Why is Antifa not banned yet??

[Wells]

Ideas are just as dangerous as fists. An idea can topple an empire.

V for Vendetta is a mediocre comic book.

[Garnier Fructis]

Ideas and fists are sort of a complicated feedback loop, anyway.

[DesMephisto]

V for Vendetta is a mediocre comic book.

I only remember the V Speech

[socanyou]

Just fight back instead. Ironically this type of behavior gives meaning to movements for a more fascist government, but ultimately these young, jobless, violent hooligans have been around forever. You need to anticipate where they are going to target you, and if you can, just fight back. Terrorism is already banned, fyi. Whether or not somebody makes a fuss about it in the media won't change much; prevent it by showing there are consequences to going around trying to kill elderly folk.

[downnola]

V for Vendetta is a mediocre comic book.

Lies and slander.

[Canpinter]

I prefer open derision, scorn and loathing with aggressive no-platforming. Not going to lose sleep over the occasional right hook either.

Ok honest question when you say "aggressive no-platform" do you mean use high pressure protest to try to get people who own platforms to deny them the use of said platform, or the use of aggressive and sometimes violent action to stop them from using a platform that they have every legal right to?

[Wells]

Lies and slander.

Its polisci for people who thought Fight Club was a coherent basis for a personal philosophy.

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Ok honest question when you say "aggressive no-platform" do you mean use high pressure protest to try to get people who own platforms to deny them the use of said platform, or the use of aggressive and sometimes violent action to stop them from using a platform that they have every legal right to?

The former, though I'm not opposed to nonviolent blockade either.

[Canpinter]

Its polisci for people who thought Fight Club was a coherent basis for a personal philosophy.

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The former, though I'm not opposed to nonviolent blockade either.

ok thank you for clearing that up some people seam to think that no platforming entitles them to physically stop others from using a platform they don't own.

[Wells]

ok thank you for clearing that up some people seam to think that no platforming entitles them to physically stop others from using a platform they don't own.

Peacefully? Sure it does, morally at least. Sit-ins fall under what you're talking about for instance.

[Kalis]

I understood, someone clarified this new vocabulary that older guys like me dont know. alt right for far right, antifa for commies/trotkist etc

I hate all extremes.

The confusion is probably the name. Most of us are anti-fascist, but Antifa are extremists who support the use of violence to achieve political goals and silence those they don't like.

This thread is a prime example of people who talk openly about support of the violent ideology that is Antifa. It is quite odd from my point of view, and iirc you are British, as we are not really used to people voicing support for violent political stances in the public sphere. Even the likes of the BNP try to publicly distance themselves from violence.


As far as MMO-C goes; I asked the global mod Darsithis about this and he said that calling for violence against people of a political ideology will not get an infraction, as long as you don't direct it specifically at another poster. So you can say that "All Democrats should be punched", but not "Kalis should be punched for being a Tory", you can't go as far as calling for murdering groups though.

A strange stance to me, as I would have thought that all calls for violence would be worthy of infraction, but there you go.

[prwraith]

The people have a moral obligation and a duty to defend the united states from enemies both foreign and domestic.

President trump is the enemy of the very ideal the united states is based on.

[Canpinter]

Peacefully? Sure it does, morally at least. Sit-ins fall under what you're talking about for instance.

would you extend this to people that block access to an abortion clinic by blocking chaining themselves to the entrance?

[Wells]

would you extend this to people that block access to an abortion clinic by blocking chaining themselves to the entrance?

Why would I view every cause as morally equal?

[Kalis]

Why would I view every cause as morally equal?

Morals are subjective, your morals are highly questionable from a modern Western social democracy standpoint.

[Wells]

Morals are subjective, your morals are highly questionable from a modern Western social democracy standpoint.

He asked me about my own soooooooooo

Anyway, "morality is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is super boring.

[Canpinter]

Why would I view every cause as morally equal?

so you think different causes have different moral rights when i comes to acceptable forms of protest?

[Wells]

so you think different causes have different moral rights when i comes to acceptable forms of protest?

I think protest in service of some causes is more moral than protest in service of other causes. Is that weird to you?

I think blockades of medical clinics is immoral because it seeks to deny women legal medical procedures. I think blockading Nazis is moral because....I mean really.

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You're getting really close to a position where you refuse to see any moral difference between sit-ins and white protesters trying to physically block school integration.

[Beazy]

Freedom on speech is a bitch aint` it OP?

[Canpinter]

I think protest in service of some causes is more moral than protest in service of other causes. Is that weird to you?

I think blockades of medical clinics is immoral because it seeks to deny women legal medical procedures. I think blockading Nazis is moral because....I mean really.

so you don't think having relatively standard rules of what forms of protests is acceptable is a more preferable situation to what basically boils down to "if i support it they can do what they want if i don't they cant"

[Kalis]

He asked me about my own soooooooooo

Anyway, "morality is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is super boring.

I find it fascinating when people who are extremists try to take any sort of moral highground against other political extremists.