1. #1

    Icy veins vs Mr Robot vs truth

    I'm trying to optimize my gear but when I check on different websites I found quite different informations. When I do my tests with Simcraft tends to be closer to Icy Veins but not always.
    At the moment I'm struggling about trinkets and legendaries (what a new ? )
    According to Icy Veins:

    The best trinkets for you are, in order:

    Kil'jaeden's Burning Wish Icon Kil'jaeden's Burning Wish
    Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls
    Faulty Countermeasure Icon Faulty Countermeasure
    Claw of the Crystalline Scorpid Icon Claw of the Crystalline Scorpid
    Convergence of Fates Icon Convergence of Fates
    Eye of Command Icon Eye of Command
    Entwined Elemental Foci Icon Entwined Elemental Foci
    Unstable Arcanocrystal Icon Unstable Arcanocrystal

    The top 6 legendary items to use, in order, are:

    Chain of Thrayn Icon Chain of Thrayn
    Whisper of the Nathrezim Icon Whisper of the Nathrezim
    Ashes to Dust Icon Ashes to Dust
    Liadrin's Fury Unleashed Icon Liadrin's Fury Unleashed
    Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus Icon Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus
    Sephuz's Secret Icon Sephuz's Secret

    Are them reliable informations and if not which are the wrong ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediMaDMZ View Post
    I'm trying to optimize my gear but when I check on different websites I found quite different informations. When I do my tests with Simcraft tends to be closer to Icy Veins but not always.
    At the moment I'm struggling about trinkets and legendaries (what a new ? )
    According to Icy Veins:

    The best trinkets for you are, in order:

    Kil'jaeden's Burning Wish Icon Kil'jaeden's Burning Wish
    Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls
    Faulty Countermeasure Icon Faulty Countermeasure
    Claw of the Crystalline Scorpid Icon Claw of the Crystalline Scorpid
    Convergence of Fates Icon Convergence of Fates
    Eye of Command Icon Eye of Command
    Entwined Elemental Foci Icon Entwined Elemental Foci
    Unstable Arcanocrystal Icon Unstable Arcanocrystal

    The top 6 legendary items to use, in order, are:

    Chain of Thrayn Icon Chain of Thrayn
    Whisper of the Nathrezim Icon Whisper of the Nathrezim
    Ashes to Dust Icon Ashes to Dust
    Liadrin's Fury Unleashed Icon Liadrin's Fury Unleashed
    Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus Icon Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus
    Sephuz's Secret Icon Sephuz's Secret

    Are them reliable informations and if not which are the wrong ones?
    As far as I can tell, it doesn't take ST vs Cleave vs AoE into account. Basically, DoS and FCM are only strong on Trilliax, Krosus and (to a lesser extent) Star Augur and Elisande. On every other boss, the BiS combo is likely to be CoF + CotSS.

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    Trinkets values vary on ilvs.


    Single Target no Legendary items:
    Kiljaedens
    Eye of command with chest
    Draught of souls
    Claw of the crystalline scorpid
    Faulty Counter meassure
    Convergence of Fates
    Eye of command

    Single target With 2x dps Legendary items:
    Convergence of Fates
    Eye of command with chest
    Claw of the crystalline scorpid
    Faulty countermeassure
    eye of command




    For multi target:
    Kiljaedens
    Claw of the crystalline scorpid
    eye of command with chest
    Entwined Elemental Foci
    Eye of Command
    Convergence of Fates

    multi target with 2x legendary items:
    Claw of the crystaline scorpid
    Eye of command with chest
    Convergence of fates
    Entwined elemental foci
    eye of command

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy1 View Post
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    Or you could just link the ret trinket page you took that info from :P http://thesilverhand.net/all/trinket-analysis/

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    I was under the impression CoF was complete ass for us? My trinkets are..

    895 w/socket FC
    890 EoC
    885 CotCS
    880 CoF

    I also have an 875 Nightbane chest, but my 875 normal tier chest gives me the 2 piece which by sims seem to boost my ilvl.

    My main problem is relics however, I never know when to sacrfice ilvls, or if you even should, I put a 900 Eyir's Blessing in with the 15% Divine storm, over an 870 wrath. I know i'm going to miss those 2 seconds, but it was simming nearly 3k higher so i went with it. Guessing taking into acct the str, and weapon dmg increases as well, but was expecting higher for a 9ilvl upgrade on artifact.

    I'm running the leggos..

    CHain of Thrayne
    Ashes to dust.

  6. #6
    All thing vary depending on your talents, the fight, your spec and what gear you are using. There isn't a generic one size fits all answer. I know for myself I change talents and gear on almost every fight in Nighthold. It is a pain in the ass and once more things are on farm I won't keep jumping through those hoops, sadly now it is a part of the game.
    "Privilege is invisible to those who have it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhooFlungPoo View Post
    I was under the impression CoF was complete ass for us? My trinkets are..

    895 w/socket FC
    890 EoC
    885 CotCS
    880 CoF

    I also have an 875 Nightbane chest, but my 875 normal tier chest gives me the 2 piece which by sims seem to boost my ilvl.

    My main problem is relics however, I never know when to sacrfice ilvls, or if you even should, I put a 900 Eyir's Blessing in with the 15% Divine storm, over an 870 wrath. I know i'm going to miss those 2 seconds, but it was simming nearly 3k higher so i went with it. Guessing taking into acct the str, and weapon dmg increases as well, but was expecting higher for a 9ilvl upgrade on artifact.

    I'm running the leggos..

    CHain of Thrayne
    Ashes to dust.
    CoF varies from bis to a glorified strength stick depending on fight lengths and other mechanics of a fight.

    Shortly if using cof will give you one or more extra crusades it is bis and if you won't get any extra crusades from using it it is really bad since not only do you only get strength from it but the procc of it can desync crusade from other dps CDs like a certain popular on use trinket

  8. #8
    On Mythic, fights at the moment are extremely long and CoF can easily be BiS. Fights like Krosus, Botanist, Augur, maybe Alurial. You can squeeze an extra wings in, obviously YMMV and since you're asking here you're probably not worrying about mythic bosses yet.

    My long fight goals - CoF + Scorpid
    My short fight goals - Scorpid + FCM

    Draught is beyond annoying to use as a trinket that any potential gain over Scorpid I'd ignore as a ret, personally.

  9. #9
    But what about this spreadsheet

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=234468278

    pretty different values ..
    Last edited by JediMaDMZ; 2017-02-07 at 07:21 PM.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by JediMaDMZ View Post
    But what about this spreadsheet

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=234468278

    pretty different values ..
    Look at the first page of the spreadsheet, it's no longer updated since the author moved the updates to thesilverhand.net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunfire View Post
    Look at the first page of the spreadsheet, it's no longer updated since the author moved the updates to thesilverhand.net.
    thank you
    http://thesilverhand.net/retribution...dvanced-guide/

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