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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    I agree on the soundtrack. Most of the time I barely noticed it was there and didn't feel like it added much to any scene. Maybe I need to watch again to see if I missed something with it.

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    At this point its not even a given we finish the first book. Overall I felt like Rebecca as Jessica was ok. I didn't really feel like overly emotional but just not fully in command of herself in the way a BG should be but then again she's not a full reverend mother yet and is supposed to be different in the books due to allowing herself to love her mate which is what leads to her giving him a son. So she's not meant to be a standard BG either. DV took a lot of choices which sort of slimmed down the plot but which also allows it to focus more on Paul which is probably a good thing.
    Paul isn't even the hero or main character of the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Paul isn't even the hero or main character of the series.
    he is for the part which denis films will be based on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    he is for the part which denis films will be based on
    Depends, if they do the full trilogy with Messiah and Children then the true main character is yet to appear.

    Also following what @Fencers said, it's a beautiful score but .. there's no real memorable piece for me or tune I find myself humming. Whereas as awful as the Lynch film was, the Toto soundtrack was something else entirely, I expect one day someone will do a mashup of the 2021 film with the Toto soundtrack, not sure it'll work as the two films are so far apart in terms of style and execution, but I'd love to see it.


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    to me the soundtrack was for the movie, not to listen to outside the film, as it should be...

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    This movie was boring AF and I regret paying to see this shit. The movie builds up for something and then ends when it feels like shit is about to go down.
    It's beautifully filmed and stuff, but other than that it sucked. Hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Paul isn't even the hero or main character of the series.
    I've read all the books more than once. Paul is definitely the main character of the first two books so I'm not sure what your point is. There is no single main character of all the books.

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    Coming to mmo-champion to see the hardcore pessimists shit on a masterpiece. Just that a few of you losers actually liked it is astounding to me. It must be a rough life to hate everything and be miserable. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    I've read all the books more than once. Paul is definitely the main character of the first two books so I'm not sure what your point is. There is no single main character of all the books.
    If you count all of the books from start to end you could argue the villain is the overarching character of everything. But of the Herbert books, it's always been Leto. Even before he was born, his existence is spoken of and purpose talked about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    to me the soundtrack was for the movie, not to listen to outside the film, as it should be...
    It certainly compliments the film, but you think of some of the most memorable soundtracks of all time and they still have at least one tune that you find yourself humming after you've seen it. Hans Zimmer has been responsible for his fair share of those over time, but here.. there wasn't one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    If you count all of the books from start to end you could argue the villain is the overarching character of everything. But of the Herbert books, it's always been Leto. Even before he was born, his existence is spoken of and purpose talked about.

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    It certainly compliments the film, but you think of some of the most memorable soundtracks of all time and they still have at least one tune that you find yourself humming after you've seen it. Hans Zimmer has been responsible for his fair share of those over time, but here.. there wasn't one.

    its Duncan Idaho at the last two books or his ghola at any rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    I've read all the books more than once. Paul is definitely the main character of the first two books so I'm not sure what your point is. There is no single main character of all the books.
    If you them individually yes but by the end its Duncan Idaho because he's constantly being resurrected as a ghola. Even the ones written by his kid and the star wars book guy ends up with Duncan Idaho as the true kwisatz haderach.
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    The movie is available online now for those who doesn't want to go to a cinema for whatever reason.
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    Solid production, acting, and scenery..... but, what a shallow interpretation of the book. I was kind of bored throughout waiting for things to "kick in". Never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    its Duncan Idaho at the last two books or his ghola at any rate.

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    If you them individually yes but by the end its Duncan Idaho because he's constantly being resurrected as a ghola. Even the ones written by his kid and the star wars book guy ends up with Duncan Idaho as the true kwisatz haderach.
    If you count his son's books then I'd say the overarching character is Omnius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    its Duncan Idaho at the last two books or his ghola at any rate.

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    If you them individually yes but by the end its Duncan Idaho because he's constantly being resurrected as a ghola. Even the ones written by his kid and the star wars book guy ends up with Duncan Idaho as the true kwisatz haderach.
    Spoilers tag needed for the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    If you count his son's books then I'd say the overarching character is Omnius.
    Or Erasmus since he's largely responsible for the butlerheiran jihad, the face dancers, the mentats, the honored mates etc etx. Its pretty clear by God emperor that Duncan is gonna the one. I can't remember if his ghola shows up in messiah. Iirc scytale resurrects him in Messiah I think. because Susan Sarandon wants a weapon against Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Spoilers tag needed for the above.
    *sigh* my suspicion is that those books will never get made into movies and if you haven't read the books by ow well too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    I've read all the books more than once. Paul is definitely the main character of the first two books so I'm not sure what your point is. There is no single main character of all the books.
    Yes there is.

    Duncan Idaho is in every book and is the main hero in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmittay View Post
    Yeh I feel the exact same way. Good movie, maybe even great if you've never read the book. I also didn't like how emotional Jessica was, the Bene Gesserit are masters of emotional control, and she seemed very, very human. I couldn't even tell she was BG, except the movie said she was.
    I wasn't sure about Jessica early on either, but in reflection I think at the start of the movie she was portrayed as a loved wife and mother, she hadn't been prepared at all for the chance of her falling in love with Leto, it was just supposed to just be a political arrangement and a way to modify bloodlines. But with Leto being a decent man and feeling the same way about Jessica she decided to go against orders and give him a son.

    When the Reverend Mother turned up to test Paul she was genuinely scared that he would be killed, it appeared her training didn't help her at all in dealing with that type of anxiety and maybe even guilt for not following orders. Later on in the film we got to see the pure BG side though.
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    last movie i watched in cinema was a miserable experience... we got one of the last spots and had someone whining at me to "sit properly" almost the whole movie... sorry that you people are small and got a seat behind me but i can't make myself smaller no matter how much you whine that i'm blocking your view...

    i'd rather not pay to have people whine at me... better to just watch movies at home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Or Erasmus since he's largely responsible for the butlerheiran jihad, the face dancers, the mentats, the honored mates etc etx. Its pretty clear by God emperor that Duncan is gonna the one. I can't remember if his ghola shows up in messiah. Iirc scytale resurrects him in Messiah I think. because Susan Sarandon wants a weapon against Paul.

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    *sigh* my suspicion is that those books will never get made into movies and if you haven't read the books by ow well too bad.
    It's still a spoiler, particularly for people who are picking up the books for the first time due to interest generated by the movie. I didn't read the Expanse novels until I watched the show and got invested, so....yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Or Erasmus since he's largely responsible for the butlerheiran jihad, the face dancers, the mentats, the honored mates etc etx. Its pretty clear by God emperor that Duncan is gonna the one. I can't remember if his ghola shows up in messiah. Iirc scytale resurrects him in Messiah I think. because Susan Sarandon wants a weapon against Paul.

    It is at the end of Messiah. He's a gift by Scytale to Paul after Chani's death at the birth of the twins, as an example of how they could bring Chani back, but his ulterior motive is not beyond Paul's logic. Then Paul sees without sight and murders the Tleilaxu when he holds a knife over the children when Paul doesn't take his bait.

    Then Stilgar slays him in Children starting the war against Alia when he breaks the sanctity of the sietch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    It's still a spoiler, particularly for people who are picking up the books for the first time due to interest generated by the movie. I didn't read the Expanse until I watched the show and got invested, so....yeah.
    Oh alright well hey kids HUGE SPOILER for all those out there Darth Vader is lukes father. SORRY

    Come the fuck on. The books were around since the fucking 60s and I doubt anyone who hasn't read them is trolling this forum. You wouldn't put a spoiler tag for Vader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    It is at the end of Messiah. He's a gift by Scytale to Paul after Chani's death at the birth of the twins, as an example of how they could bring Chani back, but his ulterior motive is not beyond Paul's logic. Then Paul sees without sight and murders the Tleilaxu when he holds a knife over the children when Paul doesn't take his bait.

    Then Stilgar slays him in Children starting the war against Alia when he breaks the sanctity of the sietch.
    He's like brainwashed by the emperors other daughter iirc. Susan Sarandon played her in the made for TV movies. Irulans sister.
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