Chaos Blades changes

[Shamed]

The new stat weights come after a new patch with massive changes as usual. Nobody knows if haste is gonna be good or bad. It looks like it's gonna be better than it actually is. Still just speculation.

Just because you get personal stat weights favoring haste doesn't mean there is a secret treshold you want to achieve. It's literally anecdotycal.

I don't get why people keep preaching this after every patch. And no, I won't keep my opinion to myself because that would be spreading misinformation. Just do yourself a favor and start checking the class discord every once in a while.

I mean, a) I'm not preaching, and b) let me know when you start parsing oranges with less than 10% haste then I think people might start taking you a bit more seriously...

Simcraft while giving you personal values is all mathed out based on your class and spec. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't favor haste at all for me, it still favors Crit and Mastery, but when i drop haste, the value rises. I mean this just tells me you don't really understand how simcraft values work at all if you ask me.

Also misinformation? lol. Would love to see your sims and values cause your logs aren't that promising for someone who is going to be telling others how to select their stats.

[Fordprefect]

since the start of nighthold whenever i sim myself haste comes above everything else when i go too much mastery and leave haste under %9. if i hit +%10 haste than its normal crit>mastery>agi>haste. i always try to keep my crit around %45 and mastery around %35 in my raid build. im not trying to make people fail. im just trying to tell my situation and explain haste is not a "keep away from it its crap omg" stat in current state of demon hunters. and it will be somehow better in 7.2.5. and im not saying "go for 20k haste. its perfect." im saying yes in some situations like mine haste can be your top stat and that shows you need some haste in your gear to reach the maximum potential in live. in 7.2.5 haste will be more important. you cannot deny it. it really will be as they are buffing everything that haste buffs. ofcourse that doesnt mean haste will be better than mastery or crit or versa. but again "JUST FOR ME" and people like me its better than everything else atm and it will be better in next patch. and yes im checking my class discord everyday. thanks to all people smarter than me for the advice anyways.

[Achie]

I mean, a) I'm not preaching, and b) let me know when you start parsing oranges with less than 10% haste then I think people might start taking you a bit more seriously...

Simcraft while giving you personal values is all mathed out based on your class and spec. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't favor haste at all for me, it still favors Crit and Mastery, but when i drop haste, the value rises. I mean this just tells me you don't really understand how simcraft values work at all if you ask me.

Also misinformation? lol. Would love to see your sims and values cause your logs aren't that promising for someone who is going to be telling others how to select their stats.

I'm through with this, seriously. My logs/parses/stat weights got nothing to do with what we're discussing, it just shows how you deviate from the topic using Ad hominem.
You contradict yourself saying stat weights vary depending on the others and then saying there is a needed "cap/treshold" with haste at around 10%.
So tell me if simc tells me to gear for Crit/Mast with 5% haste what should I do? And please don't tell me this never happens.
Bottomline is, follow your simc values: they are personal and pretty much accurate. If you agree with this then we're on the same boat.

[Shamed]

I'm through with this, seriously. My logs/parses/stat weights got nothing to do with what we're discussing, it just shows how you deviate from the topic using Ad hominem.
You contradict yourself saying stat weights vary depending on the others and then saying there is a needed "cap/treshold" with haste at around 10%.
So tell me if simc tells me to gear for Crit/Mast with 5% haste what should I do? And please don't tell me this never happens.
Bottomline is, follow your simc values: they are personal and pretty much accurate. If you agree with this then we're on the same boat.

No, I think you are confusing yourself. There is a threshold so it seems, going off what multiple people ahve said and my own simming and testing. I believe parses on demon hunter is linked to your stat weightings and trinket/legendary selections. Due to the low skill cap of the class and specialisation, stat and gear selection is very important to how well you parse therefore reflected in your parses. It also leads me to believe that your simcraft would not tell you to get more haste being under 10%, I would love to see a screenshot or link or something. Because unless your version is out of date, it should not be varying that much. Yes it is personal, but the reason it is personal is because it's based off the gear your character has. It's still going to aim to give you a threshold for each stat. For instance crit lost value once you got over 40ish percent (with 4p) before the new traits came out. Now that the new traits are out crits value has sky rocketed beyond 40%. So crit no longer loses value at that threshold anymore.

While I do agree they are accurate, you can't follow pawn blindly either if it says it's like a 2% upgrade but your worst stats, because you are going to drop behind thresholds and when you resim, that piece will no longer be an upgrade. So while you are right there, I would really like to see what you sim is saying stat wise (assuming it is up to date) because I believe it should not be saying haste is that bad when you are below 10%.

[Deix-EU]

In fact we're all agree, it's just a matter of "how we perceive" the pounds of our stats. They are tresholds, they are just easily reached right now and we are one of those class like the ret for who 3 stats are VERY VERY close correlated and this is where the confusion starts. Which lead to getting over one and another treshold so easily. This needs to change cause this is a plea in fact for scalability (since we can't get every stats to the same level) and this is what blizz is trying to solve but here is already much flaw in the class design it's hard to do so for DH.

[Addyizor]

I mean, a) I'm not preaching, and b) let me know when you start parsing oranges with less than 10% haste then I think people might start taking you a bit more seriously...

Simcraft while giving you personal values is all mathed out based on your class and spec. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't favor haste at all for me, it still favors Crit and Mastery, but when i drop haste, the value rises. I mean this just tells me you don't really understand how simcraft values work at all if you ask me.

Also misinformation? lol. Would love to see your sims and values cause your logs aren't that promising for someone who is going to be telling others how to select their stats.

Parsed every boss 90+, avg 94 overall in mythic with 8.59% haste.

[Shamed]

In fact we're all agree, it's just a matter of "how we perceive" the pounds of our stats. They are tresholds, they are just easily reached right now and we are one of those class like the ret for who 3 stats are VERY VERY close correlated and this is where the confusion starts. Which lead to getting over one and another treshold so easily. This needs to change cause this is a plea in fact for scalability (since we can't get every stats to the same level) and this is what blizz is trying to solve but here is already much flaw in the class design it's hard to do so for DH.

Yeah completely agree, end of the day, blizz is devaluing mastery to make it easier to optimize. It's just waiting to see how much by.

Parsed every boss 90+, avg 94 overall in mythic with 8.59% haste.

would love to see some links to logs and sims. Haste will probably still be valued quite highly in your sims.

[Addyizor]

Yeah completely agree, end of the day, blizz is devaluing mastery to make it easier to optimize. It's just waiting to see how much by.



would love to see some links to logs and sims. Haste will probably still be valued quite highly in your sims.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking.../11#metric=dps

On phone so can't link Sims

[Shamed]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking.../11#metric=dps

On phone so can't link Sims

Very nice logs, from what I can see you have a bit more agi than me, and have traded 1k vers for 1k haste. At a glance you have a BTI which would definitely devalue haste for you, so that is probably part of the reason. Also in most of the ST fights where bracers aren't involved we have parsed quite similarly so yeah fair enough. But you still have close to that 10% haste I've been talking about, plus running proc based trinks (foci/BTI) kind of makes up for the lack of a stat. I try to use static trinkets myself due to the frustration of RNG already existent in the spec.

But yeah when you get home or w/e would love to see what your values are just out of interest .

[Zasriel]

Added the most important info from this thread to the main post...

[Addyizor]

Very nice logs, from what I can see you have a bit more agi than me, and have traded 1k vers for 1k haste. At a glance you have a BTI which would definitely devalue haste for you, so that is probably part of the reason. Also in most of the ST fights where bracers aren't involved we have parsed quite similarly so yeah fair enough. But you still have close to that 10% haste I've been talking about, plus running proc based trinks (foci/BTI) kind of makes up for the lack of a stat. I try to use static trinkets myself due to the frustration of RNG already existent in the spec.

But yeah when you get home or w/e would love to see what your values are just out of interest .

My BTI is really bad. Only 880. I'm usually using a 890 EoC when I can, but on some bosses like Tichondrius it just doesn't work. On my krosus parse I didn't have the EoC yet, and our killtime this week was really bad with shoulders.

http://imgur.com/a/yur1W

Shoulders/First Blood.

[Shamed]

My BTI is really bad. Only 880. I'm usually using a 890 EoC when I can, but on some bosses like Tichondrius it just doesn't work. On my krosus parse I didn't have the EoC yet, and our killtime this week was really bad with shoulders.

http://imgur.com/a/yur1W

Shoulders/First Blood.

Yeah my BTI is only 885 as well FeelsBadMan. But yeah, haste is valueing quite high for you atm as well, but you're at similar break points to me. It wouldn't hurt you to pick up some more haste and dump some vers, but then again that's only if you're super minmaxing.

[Addyizor]

Yeah my BTI is only 885 as well FeelsBadMan. But yeah, haste is valueing quite high for you atm as well, but you're at similar break points to me. It wouldn't hurt you to pick up some more haste and dump some vers, but then again that's only if you're super minmaxing.

Just taking the best gear I can. Got 925 gloves with Crit/Vers from Khara.

Also having 925 tier Legs/Chest(the ones with versa on) isn't great

[Shamed]

Just taking the best gear I can. Got 925 gloves with Crit/Vers from Khara.

Also having 925 tier Legs/Chest(the ones with versa on) isn't great

Yeah gotta take those 925 pieces when you can get em. ANYWAY, back on topic, has anyone been doing some raid testing with the Chaos Blades changes?

[zanzbar]

I mean, a) I'm not preaching, and b) let me know when you start parsing oranges with less than 10% haste then I think people might start taking you a bit more seriously...

Simcraft while giving you personal values is all mathed out based on your class and spec. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't favor haste at all for me, it still favors Crit and Mastery, but when i drop haste, the value rises. I mean this just tells me you don't really understand how simcraft values work at all if you ask me.

Also misinformation? lol. Would love to see your sims and values cause your logs aren't that promising for someone who is going to be telling others how to select their stats.

I have 9.38% haste, here are my logs.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...l/ward%C3%B2gs

[Addyizor]

I have 9.38% haste, here are my logs.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...l/ward%C3%B2gs

Playing Chest + EoC + Dinnerbell you're bound to do well anyway if rng is in your favor

[Shamed]

Playing Chest + EoC + Dinnerbell you're bound to do well anyway if rng is in your favor

This ^ also close to that 10% break point that I am talking about lol.

[Occar]

This ^ also close to that 10% break point that I am talking about lol.

You mean the break point that would only matter to someone running first blood (and only with perfect timing with something as low as 10%) when this person uses chaos cleave?

[Kash6]

Speaking of CC, does anyone know what stat threshold CC becomes better than first blood?

[Shamed]

You mean the break point that would only matter to someone running first blood (and only with perfect timing with something as low as 10%) when this person uses chaos cleave?

yep that is a rather good point as well, which is what this whole discussion has been born from. The fact that hast will in fact be more valuable next patch. And is currently valauble now, unless you are running a DB/CC build. I didn't really think of that tbh.