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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandist View Post
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    Dude enough. First a mod removes the bold on the text it then you delete it and repost it after a few posts for some reason. I don't get it are you trying to have the last word in this thread? I'm not saying I don't agree with you on any of the points but come on already. Even the people who defend the game aren't this vehement.
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    Dude, I made a correction in the typing and when I went to "save" the edit the entire post vanished. Sorry to have offended you by my having edited my comment and there having been a glitch in the system. Hope you get over it.


    I just scrolled back and all of a sudden the two prior attempts to edit have finally appeared. I've no idea what's up with the "save" editing feature.
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    Will Trion view bot this video?! Find out in a few days!

    First 2 comments are silver and gold.
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    A life with no changes can’t be called life. You can only call it experience. Lelouch Vi Britannia. (Code Geass)
    I refuse to be a slave of fate! I will be the master of my own future! Shir Gold. (Phantasy Star 2)
    Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose. Ayrton Senna. (3 times Formula 1 World Champion)

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    These two must be brothers :P
    https://youtu.be/ddTS-bEWTYw
    https://youtu.be/lQyl4MryCcA

    https://youtu.be/J38qhKLthZs Deeper voiced cousin

    Trailer was very mediocre, but I didn't hate it.
    A feeling of don't repeat the past is coming up here. On one hand don't think this will be the best expansion like the majority of us did with WoD. On the other, don't just dismiss it because the initial theme is off putting.

  6. #106
    Does anyone still play Rift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subzane View Post
    Does anyone still play Rift?
    So original. Rolls eyes.

    Of course people still play Rift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wackywoo View Post
    So original. Rolls eyes.

    Of course people still play Rift.
    are you sure? :P

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    The next raid for Rift, a rehash of Rise of the Phoenix is now up and running on the PTS (Public Test Shard) for testing, entrance portal for this Intrepid version of RoTP is in Stonefield next to the original one.

    A vendor is also nearby with the latest Raid gear and Relic fragments to get you all geared up.


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    So it wasn't even being tested before 4.1? Could have used the PTS for testing it before 4.1.

    Meh still won't come back for an upscale of RotP. They waited too long before releasing the first progression raid imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    They waited too long before releasing the first progression raid imo.
    lol.. progression... right...

    IRotP went on PTS just a few days ago so I think only a handfull of people got to try it out till now.
    Since I just joined this forum I can't post links but go and check "OFFICIAL: Intrepid Rise of the Phoenix" thread on Rift forums, 2nd reply:
    "aaaaaand 8 manning Silgen with no priests is fun." -Boase

    I think that says it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinisha92 View Post
    IRotP went on PTS just a few days ago so I think only a handfull of people got to try it out till now.
    Since I just joined this forum I can't post links but go and check "OFFICIAL: Intrepid Rise of the Phoenix" thread on Rift forums, 2nd reply:
    "aaaaaand 8 manning Silgen with no priests is fun." -Boase

    I think that says it all...
    There's the link: http://forums.riftgame.com/general-d...ml#post5302598

    Yes, it's on PTS so it's beta, but even Slipmat is kind of despondent about it. His comment sums up his frustration and probably screams the loudest at the devs:
    "This unfortunately sounds very disappointing, TD part 2 i guess "

    (couldn't find the frown smiley)

    Car Crash TV - what amuses me is that this an upscale of an old 10 man raid.

    ~ all the assets are there.
    ~ all the mechanics are there - they (should) just need tweaking.

    Yes, we're talking about an existing, functional, complete 10 man raid, that is over 6 months after release of a new expansion that was unexpectantly up-scaled as a "progression raid" now just appearing on the Public Test Shard.

    Rift's apparent "B" team of devs STILL can't get it right.

    Rift Dev's team looking at that old code written by more experienced team now seem to be like monkeys trying to use power tools.

    /popcorn
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  13. #113
    I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt given that the stuff is fresh on the PTS...but that screenshot of the boss being 8 manned is pretty funny. How is it that undertuned? I get that they likely haven't spent the past 6 months working on it but...c'mon, it's an upscaled existing raid. They've literally only got to adjust values and maybe make a few other tweaks if they want to change up any mechanics (not sure if there are even any mechanical changes or otherwise, coming)

    Also, hot damn has stat inflation hit Rift hard. 400K health on tanks and 1B health on 10 man bosses? I know they've never had the smoothest curve, always trending towards a more exponential increase in stats, but I really dislike that approach. Ludicrously big numbers seem to be attractive to a lot of folks (or at least devs seem to think so), but there's nothing that's a bigger turnoff for me. It takes all the fun out of actually seeing big numbers pop up from time to time : /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Also, hot damn has stat inflation hit Rift hard. 400K health on tanks and 1B health on 10 man bosses? I know they've never had the smoothest curve, always trending towards a more exponential increase in stats, but I really dislike that approach. Ludicrously big numbers seem to be attractive to a lot of folks (or at least devs seem to think so), but there's nothing that's a bigger turnoff for me. It takes all the fun out of actually seeing big numbers pop up from time to time : /
    Exponential growth shouldn't be a new thing for anyone that has played Blizzard games previously. WoW has this same issue and even the item squish didn't help it. Diablo is a game that's built upon the whole concept of exponential and additive growth.

    So the best way is to just ignore the numbers.
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    Yep, and I hated the exponential stat growth in WoW over the years (and again in the first expansion following their "stat squish" UGH) and in D3 straight out of the gate.

    I will usually do my best to ignore numbers, I turned them off entirely in D3 because they just annoyed me, but in a MMO like WoW or Rift that shit is important to me because it helps me gauge my performance in groups. Also, keeping track of my/enemy HP more closely than is necessary in ARPG's.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt given that the stuff is fresh on the PTS...but that screenshot of the boss being 8 manned is pretty funny. How is it that undertuned? I get that they likely haven't spent the past 6 months working on it but...c'mon, it's an upscaled existing raid. They've literally only got to adjust values and maybe make a few other tweaks if they want to change up any mechanics (not sure if there are even any mechanical changes or otherwise, coming)
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    nope zero mechanical changes. but its hard to balance when the class balance is all over the place. last raid they werent even taking parses.

    but with no changes it trivializes a lot of stuff. silgens huge aoe mechanic where you need the priest is irrelevent in the current meta as a chlro can solo heal it, not something a chlro could ever hope to do back then. theres a bard spec doing as much aoe heals as a full healer and can now cleanse as well. back then most groups ran with a pyrochloro who's whole purpose was to to cleanse. hell you can even have most tanks pick up a cleanse for that fight now.

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    Really hoping they make mechanical changes/adjustments while it's on the PTS...but with how SFP has gone so far, I full expect to go live without any new/updated mechanics, and ludicrously unbalanced so as to trivialize the whole raid : /

    I want to be optimistic...but I just can't bring myself to muster up any optimism for the game anymore.

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    i mean its already on the pts as it used to be, any changes would have been announced. they've had more than plenty of time to update an old raid, not even anything big just small changes and nothing has, so anything this late aint gonna happen.

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    Tbh it's kinda sad seeing what this game has become. 5 months going on 6 for a raid that is a pure upscale. Genuinely feel sorry for progression raiders if Rift even has any left.
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    I think a lot of palyers are still hoping for changes to it before release, especially harder tuning. One thing I noticed from what screenshot is that as far as raiding gos Rift is already kinda screwed. Silgen was 8 maned with a bi more than 1,1 bil hp. The max hp ceeling for rift is a bit over 2,1 bil hp, aka singed 32 bit intiger max number. This was already seen as a problem with Xarth event where bosses went over that number due to scaling and reset to 1 hp, but that was fixed. So as far as i know all bosses in open world max out at that number. Which also means that a 20 man raid is already impossible to make or upscale as there will have to be other ways implemented to deal with it. The gear increase is simply too huge and had already grown out of controll.

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