Is there an actual, real problem, that the OP solves? I'm not seeing one.
Yeah, sad not everybody has 897 ilevel on their characters -_-
Have you tried inspecting some of these people, half of them cannot even be bothered to finish their order hall campaign before signing up for lfr. I lost count of how many sub 800 weapons I have seen whilst they have been packing 2 non crafted legendary items not to mention the assholes signing up as a healer and not even having the healing artifact weapon.
If Blizzard cared at all they would have restricted role signups until you had that artifact weapon AND in order to sign up for raids you would have to have finished your order hall campaign because there is no way you get 1 let alone 2 legendary items in the time it takes you to finish the 110 stage of your order hall campaign.
890 from LFR TOS will mean nothing when mythic gear drops 930-940 baseline and goes up to 955
If anything, put normal/heroic/mythic on a shared lockout (Cata/MoP style), so mythic gear is more viable then farming 3 difficulties each week fishing for TF
There is absolultely 0 problems with LFR itemlevel as it's so low, even a TF LFR piece is lower then a mythic warforged 99.99% of the time.
Heroic titanforge overlapping with mythic is the big problem, not LFR.
WQ titanforge a problem too? when they have to go up 45-50 itemlevels as well...
I would be okay with a titanforge cap 5 below mythic baseline. Make mythic raiding gear it's own itemlevel range.
Like, ok, you get normal titanforge/heroic warforge or stuff from nethershards/M+, it caps at 925, mythic gear drops at 930 in ToS, can still TF to 955. Thus mythic is always far superior. Same could go for very high rated pvp or even mythic 20+ or something.
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Except WQ do not negate mythic loot at all, I've done 9000 WQ, and have seen a +45 like once, guess what, I've seen more 910-925 Heroic raid loot on people then 900 Raid Finder/World quest.
Last edited by Teri; 2017-05-20 at 11:24 PM.
Your points are correct in regards to past expansion, this expansion is far worse. When LFR heroes can get 925 titanforged gear, and I see it more often than I should, there's no incentive to players who spend hours and hours of progression to get a boss kill because 1 little kid can afk on a boss in LFR and get a better reward.
1 925 piece in hundreds of LFR kills doesn't make someone a mythic raider, just like a 915 person with 5 million gold doesn't make him a mythic raider.
Heroic titanforging higher then mythic is a bigger problem then LFR/WQ going up +70 levels which maybe happens 1 time in thousands of WQ/LFR kills.
You might feel it's happening all the time, but I have yet to see an armory of some fully 925 equipped LFR raider... prove me wrong (even if you can find someone with 3 pieces 925 LFR EN/ToV/NH, link it.
Last edited by Teri; 2017-05-20 at 11:39 PM.
The problem is the system, regardless of it happening once in 50 or once in 100, the fact that it happens is a problem and has been vocalized by the mythic community. There should be no reward from LFR, no gear, no tier, no trinkets. They had a good thing in WoD when they didn't give LFR heroes tier and trinkets that could be BiS.
The whole system needs to be fixed, I've seen more than a few heroic raiders who never stepped into mythic with higher ILs than half my 8/10M guild. Mythic needs to be rewarding, as it is its dying because there's literally no incentive to spend hours every week doing progression when you can just run heroic every week and have the same chance of getting the item as you could from mythic for a lot less work, effort, and time investment. Even the Gul'dan mount isn't an incentive because they have a low chance heroic mount that -most- people agree looks better than the mythic mount. Mythic just has no incentive and higher IL baseline isn't an incentive when some guilds have never seen a 925 piece from mythic, but have from heroic, like mine.
Ok...as an LFR raider....why should I care that "high end raiders" hate LFR? There are more of my crowd than there are of theirs. I think the delay should go away so things suit us more.
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Oh look, another "ban scrubz from getting welfare epicz..." thread. How original.
i agree on the first point, if you are clearing mythic on your main, or even normal mode, blizzard should not tempt players who don't want to LFR into doing so.
but the second point, i will NEVER understand. do the content for your own enjoyment, not to show someone else that you accomplished something that, frankly, isn't all that worth bragging about. if it makes you angry that other people are having fun doing something you find boring then you need to rethink your reason for playing this game in the first place.
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