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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    Lan has been casted

    https://tvline.com/2019/09/04/the-wh...agoran-amazon/

    "Criminal Minds‘ Daniel Henney has been cast as al’Lan Mandragoran in Amazon Prime’s series adaptation of The Wheel of Time, TVLine has learned."
    Really? I imagined Lan as some squared jawed, scandinavian type person.. all angles on his face and cold blue eyes.

    To cast anyone with full round cheeks not looking like grizzled, chiseled atlas type - to me is disappointing. Very disappointing.. they could at least have tried to make the character match the physical description.

    It's like casting an average woman for Lanfear - I mean can you imagine that? She is suppposed to be the most beautiful of all the female characters according to the book, they should cast a drop dead gorgeous woman.

    But no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I really wonder how they will animate Power battles. Because a lot of the action in the novels is essentially magic battles.
    That part could be awesome.. or a total disppointment. IF you are like me, then the way Jordan describes the casting defintiely was a huge box tick on the series. It really caught my attention. It would require something visually stunning to generate the same impact.

    I also very much wonder what it would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmAddict View Post
    Really? I imagined Lan as some squared jawed, scandinavian type person.. all angles on his face and cold blue eyes.

    To cast anyone with full round cheeks not looking like grizzled, chiseled atlas type - to me is disappointing. Very disappointing.. they could at least have tried to make the character match the physical description.

    It's like casting an average woman for Lanfear - I mean can you imagine that? She is suppposed to be the most beautiful of all the female characters according to the book, they should cast a drop dead gorgeous woman.

    But no.
    He does seem younger than I would have pictured Lan. He is ripped as hell though and I don't think he has all that round of cheeks. He has a strong chin as well and that is a plus. Also, and I am not an expert as I am only on book 4 atm but I heard someplace that Borderlanders in the books are said to have asian-ish features? Any WoT experts confirm or deny this?

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmAddict View Post
    To cast anyone with full round cheeks not looking like grizzled, chiseled atlas type - to me is disappointing..
    The picture in that link is not very good. Check out some other pictures - his face can look very chiseled and angular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Also, and I am not an expert as I am only on book 4 atm but I heard someplace that Borderlanders in the books are said to have asian-ish features? Any WoT experts confirm or deny this?
    Jordan doesn't give very much in the way of racial descriptions (with some exceptions, like the Atha'an Miere and Tuon) but the Borderlander culture has some very clear asian influences, as does the entire story to be completely honest. Asian actors are in no way out of place in Wheel of Time and I love their casting for Lan, he's definitely my favorite so far. They can easily age him up a bit with the right makeup and hair. The Emond's Field kids are all young, untested actors, which is exactly what all the GoT kids were at their beginning as well. I feel like they rose to the occasion and I have high hopes these ones will as well.
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  4. #204
    The book series got lost in the middle. I can only imagine how the show will do lol.

    Better or worse than the sword of truth series we'll see.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    The book series got lost in the middle. I can only imagine how the show will do lol.

    Better or worse than the sword of truth series we'll see.
    Well Rand has his own torture porn scenes in Book 6

  6. #206
    Crazy opinion follows.....

    I LOVE WoT. I don't think ANY of the books were bad and I really enjoyed the Sanderson books, I think he did an outstanding job given the fact that all he had was some rough outlines and sparse notes.

    Granted, Jordan was verbose many times in his descriptions of the clothes (especially once Nynaeve decided she liked to dress nicely) but I never had a problem with anything else. I LIKE the over descriptive scenes, really sparks the minds eye.

    Of course a lot will have to be cut for the series, which is understandable. But as far as sex scenes (to rival GoT) I have just one word - Graendel.

    I truly hope that the producers/writers do the series justice. IMHO, the world is head and shoulders above Westeros, much more interesting characters and lore. Cannot wait to see the Seanchan and the Daughter of the Nine Moons. Also looking forward to the CGI of the to'raken!


    BTW - I know she is a bit too old now, but Rachel Leigh Cook would have made a great Min.
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  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Well Rand has his own torture porn scenes in Book 6
    My number 1 problem with the books honestly is that as you go through the series the only interesting character (for me) Rand, gets less and less chapter time. To the point that I think some books he has 1, and others none. He's relegated to being heard about more than seeing what he's actually doing.

    Combined with the never-ending sexism anti-men everything from the aes sedai, that series was an absolute slog to get through from book 7-12

  8. #208
    "Anti-men?"
    Probably had an orgasm after Rand made that group of Aes Sedai kneel in book 6.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    The book series got lost in the middle. I can only imagine how the show will do lol.

    Better or worse than the sword of truth series we'll see.
    It was just over extended, basically books 7 through to the end could be done in 2 or 3 volumes instead of 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Combined with the never-ending sexism anti-men everything from the aes sedai, that series was an absolute slog to get through from book 7-12
    Definitely a quality drop from book 7 onwards in my opinion. But still a great series, 1-6 were phenomenal.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmAddict View Post
    It was just over extended, basically books 7 through to the end could be done in 2 or 3 volumes instead of 6

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    Definitely a quality drop from book 7 onwards in my opinion. But still a great series, 1-6 were phenomenal.
    Ultimately the issue was the pacing of certain events in the books. Perrin's arc with the Prophet and Faile's recovery was painfully drawn out and there was no redeeming character to it (outside Perrin interrogating the Shaido) . Matt's arc in Ebou Dar and then the escape with Tuon was also boring and only somewhat saved by Matt's natural charm. And anything with Egwene before her capture in the White Tower was just bad

  11. #211
    I like the wheel of times it actually the audio book I listen to while leveling. That said I can't see it being a good tv series... so much of it is inner monologues that I can't see any adaptations really working out in different mediums.

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Hittion View Post
    I like the wheel of times it actually the audio book I listen to while leveling. That said I can't see it being a good tv series... so much of it is inner monologues that I can't see any adaptations really working out in different mediums.
    They'd have to be smart and employ new devices, in a good way, like those shows where you can hear the inner thoughts from the character or a narrator pitches in.

    You are right on that last point though. They need to be innovative and fresh for the medium, in a way that would make it work.

  13. #213
    A large part of the reason GoT crashed and burned in the end was because the show runners ran out of source material and they are just not even close to even half way decent writers.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by warisking View Post
    A large part of the reason GoT crashed and burned in the end was because the show runners ran out of source material and they are just not even close to even half way decent writers.
    They had plenty of source material to work with, to be fair. They just refused to make use of it/do it justice. Dorne and Highgarden could have been so much more and had a number of intriguing characters. Some of which were simply butchered.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    He does seem younger than I would have pictured Lan. He is ripped as hell though and I don't think he has all that round of cheeks. He has a strong chin as well and that is a plus. Also, and I am not an expert as I am only on book 4 atm but I heard someplace that Borderlanders in the books are said to have asian-ish features? Any WoT experts confirm or deny this?
    Some parts of the Borderlands had Asian inspired culture - mainly Shienar, but Lan wasn't from there. Other parts of the Borderlands had their cultures inspired by other things.

    I can't recall any Asian looking people appearing in the books, though it has been a while since I last read it. There were a wide range of others that did appear though, from northern European, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean and African looking people - the Sea Folk and some of the Seanchan were African looking.

    Given they have decided to embrace diversity in the casting of the heroes, I wonder if they are also going to do the same for the villains - the Forsaken and Darkfriends, the Black Ajah, Elaida, Padan Fain and the White Cloaks.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Some parts of the Borderlands had Asian inspired culture - mainly Shienar, but Lan wasn't from there. Other parts of the Borderlands had their cultures inspired by other things.

    I can't recall any Asian looking people appearing in the books, though it has been a while since I last read it. There were a wide range of others that did appear though, from northern European, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean and African looking people - the Sea Folk and some of the Seanchan were African looking.

    Given they have decided to embrace diversity in the casting of the heroes, I wonder if they are also going to do the same for the villains - the Forsaken and Darkfriends, the Black Ajah, Elaida, Padan Fain and the White Cloaks.
    Embracing diversity is usually a red flag that a show Is going to be terrible... still fingers crossed.

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmAddict View Post
    They'd have to be smart and employ new devices, in a good way, like those shows where you can hear the inner thoughts from the character or a narrator pitches in.

    You are right on that last point though. They need to be innovative and fresh for the medium, in a way that would make it work.
    Rand is really the issue. For a good part of the series Rand is simply insane. It will take a very talented actor to present that properly.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Hittion View Post
    Embracing diversity is usually a red flag that a show Is going to be terrible... still fingers crossed.
    You also have the director talking about how the rand harem is problematic and people on production saying there are going to be major changes. They also cast one of the people from the sword of shannara disaster as one of their main characters. Getting a major CW vibe from the casting and director and that isn't a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    Much like all the cast so far, my first reaction was, “Eh. Sure. Why not.”

    None of these casts really cry out to me as being perfect, but none of them are totally wrong either.

    They’re all just. Yeah. Ok.
    Literally every single cast so far outside of maybe Rand has been a head scratcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    I believe Sanderson is being paid as a creative consultant on the series. So that should keep up the quality and consistency with the books.
    The casting says otherwise

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Some parts of the Borderlands had Asian inspired culture - mainly Shienar, but Lan wasn't from there. Other parts of the Borderlands had their cultures inspired by other things.

    I can't recall any Asian looking people appearing in the books, though it has been a while since I last read it. There were a wide range of others that did appear though, from northern European, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean and African looking people - the Sea Folk and some of the Seanchan were African looking.

    Given they have decided to embrace diversity in the casting of the heroes, I wonder if they are also going to do the same for the villains - the Forsaken and Darkfriends, the Black Ajah, Elaida, Padan Fain and the White Cloaks.
    The Seanchan struck me as african type people, ancient Egyptian type /East Africa with their very dark skin, but the Sea Folk were definitely of the Indian/Pakistan/Bangladeshi grade, with a mix of Arab and Gypsy.

    I never thought of Shienar as possibly Asian, but that could actually work quite well, definitely not Malkier, it had a very scandinavian vibe.


    Diversity is fine as long as it is where the source material put it to be.. Jordan was very detailed and meticulous, some groups are left to interpretation with a bit of flexibility like Shienar - others you really can't get wrong or it will spoil the book material - the Aiel have to be caucasian blond/red types, Andor really has to have that British vibe but with French colours, Cairhien that French vibe but with victorian colours... etc.

    the two rivers is definitely western too, it could be British or American typed.. anything else I feel would ruin it.


    I don't mind racial diversity if the book doesn't contradict it, I'm fine, I also don't mind sexual diversity if it's only hinted at - the book did not outright make that a major part, i know Game of thrones changed some of it's characters' sexual orientation - but I really hate when they change material to "be inclusive" - it seems a bad motive, it seems politically driven and dis-ingenious, like they feel they have to include to either get more critical acclaim, or get the LGTBQ gang support or avoid their boycott.

    It's like they just can't be honest and write/make stories they want to make, because that's what the story is - instead they have to have the token character here or there... but then they've been doing it since the 90s.

    i'm fine if the original concept is written that way, no problem, I just hate the changing stuff for socio political agendas like racial diversity, feminism and LGTBQ - I hate when they do that.

    If you want to have lots of white people and males in your program, then write a story about that. If you want to have a lot of black people, then write your story on that - same with feminism or lgtbq - don't go changing stories specifically written in a way to pander to modern socio-political agendas - it's so freaking false, it turns me off.

  20. #220
    Seanchan most certainly are not one type. The continent is probably larger than the area we see in the novels and we see a wide range of cultures, skin colors and facial structures among the Seanchan.

    Honestly the only thing that is weird is for people from the Two Rivers to look different from each other (except for Rand). The area is described as rather insular.

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