1. #1961
    Loved this season of Discovery, and have loved all the other ones.

    Fortunately i've stayed away from all the social media posts and criticism. Not to say your criticisms aren't valid, but htey have a way of just ruining and poisoning what could otherwise be an enjoyable entertaining watch for people who don't care too much about detail or at least no how to suspend their crticial hat becuase they recognise it's all make belief, no point really.

    So yeh, I liked it, I enjoyed Burnham being an all out hero, liked how they wrote her, liked how other characters were shown too. The only thing perhaps they could have done more of, was go into the lives and characters of the other crew members like previous star trek shows did.

    I feel we only get to know 5 of the senior officers.. but then this is the case with all star trek

    TNG - Picard, Riker, Worf, Data, Geordie, Deanna, Beverly = 7
    DS9 - Sisco, Kira, Oddo, Jadzier, Julian, Quark, Miles, Worf = 8
    Voy - Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix, Kes = 7
    Disc - Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, Culber, Georgia, Lorca/Pike/Booker = 7

    Each show has notable extras though like Wesley/Barclay/Roh/Q etc

  2. #1962
    its valid what you say, i still watch the show because i also like some things on it to keep me going

    what's annoys me alot is so much her, the show could be so much better if the crew felt like a crew, on every star trek yes the captain were the star etc but the crew got so much story, all of them and in discovery is about her, 90% her in 3 seasons and much is to much

    yes they backup up a little on this season 3 but please make others also save the day not only her like is always his almost all the time but i'm glad that saru at least had his spotlight

    i hope Booker be a new member on his own and not be one more Burnham sidekick

    just to finish, yes Burnham annoys me more than Wesley, i didn't think anyone would make that feat

  3. #1963
    Quote Originally Posted by Spike` View Post
    on every star trek yes the captain were the star etc but the crew got so much story
    No, they didn't. TOS was all Kirk, Spock and McCoy. TNG was almost all Picard and Data. DS9 probably had the most well-rounded out cast of characters of any Trek incarnation. Yeah, you saw Scotty and Sulu and Uhura, but no episode revolved around them. TNG solved that a bit with occasional episodes focusing on someone other than Picard or Data but most episodes revolved around those two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren
    TNG - Picard, Riker, Worf, Data, Geordie, Deanna, Beverly = 7
    DS9 - Sisco, Kira, Oddo, Jadzier, Julian, Quark, Miles, Worf = 8
    Voy - Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix, Kes = 7
    Disc - Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, Culber, Georgia, Lorca/Pike/Booker = 7
    Actually to Discovery I would add Owo (was so glad she was ok), Detmer, Adira Tal, Gray, Vance, Airiam, Jett Reno, Ash Tyler, Cornwell, Nhan, and Landry all as characters that have had more screen time and development than the average Trek character. Compare pretty much any of those I just mentioned with Uhura in TOS, they have gotten much more development. For an added bonus, STO players get even more development of characters like Landry, Stamets and Lorca

    Discovery isn't perfect, but it's good and a new version of Trek and it's finding its audience. Hell, it's what has gotten my wife into Star Trek now and she's watched the Kelvin movies and selected episodes of TNG with me and is loving it all so far. People hated TNG when it first came out because it "wasn't Trek", not the way they remembered it.

    Oh, and my only quibble with the finale was Burnham fighting Osyrra and jumping all over the place like her leg was just fine ... and then afterwards going back to limping Oopsie!
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  4. #1964
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Oh, and my only quibble with the finale was Burnham fighting Osyrra and jumping all over the place like her leg was just fine ... and then afterwards going back to limping Oopsie!
    Adrenaline is a powerful drug..

    Why is Burnham so hated though? Shes not a Mary Sue, shes flawed and doesn't always save the day, she also nearly always pays for her mistakes. I thought Burnham (Kirk like personality), Saru (Spock basically.. but less logical and more about doing the right thing and following rules) and Giorgiou worked really well for the show.

    The only character I really don't like in this show is Tillie though.

  5. #1965
    Quote Originally Posted by Amarys View Post
    Why is Burnham so hated though? Shes not a Mary Sue, shes flawed and doesn't always save the day, she also nearly always pays for her mistakes.
    Seriously?

    She's court-martialed in the second episode and sentenced to life in prison, with Lorca pulling strings to get her out.

    Since that point questioning and downright insubordination have been a staple of her character.

    Now she commands Discovery as it's captain despite basically being told several episodes ago that she should get with the program or take a hike.

    She never really pays for her actions as it always works out for her in the end.

    Season 4 should be interesting though, as the captain she is massively impaired in her ability to freely move about the universe compared to her old commander/broker status.

  6. #1966
    Especially after the Almiral said that her unusual way works and have his approval, with that she has a green card to do anything and answer to no one

    Also if she makes Booker her new number 1 i will laugh so hard, would be f y to Saru and Tilly and even the rest of the crew

  7. #1967
    Quote Originally Posted by Ara Myrr View Post
    Seriously?

    She's court-martialed in the second episode and sentenced to life in prison, with Lorca pulling strings to get her out.

    Since that point questioning and downright insubordination have been a staple of her character.

    Now she commands Discovery as it's captain despite basically being told several episodes ago that she should get with the program or take a hike.

    She never really pays for her actions as it always works out for her in the end.

    Season 4 should be interesting though, as the captain she is massively impaired in her ability to freely move about the universe compared to her old commander/broker status.
    Yea but shes literally the same type of character Kirk was.. at least in the movies. Insubordinate, likes doing things her own way etc. Besides, she was groomed to be a captain right at the beginning of the series before things hit the fan. After that she was disgraces and punished and didn't really get back her position until season 3 and then she offered it to Saru instead.

    So season 1, she paid by being sent to prison and being a pariah and disliked by most and then now when she went against orders, she got demoted until the last episode. I guess realistically she only got the position cause Tillie was incompetent and Saru was partially to blame for putting her in charge. Burnham saved the situation when it mattered and she was key in getting the volcans back into the federation. I guess it makes sense the admiral wanted to keep her around and in line as opposed to her running off with her boyfriend again.

  8. #1968
    Quote Originally Posted by Amarys View Post
    Yea but shes literally the same type of character Kirk was.. at least in the movies. Insubordinate, likes doing things her own way etc. Besides, she was groomed to be a captain right at the beginning of the series before things hit the fan. After that she was disgraces and punished and didn't really get back her position until season 3 and then she offered it to Saru instead.

    So season 1, she paid by being sent to prison and being a pariah and disliked by most and then now when she went against orders, she got demoted until the last episode. I guess realistically she only got the position cause Tillie was incompetent and Saru was partially to blame for putting her in charge. Burnham saved the situation when it mattered and she was key in getting the volcans back into the federation. I guess it makes sense the admiral wanted to keep her around and in line as opposed to her running off with her boyfriend again.
    Don't be too shocked. Bigots have very little interest in justice and in the Federation, justice involves forgiveness and rehabilitation. People will tend to interpret their entertainment to their own ends. Some like the idea of a future where a post-demand economy leads to a world of hope and exploration. Others view Star Trek as nothing more than a fantasy where people and ships shoot rayguns at each other. You can always tell which is which.

    I'm happy with the season finale. There is a part of me that wishes that the Federation and Emerald Chain would've made amends although Vance's offer to Osyraa was obviously too much for her to bear.

    One issue I have is that there was an insufficient amount of salty science bastardry and salty engineering bitchery.
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  9. #1969
    Quote Originally Posted by Ara Myrr View Post
    She's court-martialed in the second episode and sentenced to life in prison, with Lorca pulling strings to get her out.
    Do we so quickly forget that Spock also committed mutiny and stole the Enterprise and should have been court-martialed but Starfleet was all "well, we'll not impose a death sentence just this one time because you wanted to help your old captain".

    And then there's the time the old crew stole the Enterprise out of spacedock against orders and disabled Starfleet's newest flagship. They ended up rewarded with a new Enterprise for that one 'cause they came back with whales.

    In fact, there's been a number of court-martials in Trek history https://screenrant.com/star-trek-cha...tial-arrested/
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  10. #1970
    I almost thought about coming back to this and watching the newest seasons.

    Glad I didn't.

  11. #1971
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I almost thought about coming back to this and watching the newest seasons.

    Glad I didn't.
    You should, it’s pretty good. S3 is better than any season of Voyager or Enterprise.

  12. #1972
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    You should, it’s pretty good. S3 is better than any season of Voyager or Enterprise.
    Ahahaha ehehehehe, and the Earth is flat.
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    I think many people will agree that genocide can be justified.

  13. #1973
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    Discovery has gotten a bit more weird and stuff. Still miles ahead of the cringe garbage that came before 2009.
    Wait..you're saying TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager are cringe?

    Big fucking yikes

  14. #1974
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    You should, it’s pretty good. S3 is better than any season of Voyager or Enterprise.
    hahahaha...gotta be the best joke in this thread

  15. #1975
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    You should, it’s pretty good. S3 is better than any season of Voyager or Enterprise.
    The only way I could see you being serious about this is if you were born sometime after 2000 and don't really care about lore consistency.

  16. #1976
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    You should, it’s pretty good. S3 is better than any season of Voyager or Enterprise.
    Pressing X to doubt here.

  17. #1977
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    The only way I could see you being serious about this is if you were born sometime after 2000 and don't really care about lore consistency.
    Started watching TOS when I was a kid. In the 70s. Watched TNG mostly as it originally aired and to a lesser extent DS9. Much of the 90/00's I didn't watch TV. Didn't finish watching all of it till it was added to Netflix.

    VOY and ENT weren't spectacular overall. They had individual episodes that were fantastic but a lot of it was filler that wasn't good enough for TNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpha View Post
    Ahahaha ehehehehe, and the Earth is flat.
    Gee I thought Hammerfest was the only flatearther who thought Star Trek was a fantasy. Guess I was wrong.

  18. #1978
    So what was the point of the 'nuke' in the last episode. Didn't feel very federationy.

  19. #1979
    Quote Originally Posted by tmamass View Post
    hahahaha...gotta be the best joke in this thread
    Nah, there's plenty of idiots in this thread who think Cancel Culture and Forced Diversity are real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticj View Post
    Wait..you're saying TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager are cringe?

    Big fucking yikes
    I mean..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0...ab_channel=CBS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRYw...nel=LexxAndera

    I remember watching Star Trek at the middle of night back in the 90s / early 00s and finding it funny how bad it was.

    If we're looking past the god awful visuals, which rivals the first Star Wars movies, the acting is bad, dialog is.. cringe, writing is.. yeah, cringe. Oof.
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