House Republicans release ObamaCare replacement bill

[Stormspark]

So is the goal here for republicans to just say "we passed something" and hope democrats fix it in 2020?

This is basically what the republicans are doing.

[Kujako]

So is the goal here for republicans to just say "we passed something" and hope democrats fix it in 2020?

No, it's to say they passed something and then when it goes south in a big way by 2020 to claim that it's the Democrats fault. That and to give the wealthy a tax break, which seems to be at the core of the Republicans health care plan.

The ACA covered costs by taxing people earning more than 200k a year. The Republican plan gets rid of that while keeping the things that money was supposed to pay for. The Republican plan also shafts the elderly by inverting costs how the ACA has it, where the young pay higher costs so the elderly pay lower.

[Breccia]

So is the goal here for republicans to just say "we passed something" and hope democrats fix it in 2020?

Is it? There seems to be ethical backlash from some of the GOP. I don't think the Freedom Caucus will accept "something".

[Kujako]

Is it? There seems to be ethical backlash from some of the GOP. I don't think the Freedom Caucus will accept "something".

The Freedom Caucus seems to be mad that the proposed plan doesn't hurt enough people.

[Xeones]

Is it? There seems to be ethical backlash from some of the GOP. I don't think the Freedom Caucus will accept "something".

I'm aware they don't have the support of the people who just want the "repeal" part of the deal.

I'm just trying to figure out what this "replace" is even supposed to do, aside from the massive tax cuts to the wealthy.

[breadisfunny]

get a black and white monitor then....

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you've been bent over since 1980's by insurance companies, drug companies, doctors, etc and now you have a problem with it.

were you not working during the roll out of HMO's in the 90's with 20% being normal rate increases after they gutted ppo?
were you not around in the 2000's when they hard core pushed denials, pre existing and approvals that never happened?

etc etc etc

nah i'll just stick you on ignore.

[Zan15]

nah i'll just stick you on ignore.

Winning.

Must be the Tiger blood Charlie gave me

[Pickynerd]

Sorry, but there really hasn't been any jobs that have been created that Trump can claim.

Lemme guess 8 years of Obama and zilch, suddenly he's gone and jobs are dime a dozen, strange.

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you've been bent over since 1980's by insurance companies, drug companies, doctors, etc and now you have a problem with it.

were you not working during the roll out of HMO's in the 90's with 20% being normal rate increases after they gutted ppo?
were you not around in the 2000's when they hard core pushed denials, pre existing and approvals that never happened?

etc etc etc

Problem is healthcare has never hurt as much as it does now.

[Zan15]

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Problem is healthcare has never hurt as much as it does now.

debatable.

cost wise i would agree.

but try paying years of health insurance only to be told after 20 years you are not covered because of pre-existing......and some of the PE were so retarded. the abuse was astronomical

[Gestopft]

Problem is healthcare has never hurt as much as it does now.

Most of the rise in costs (at a systemic level) took place under Bush. From 2000-2009, healthcare expenditure went from about 13% to about 17% of GDP. Since Obamacare was passed, the cost growth was stymied and expenditure has remained within 17%. True that right now it's better for lower and mid-lower, but often worse for middle class than it was previously, but one of the positives of Obamacare is that overall healthcare costs aren't rising nearly as fast as they were. The decades long decline of the middle class and the post-recession economy are in a big way part of why it hurts so much too.

Now the goal has to be to get the costs down.

[cubby]

Ryan now says that this bill is "as good as it gets". Wow, do they suck.

Let's just keep the ACA then, shall we? If "the best you can do" is cut insurance for the poor and pay out huge tax gifts to the wealthy, perhaps the GOP should just STFU.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Lemme guess 8 years of Obama and zilch, suddenly he's gone and jobs are dime a dozen, strange.

Have you been asleep? Jobs, real jobs, not part time jobs, have been going up steadily since 2010. If you were asleep for 6 years, that would explain why you think there was "zilch" under Obama and now suddenly tons and tons of jobs.

News flash: They've been going upward at a steady pace. Also, in case you were completely in the dark about this little fact, policies take time to take effect. Most are never implemented immediately. Most laws and acts are set to go into effect months and sometimes even years after they are passed. None of Trump's legislation has yet to have any effect on jobs or the economy. All of this intense job growth is left over from the Obama administration. Look at jobs 1 to 2 years from now for a real view of what's going to happen. If jobs are still rising 4 years from now, I'll honestly be shocked. All of the regulations Trump is tearing apart for wall street and big business is the exact same thing that caused the 2007 crash.

Problem is healthcare has never hurt as much as it does now.

You can look up the percentage of growth in health care premiums. If you look at the 90's, health care inflation was far more out of control then, and aside from a 2 year low in growth several years before the ACA was passed, we've seen some of the lowest premium growth per anum.

If you're getting employer group health insurance, and when the ACA was passed, your monthly payments went way up, you really should research why that happened. See, you can look up how much your employer was subsidizing your payments, how much they were paying towards your health care. Many gave their employees insurance at costs of two figures per month... while footing hundreds of dollars themselves. When the ACA passed, a lot of businesses with a political agenda decided to screw their employees, taking away the amount they had been paying towards employee health insurance, then telling their employees that it was the fault of the ACA.

The dumb employees went "HERP DERP FUCK OBAMACARE" the smart ones looked up how much their employers were paying for their insurance, found that they had severely cut how much they were contributing, and called the employers out on it.

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Ryan now says that this bill is "as good as it gets". Wow, do they suck.

Let's just keep the ACA then, shall we? If "the best you can do" is cut insurance for the poor and pay out huge tax gifts to the wealthy, perhaps the GOP should just STFU.

Are you tired of draining the swamp yet?!

[Wells]

Ryan now says that this bill is "as good as it gets". Wow, do they suck.

Let's just keep the ACA then, shall we? If "the best you can do" is cut insurance for the poor and pay out huge tax gifts to the wealthy, perhaps the GOP should just STFU.

Ryan's reputation as a "policy wonk" has served well to hide how profoundly stupid he is.

[Draco-Onis]

Ryan now says that this bill is "as good as it gets". Wow, do they suck.

Let's just keep the ACA then, shall we? If "the best you can do" is cut insurance for the poor and pay out huge tax gifts to the wealthy, perhaps the GOP should just STFU.

Don't worry something will trickle down rumor is Trump is into that kind of thing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Don't worry something will trickle down rumor is Trump is into that kind of thing.

Sounds like a euphemism for real life. We throw money at the rich, in hopes that we will someday be rich, and then we get hookers to piss on us. That's what trickle down economics really is.

[Draco-Onis]

Sounds like a euphemism for real life. We throw money at the rich, in hopes that we will someday be rich, and then we get hookers to piss on us. That's what trickle down economics really is.

At least you could screw the hookers afterwards in this case we're getting screwed.

[Breccia]

Ryan's reputation as a "policy wonk" has served well to hide how profoundly stupid he is.

He's not stupid. It's just...I don't know what he's doing here. This bill is clearly not that good, and Ryan is taking a bullet for Trump's impossible promises. Why is he sticking his neck out for this?

[Kujako]

He's not stupid. It's just...I don't know what he's doing here. This bill is clearly not that good, and Ryan is taking a bullet for Trump's impossible promises. Why is he sticking his neck out for this?

This is almost verbatim the Paul Ryan health plan he's been pushing since 2009.

[Wells]

He's not stupid. It's just...I don't know what he's doing here. This bill is clearly not that good, and Ryan is taking a bullet for Trump's impossible promises. Why is he sticking his neck out for this?

Because he's a Randian shithead. Its only complicated if you need it to be.

[Shadowmelded]

Ryan's reputation as a "policy wonk" has served well to hide how profoundly stupid he is.

I mean, this is the party that refers to Newt as a "Big thinker", pretty sure most of their monikers are ironic.