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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    After 4 episodes its actually starting to feel like a real Star Trek show. Two episodes in a row where we get to see diplomacy!
    I have to agree, i like that we are now starting from a point of "discovery and diplomacy" again. Still a few cringe moments but that's sadly how things are going to be in today's climate till things are back to normal.

    Also like the Trill part, seems they are injecting some older working formulas and them travel into the future means writers can dream up new tech again that seems way out of our modern day reach.
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  2. #1822
    I have to admit the latest episode felt more like star trek than the whole rest of the show combined, which can only be a positive.
    The show should never have been a prequel and even the 'fix' of jumping the show into the future simple means they've had to devote an inordinate amount of time to explain why over a hundred people would give up their entire lives for Michael fucking burnham.

    That said wouldn't the Barzan chick be hearing Barzan all the time because that's how the translator works? IDK that was a super weird line, like wasn't there a plot point in a previous season about how many languages everyone speaks?
    Also, why would staying on the ship 'end her career'? Like I get the sad goodbye but someone had to pilot the ship back to Starfleet headquarters and discovery couldn't tow it because of the spore drive. I mean in the next scene The admiral recognizes she's on a federation ship doing federation work, seems like her career is fine.
    Why are the holograms seemingly less advanced than the EMH? Seems like the fight for hololife rights went down the shitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Each of them have a very different personality than Kirk and Spock though, so it is bound to be different. They are Captain and FO, so of course their relation should be good. Although the new, wilder personality of Burnham could put a strain in that relationship. Also they have known each other since the Shenzhou. In which their relation was more like Spock and McCoy.
    I'm simplifying but Burnham's a rule-bender (like Kirk) whereas Saru prefers a stricter interpretation of the rules (Spock didn't let emotion get in the way of duty). The key difference is the reversal of rank. Imagine what TOS would've been like if Kirk was First Officer and Spock was Captain.

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    I actually recently thought of a bit of a wrinkle/plot-hole type issue with the third season of "Discovery" as concerns the event called the Burn, where dilithium was somehow neutralized leading to the loss of warp propulsion for the Federation (not to mention the loss of many ships when their warp cores went breach). The Romulan Star Empire, as of the 24th century in TNG, used artificial quantum singularities as an energy source for warp travel as opposed to matter/anti-matter intermix system that uses dilithium. This was known technology to the Federation as of the close of TNG/DS9, so why couldn't the Federation refit its remaining craft with singularity drives as opposed to dilithium-based propulsion?

    Might be a technical reason of some kind behind it, but I couldn't seem to find one.
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    I enjoy Discovery. Then again, I can't watch any other Star Trek stuff (except the new movies) that isn't just memed on for being so horribly, horribly bad.. Mainly that being made before 2009. It's so bad. Horrible acting, effects (though that's bad aging really), and the episodes are sooooo... soooo boring. At least Discovery is interesting. There's a reason there's so many Star Trek memes after all.

    Mind you I feel the same about the Star Wars movies, the old ones are garbage, the new ones are decent ish. At least somewhat entertaining, compared to episode 4-6 or whatever it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    I'm simplifying but Burnham's a rule-bender (like Kirk) whereas Saru prefers a stricter interpretation of the rules (Spock didn't let emotion get in the way of duty). The key difference is the reversal of rank. Imagine what TOS would've been like if Kirk was First Officer and Spock was Captain.
    You do have a point here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I actually recently thought of a bit of a wrinkle/plot-hole type issue with the third season of "Discovery" as concerns the event called the Burn, where dilithium was somehow neutralized leading to the loss of warp propulsion for the Federation (not to mention the loss of many ships when their warp cores went breach). The Romulan Star Empire, as of the 24th century in TNG, used artificial quantum singularities as an energy source for warp travel as opposed to matter/anti-matter intermix system that uses dilithium. This was known technology to the Federation as of the close of TNG/DS9, so why couldn't the Federation refit its remaining craft with singularity drives as opposed to dilithium-based propulsion?

    Might be a technical reason of some kind behind it, but I couldn't seem to find one.
    Romulans used dilithium but perhaps for different reasons than everyone else.

    A popular theory is that the singularity drive is only used on larger military vessels. The primary reason that Romulans used a singularity drive is that it made cloaking more efficient. It may be less useful as a power source than M/AM but the Romulan military is less concerned with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    I enjoy Discovery. Then again, I can't watch any other Star Trek stuff (except the new movies) that isn't just memed on for being so horribly, horribly bad.. Mainly that being made before 2009. It's so bad. Horrible acting, effects (though that's bad aging really), and the episodes are sooooo... soooo boring. At least Discovery is interesting. There's a reason there's so many Star Trek memes after all.

    Mind you I feel the same about the Star Wars movies, the old ones are garbage, the new ones are decent ish. At least somewhat entertaining, compared to episode 4-6 or whatever it is.
    Couldn't agree more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Romulans used dilithium but perhaps for different reasons than everyone else.

    A popular theory is that the singularity drive is only used on larger military vessels. The primary reason that Romulans used a singularity drive is that it made cloaking more efficient. It may be less useful as a power source than M/AM but the Romulan military is less concerned with that.
    I guess the key point is that it could fuel warp propulsion and wasn't itself dependent on dilithium, at least based on what I could find of the technology. Might have been less efficient or powerful, but it worked - so I'm not sure why post-Burn ships couldn't use it.

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    That was great, I also liked the Voyager-J easter egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    That said wouldn't the Barzan chick be hearing Barzan all the time because that's how the translator works?
    They've always handwaved away how the universal translator actually works. I assume that hearing a language spoken by a native speaker is different than hearing it through the translator, if for no other reason than actually seeing their mouths match up to their vocalizations. I also assume that most people in Starfleet are speaking the same language while on duty (except those whom they make a point of showing them speaking their own). Like, I'm pretty sure there have been a couple mentions of all-Vulcan Starfleet ships, and I seriously doubt they're speaking English to one another.
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    The whole trill thing was the final slap in the face for fans of continuity like me and was when I finally decided to quit the show. Firstly, Riker was the first human host of a Trill symbiote, didn't have any mental issues with it, just physical. Secondly, DS9 established way more Trill can be hosts then they officially let on because the symbiotes are scarce and they don't want them to be a commodity. Fuck this show, really. I hate being punished for being a fan.

  13. #1833
    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheck View Post
    Secondly, DS9 established way more Trill can be hosts then they officially let on because the symbiotes are scarce and they don't want them to be a commodity. Fuck this show, really. I hate being punished for being a fan.
    Yeah, the whole not having enough hosts thing was weird and pointless. I assume it was just a quick and easy way for the 'crew' (lol Burnham) to save the day and why Trill needs the federation.
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    This series gets better with each season.

    If you are wondering give it a go, don't listen to the haters.

    It's been sweet to watch great star trek and great star wars in the same day. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheck View Post
    The whole trill thing was the final slap in the face for fans of continuity like me and was when I finally decided to quit the show. Firstly, Riker was the first human host of a Trill symbiote, didn't have any mental issues with it, just physical. Secondly, DS9 established way more Trill can be hosts then they officially let on because the symbiotes are scarce and they don't want them to be a commodity. Fuck this show, really. I hate being punished for being a fan.
    I don't think Riker was accorded as the first human host of a Trill symbiote because while he could carry one (Odan), he couldn't do so long-term as the human immune system appeared to reject the symbiote over time - eventually it would've killed them both. Adira is somehow able to host Tal long term, apparently. As for the whole host/symbiote deal, I thought it was supposed to be something of an ironic reversal. Originally as you said in DS9, there was the whole conspiracy with the Trill creating a kind of false scarcity of viable Trill hosts when in actually many hosts could be joined successfully, presumably to keep the status of joined host elite in some way. But now the situation is reversed with majority of joinable hosts having been devastated and the Trill seemingly on the verge of extinction.
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    So I am curious if anyone knows, are they planning to stay and integrate in this future timeline or is this all a passing oddysey as they 'find a way home' aka back to their timeline then zap 'Control'. As i always felt their response to control was treating the symptoms not the problem, that is to say, blowing it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheck View Post
    The whole trill thing was the final slap in the face for fans of continuity like me and was when I finally decided to quit the show. Firstly, Riker was the first human host of a Trill symbiote, didn't have any mental issues with it, just physical. Secondly, DS9 established way more Trill can be hosts then they officially let on because the symbiotes are scarce and they don't want them to be a commodity. Fuck this show, really. I hate being punished for being a fan.
    This is an alternate timeline though, hence the 'Burn' and such or am I wrong? Given your username surely you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheck View Post
    Secondly, DS9 established way more Trill can be hosts then they officially let on because the symbiotes are scarce and they don't want them to be a commodity. Fuck this show, really. I hate being punished for being a fan.
    So what's the assertion here? That there's no possible way something could have happened to their culture and/or physiology in the 800 years since the events in DS9 and that episode of Discovery? Was the change to the hosts' appearance between TNG and DS9 equally a slap in the face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    So I am curious if anyone knows, are they planning to stay and integrate in this future timeline or is this all a passing oddysey as they 'find a way home' aka back to their timeline then zap 'Control'. As i always felt their response to control was treating the symptoms not the problem, that is to say, blowing it up.
    I'm not the type of person who likes to go digging into shows that are still running like this, so I have no idea if they've said something to this effect in interviews. But they've given no in-universe indication that they're looking for a way back to their time. It would defeat the purpose of the sacrifice in the first place...unless they found a way to do it without the ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    This is an alternate timeline though, hence the 'Burn' and such or am I wrong? Given your username surely you know
    It's not an alternate timeline. It's hundreds of years in the future (beyond Picard/Sisko/Janeway/etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Saru is the highest ranking officer aboard the Discovery. Starfleet protocol makes him Captain.
    No it doesnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Science Officer Michael Burnham
    sje lost that rank when she went to prison and has since then NOT be reinstated!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    she is the lead character of Discovery just as Captain James Kirk was the lead character of the Original Series. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Again its now refreshing to see Discovery as a proper Star Trek series
    Watch TOS, TNG, DS9 and Enterprise and you see what PROPER Star Trek looks like

  19. #1839
    Quote Originally Posted by tmamass View Post
    No it doesnt.
    By naval tradition, anyone in command of a vessel is referred to as captain, regardless of rank; and command usually falls to the highest-ranked and/or most senior crew member present if the one duly appointed to command is no longer present.

    Quote Originally Posted by tmamass View Post
    sje lost that rank when she went to prison and has since then NOT be reinstated!
    "Science officer" is not a rank, it's a position, like e.g. "helmsman" or "chief engineer".

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    Saru wears 4 pips on his badge now:


    I don't think that follows any sort of protocol...but seeing as they were all officially pronounced dead hundreds of years ago, and he's been commanding the ship off and on since Lorca was outed as a Terran, I don't really think it's a big deal. There wasn't any ceremony or anything when Riker was elevated to Captain for a day (pips and all) in Best of Both Worlds. And Data even took the time to put on a red uniform when he was made first officer in Chain of Command (though his rank stayed the same).
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