1. #2221
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    S3 Burnham was the fave Burnham. She felt way more.... human, I guess? She does more smiling, at least, that's good.
    I liked her hair too. I didn't hate the earlier versions of her, but this was the best one of her to date.

  2. #2222
    Captain Pike, the best-written character on the show thus far, aside- I think the writing for each of the individual characters is much stronger in season 3 than in previous seasons. I too like this version of Burnham a lot more than in previous seasons. As far as I am concerned the less made of Burnham's "Vulcan upbringing" the better because it is so at odds with her actions throughout the show. That was a dumb decision.

    Season 1 was the weakest by far. Moving the ship into the future and updating the tech was a very smart move. I also think the central plotline of S3 is genuinely more intriguing and a better stage for interpersonal drama.

    Like I just finished up the episode of S3 where Burham and Phillipa bust Booker out of the salvage camp. The entire arc over that episode was terrific. Admiral Vance was totally and logically in the right. His reasoning from the strat was absolutely sound and they used that to present a cool/risky adventure while following-up on the consequence of that adventure in a manner consistent with the motives. That was just great.

    I think Vance and Saru totally made the right decision.

    This is still the most insubordinate crew of any Trek show in my opinion though. None of these people do what they are told and they protest just about every command.
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

  3. #2223
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Captain Pike, the best-written character on the show thus far, aside- I think the writing for each of the individual characters is much stronger in season 3 than in previous seasons. I too like this version of Burnham a lot more than in previous seasons. As far as I am concerned the less made of Burnham's "Vulcan upbringing" the better because it is so at odds with her actions throughout the show. That was a dumb decision.

    Season 1 was the weakest by far. Moving the ship into the future and updating the tech was a very smart move. I also think the central plotline of S3 is genuinely more intriguing and a better stage for interpersonal drama.

    Like I just finished up the episode of S3 where Burham and Phillipa bust Booker out of the salvage camp. The entire arc over that episode was terrific. Admiral Vance was totally and logically in the right. His reasoning from the strat was absolutely sound and they used that to present a cool/risky adventure while following-up on the consequence of that adventure in a manner consistent with the motives. That was just great.

    I think Vance and Saru totally made the right decision.

    This is still the most insubordinate crew of any Trek show in my opinion though. None of these people do what they are told and they protest just about every command.
    It gets better, trust me.

    You enjoy these things a lot more if you watch first, then read the criticisms and debates after. I discovered that when I realised that I was getting angry and pissed uoff at shows i hadn't even watched, because i was reading too much commentary, then decided, okay.. this has to stop, cutt hem off, and just watched it for what it was, was so much better, .

    i could appreciate the complaints, but having seen it myself, the it wasn't able to spoil the fun.

  4. #2224
    ENSIGN Tilly being promoted all the way to First OFFICER. Bbbwhahah, I choked on my coffee!
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

  5. #2225
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    ENSIGN Tilly being promoted all the way to First OFFICER. Bbbwhahah, I choked on my coffee!
    Except that's not really a promotion, she's still an Ensign. It's a job title, a duty. And she doesn't do a spectacular job of it, so that one's on Saru. I don't really feel he was well-suited to the captain's chair ... but he made a great First Officer and conscience to the Captain.

    Throughout the course of Star Trek, let's not forget, we've seen Lieutenants and Ensigns and whatnot sit in the captain's chair numerous times and command a vessel. The Captain and First Officer typically are only on duty for a portion of the day, leaving the other shifts to lower ranked individuals. So, it's a stretch to give her that job but in Trek not totally impossible IMO.
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  6. #2226
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    ENSIGN Tilly being promoted all the way to First OFFICER. Bbbwhahah, I choked on my coffee!
    I was like wtf... but it wasn't off putting to me, it was charming.

  7. #2227
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Except that's not really a promotion, she's still an Ensign. It's a job title, a duty. And she doesn't do a spectacular job of it, so that one's on Saru. I don't really feel he was well-suited to the captain's chair ... but he made a great First Officer and conscience to the Captain.

    Throughout the course of Star Trek, let's not forget, we've seen Lieutenants and Ensigns and whatnot sit in the captain's chair numerous times and command a vessel. The Captain and First Officer typically are only on duty for a portion of the day, leaving the other shifts to lower ranked individuals. So, it's a stretch to give her that job but in Trek not totally impossible IMO.
    I don't care about the plausibility of her promotion, she is.portrayed as clearly being young and inexperienced. And her character is a goof most of the time. Its hilarious they are going so hard for this character.
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

  8. #2228
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    I don't care about the plausibility of her promotion, she is.portrayed as clearly being young and inexperienced. And her character is a goof most of the time. Its hilarious they are going so hard for this character.
    They are, indeed. It seems they want to give her more to do than just figure out sci-tech stuff with Stamets. I liked at the start of the season when they had her go down to the ice planet with Saru, it was interesting for the character. But I'm hopeful that in season 4 the First Officer bit gets left behind, especially considering she made a mess of it. That would actually be some nice character development as well.
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  9. #2229
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    They are, indeed. It seems they want to give her more to do than just figure out sci-tech stuff with Stamets. I liked at the start of the season when they had her go down to the ice planet with Saru, it was interesting for the character. But I'm hopeful that in season 4 the First Officer bit gets left behind, especially considering she made a mess of it. That would actually be some nice character development as well.
    Agree totally.
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    Finished Season 3. Was a little bit boring and sometimes felt like a chore to watch. I was also very disappointed with the big reveal regarding the burn. Is that all they could come up with? Something so devastating needs a far better otherworldly explanation.
    Yes...it is all they could come up with, they're just that awful and pale in comparison to even the worst of Star Trek. Their writing makes even things like Spock's brain look almost smart in comparison.

    That is what you get when they do something original...but 98% of their work is just watching Netflix all day and stealing ideas and scenarios from everything else.
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

  11. #2231
    Gotta admit, the lady from The Chain was making a lot of sense when she showed up with that treaty.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Uh, what. That is the cause of the burn? Fucking lame.

    Should have kept it as a forever mystery rather than resorting to that hokum. So lame.
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

  12. #2232
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Gotta admit, the lady from The Chain was making a lot of sense when she showed up with that treaty.
    Right up until she demonstrated that she was full of shit. I'm not really convinced she was ever willing to give up the power she would have had to in order to form an alliance like that, even without the admiral's demand that she step down and stand trial for her crimes.

  13. #2233
    I found the entire idea that Vance was letting them fly around the galaxy with basically zero supervision utterly ridiculous. His first instincts were right. Replace the crew (other than Paul), Get everyone caught up on the last ~900 years, and then see if they can actually still fit in Starfleet anymore.

    Ensign Tilly as First Officer is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is that the entire crew was like "Yay, that's awesome". Right. That's a huge slap in the face to basically everyone else and Saru would know that. Should have brought in someone from that century to serve as first officer...at least on a temporary basis.

    The explanation for the Burn was garbage.

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