whether you agree with his position or not, but it's not like he's sitting in his office like a bored child going "just let me nuke this one small country. It'll be funny LOL", as implied.
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    : 1968: Seven minutes to midnight. "Regional wars rage. US involvement in Vietnam intensifies, India and Pakistan battle in 1965, and Israel and its Arab neighbours renew hostilities in 1967. Worse yet, France and China develop
    nuclear weapons to assert themselves as global players."
    If this strikes you as noticeably safer than 2017, you might just be a silly ideologue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornerybear View Post
    my father is. He's told me how hilarious the nuclear drills were back when he was a kid in the 50s. "GET UNDER YOUR DESK! THIS WILL HELP!!!"
    You're much safer under a desk, than you're standing in the middle of living room, the moment the windows shatter and fly towards you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Obviously. We elected a guy who loves nukes.
    #MAGA

    Make America Glow Again!
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    You're much safer under a desk, than you're standing in the middle of living room, the moment the windows shatter and fly towards you.
    Right, unless you're quite close to the point of detonation, the shockwave, blast winds, and fire are significant concerns. Taking shelter with even some minor protection could wind up being a mitigating factor for all of these and save a few lives.

    Besides, what else would you do? Better to try something, even if it's only a minor improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    You're much safer under a desk, than you're standing in the middle of living room, the moment the windows shatter and fly towards you.
    I know. i think its more of an amusement when the bomb is close enough to just wipe you out, because in that case the desk wont help.

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