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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Many, but I’m gonna wait until I see it a second time before I reply. I take the point about his attitude, but I put that on the director here. This is his interpretation of the story and Brolin’s portrayal is obviously what he wanted. Brolin has a pretth big range and pretending he only “plays himself” when the dude is very much a person who doesn’t take himself seriously? Yeah, I gotta take issue.
    Brolin is a good actor but all his best roles involve a lot of scowling, even when in comedies he's the straight man. Not a guy I can remember sitting around a campfire playing music, telling jokes, and singing bawdy songs. Either way, whether the director or the actor, the Gurney role is done totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    I'm just put gonna put spoiler tags around the whole post because who cares.

    I didn't like it, thought it was meh. First, a few of the roles were miscast. Josh Brolin is not Gurney Halleck, not even close. Gurney is a minstrel with kind of a rascally side, the type of leader who hangs out with the men at a campfire but is still a great fighter. Brolin played himself, and the next time we see him break into song playing an instrument in a movie will also be the first. Harkonnen and Leto were much better cast in the SciFi miniseries, when they were played by Ian McNeice and William Hurt. Skarsgaard is great actor but Harkonnen is supposed to be a man lost to creature comforts, kind of a foppish, querulous old man who is nevertheless incredibly evil while bragging to his subordinates about it. Skarsgaard played him as a sinister character. Oscar Isaac didn't do it for me as Leto. Leto is supposed to a tall, determined, good man who has bitten off more than he can chew and is gradually realizing that. He's flawed. I didn't get that from Isaac, who plays the perfect ruler forced into a bad situation. I think Zendaya will be perfect as Chani in the next movie but she was too big a name to play the role the way it was supposed to be played in this movie - we should just have gotten a couple very brief flashes of Chani and that's it. I think they expanded the role because it was Zendaya. Dr. Yueh's role was too small (probably because he wasn't played by a big name actor). Rebecca Ferguson didn't give off enough of a "mother" vibe for me as Jessica - she looks barely older than Paul. Again, she was better cast in the SciFi miniseries. Momoa was fine as Idaho and Chalamet fine as Paul. Hawat as a fat guy seemed wrong, he was supposed to be master of assassins and a warrior, while also probably the smartest character in the book up to that point, and none of that came across in the movie.

    Now the plot. The very beginning when they say that the Harkonnens beat the Fremen was just wrong. The Fremen could have always beaten the Harkonnens, they just never united to do it (see, the Fremen owning Sardaukar in the book even before Paul trained them). This is an essential plot point; the Fremen are a sleeping giant that Paul wakes up, not a beaten down oppressed people. Liet being a woman, fine, it's 2021, but I didn't like his/her death scene, it's much more interesting to see him wandering the sand, wondering if he made the right choice in saving Paul because he's worried what Paul will do while knowing that he has sacrificed his life to do it (leading into a central theme of the series - is a Messiah even a good thing?), than the heroic "I'm taking you with me" defiant scene she got. The Harkonnens are supposed to the equal of the Atreides, with the Baron far less clever than he thinks he is, with Rabban a "tank brain" who mismanages Arrakis, but they made them a bit too powerful seeming. i guess they were hiding the worms for the next movie, they're supposed to pop up to the surface in order to swallow something (otherwise how do the maker hooks work) not create some sort of weird vortex from below.

    Some of it is hard because the movie can't be as long as the book and things needed to get cut out, but I think a lot of the characters were flattened in a way that took some of the heart out of the story, and some stuff was added that changed it substantially. There are just so many [I]little[/I] things that seem off, like when Gurney says he'll try to make do as the weapons master in Duncan's absence (in the books Duncan says Gurney is better fighter, beating him "6 times out of 10"). In casting so many stars, I felt like they ended up with a cast that fit their characters far less well than the extremely budget SciFi series did 20 years ago. Disappointed.

    I pretty much agree with your post. I would only say this is probably the best Paul of the 3.


    atm without seeing the second part. I would rate this behind the sci-fi special myself. Not sure how or if the second part can change that.
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    Very good reviews about the music however movie is kinda average. I’m sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Depends, if they do the full trilogy with Messiah and Children then the true main character is yet to appear.
    Paul is certainly the main character in the first two books. Leto is the main character in the third and fourth.

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    Dune 2 Announced By Legendary For October 2023 - "We're Excited To Continue The Journey"

    After making $200 million worldwide, Legendary has announced a sequel.

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/du.../1100-6497390/
    By Eddie Makuch on October 26, 2021 at 11:14AM PDT

    The new sci-fi movie Dune got off to a great start in the US, where it made more than $40 million at the box office over its first weekend. Globally, the film has already made more than $223 million. The movie is described as being Part One in the opening title card, and director Denis Villeneuve has been open about his plans for a sequel, but it hasn't been announced--until now.

    Legendary has announced a sequel is in the works, following speculation about when the movie might be made official. The movie is scheduled for release in October 2023, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Villenueve is coming back, as is composer Hans Zimmer.

    Dune is distributed by Warner Bros., and it's streaming on HBO Max, but the decision about a sequel came down to the co-financier, Legendary Entertainment, according to Variety. Legendary controls the rights to the movie and gets to decide if a sequel is made, the report said.

    Variety reported that the sequel announcement might happen "shortly," and now it has. Still, the reason for waiting so long to announce the sequel is unknown.

    The first movie's story ends at the halfway point of the novel, so fans are surely excited that a sequel is coming.

    Another issue at play is how a sequel might be released. Villeneuve has been critical of the decision to put Dune on HBO Max day-and-date with the theatrical release. He said, "Warner Bros.' decision means Dune won't have the chance to perform financially in order to be viable and piracy will ultimately triumph. Warner Bros. might just have killed the Dune franchise."

    Legendary also took issue with WB's decision to bring Dune to HBO Max and threatened legal action. WB and Legendary settled their disagreements, and Legendary received a payment of the amount it would have made at the box office, based on predictions. Additionally, Villeneuve and the stars of Dune got paid "millions" to compensate for what they missed out on for back-end payments related to the film's box office performance, according to Variety.

    Dune carried a $165 million production budget, and that doesn't count the movie's massive marketing campaign. A sequel would have a similar budget, the site reported. Another issue at play here is lining up the filming schedules for Dune's top talent; star Timothee Chalamet is currently filming Wonka, for example.

    Villeneuve previously talked about how the movie studios agreed from the onset to make Dune into a two-party film. Villeneuve wanted to film the movies back-to-back, but the studio balked, the director said, in part because Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049 was not a huge box office success.

    "I think they were a little cold at the idea of investing in two movies right away. I think that's the truth I understood," he said on the Directors Guild of America podcast (via Collider).

    GameSpot's Dune review scored the film a 10/10. "Fans of the series need only know this: Villeneuve's Dune is the best possible adaptation of one of science fiction's most iconic works. It's the one you've awaited for over five decades, or since whatever time you first turned a page in Herbert's seminal novel," Michael Rougeau wrote. "The talented filmmakers and jaw-dropping cast have done it justice. Go see it so that they can tell the rest of the story."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist74 View Post
    The sci-fi version was good at making a movie that was closer to the book but I hated the actors in it except William Hurt. The guy that played Paul was annoying and the guy who played the baron harkonen.
    While I've not watched this Dune version yet -

    The Scifi Version of Dune just confuses the heck out of me. I agree with you and Orange Joe's comments that yes, it was the closest we've gotten to the book plot. But as a lover of Dune - the book series, and the Lynch Movie (for all its craziness I still can't help but love it), and probably Villonova's version too when I see it - the scifi version is the most BORING version too.

    And I don't know why I found it so boring. Maybe it was the actors...maybe the pace... how the version that DOES portray the book more accurately - manages to be the most boring one of them all. I could barely finish it. :/ But I still don't quite get /what/ made it so boring heh.
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    It was alright, the pacing was kind of whack, to be honest, other than that I enjoyed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    While I've not watched this Dune version yet -

    The Scifi Version of Dune just confuses the heck out of me. I agree with you and Orange Joe's comments that yes, it was the closest we've gotten to the book plot. But as a lover of Dune - the book series, and the Lynch Movie (for all its craziness I still can't help but love it), and probably Villonova's version too when I see it - the scifi version is the most BORING version too.

    And I don't know why I found it so boring. Maybe it was the actors...maybe the pace... how the version that DOES portray the book more accurately - manages to be the most boring one of them all. I could barely finish it. :/ But I still don't quite get /what/ made it so boring heh.
    Maybe it's the low scale? It being a TV adaptation had the budget of such a thing, and it feels like it couldn't capture the scale of the Dune universe in a way that properly conveyed the feel of it. This movie certainly succeeded at that.

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    Yes! It was kinda obvious that this will succeed, especially after seeing it, but still, YESSSS!! Just 2 years away? Hmmm, they might have already started filming before...?
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    half hour interview of denis, by nolan about dune


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    Huge mistake to not just film both at the same time. I’m curious how contracts for the stars work, how can they ensure big stars are available for a movie that might not get made?

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    I thought the movie was pretty decent. It held my attention. Sound and music were top notch. The acting was decently good. It did suffer from the current hollywood hole of trilogies not being very good self contained movies though. It feels like they just had a run time they wanted to hit, waited for the current scene to end, and then just pulled out the scissors and cut the film of a much longer movie. Which I get. Getting this whole story into one movie isn't going to happen. Hell even in a trilogy it won't. But movie just kinda felt snipped at the end that's all. At least in my opinion. Even with that though I feel pretty positive about it over all.

  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Huge mistake to not just film both at the same time. I’m curious how contracts for the stars work, how can they ensure big stars are available for a movie that might not get made?
    They didn't get filmed at the same time due to the studio not wanting to commit after BR2049 didn't bring in as much green as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    I thought the movie was pretty decent. It held my attention. Sound and music were top notch. The acting was decently good. It did suffer from the current hollywood hole of trilogies not being very good self contained movies though. It feels like they just had a run time they wanted to hit, waited for the current scene to end, and then just pulled out the scissors and cut the film of a much longer movie. Which I get. Getting this whole story into one movie isn't going to happen. Hell even in a trilogy it won't. But movie just kinda felt snipped at the end that's all. At least in my opinion. Even with that though I feel pretty positive about it over all.
    There's a time jump where it cuts. That's actually a pivotal stop point in the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    They didn't get filmed at the same time due to the studio not wanting to commit after BR2049 didn't bring in as much green as expected.
    The advantage of not filming together is you can cut bait. The disadvantage is:

    1. It’s more expensive to do two separately.
    2. The movies come out further apart.
    3. You just torpedoed your investment in the Dune movie rights.
    4. You anger your audience and directors.

    Seems like a bad move to me, only way you win is if it outright bombs… and if you’re really that worried about it bombing, don’t make the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Huge mistake to not just film both at the same time. I’m curious how contracts for the stars work, how can they ensure big stars are available for a movie that might not get made?
    I thought they already did film all of it but everyone says they did not. They were going to release the movie in December last year and changed their mind. I didn't hear anything about them making two parts until a couple of months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Yes! It was kinda obvious that this will succeed, especially after seeing it, but still, YESSSS!! Just 2 years away? Hmmm, they might have already started filming before...?
    Well, Blade Runner 2049 did bomb relative to its budget and that was also a great movie by my reckoning. That may be why the studio didn't have the confidence to give Villeneuve the budget for two parts.

    Still, happy that the movie's getting the second half it definitely deserves. 2023 kinda seems soon-ish for a 2h30+ epic but I assume a lot of the pre-production work was done already at least.
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    denis hasn't started filming, but he said he was ready to start soon...considering how long he took to get things the way he wanted them, a year just to get the design of the worm right, since he's rdy to start, it would mean he knows how he wants things to be in the 2nd movie, so while he didn't shoot two movies at once, he did the preparation work for both of them in advance.

    I trust denis to deliver.

    hmm...just saw the baron figure again, where he is in a suit, we never saw that in the film, might be in 2nd movie, or in deleted scenes for 1st movie..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Well, Blade Runner 2049 did bomb relative to its budget and that was also a great movie by my reckoning. That may be why the studio didn't have the confidence to give Villeneuve the budget for two parts.

    Still, happy that the movie's getting the second half it definitely deserves. 2023 kinda seems soon-ish for a 2h30+ epic but I assume a lot of the pre-production work was done already at least.
    Might only be 2 hrs as well. Part 1 went pretty far storywise. I looked it up and in my Dune book it went to page 328 out of 516. Plus I'd think things such as costume and set creation will also go quite a bit faster this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    Might only be 2 hrs as well. Part 1 went pretty far storywise. I looked it up and in my Dune book it went to page 328 out of 516. Plus I'd think things such as costume and set creation will also go quite a bit faster this time around.
    A lot of stuff was cut to streamline the movie that can be introduced in the 2nd part as it wasn't so relevant for the framing of the story.

    Like Feyd Rautha, the Spacing Guild's involvement, the Emperor, perhaps tho unlikely Irulan (there's been rumors that there might even be a 3rd movie coming based on Children of Dune or at least that Villenueve would like to make a 3rd movie, and that's pretty hard to impossible without getting Irulan into the story).

    I expect a big chunk of the 2nd movie will be about setting up these new elements, akin to the Caladan bit of the 1st movie.
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