game is unplayable

[topitopi]

dude just block the griefers. I block them in-match if I have to. You can even rally the other players to do the same and press on to win

[Deleted]

Usually if I join a game with a group of people who are particularly angry that i picked a particular hero they want or dont like how I fit into the team I usually accommodate and swap into the role / hero they dont then rage / troll / grief, challenging them is just fueling the fire. I'm climbing comfortable and that might be part of the reason.

[DeadmanWalking]

Except that's the opposite of what ranked is suppose to do.

You're suppose to be grouped up with people of similar skill, not "random".

It did put them with similar ranked players, but it also put him with randomly behaving players of which some are griefers.

[Endus]

I know we've had this debate before, but it just seems like complete nonsense to me to judge a player on anything other than winning or losing. Everything else just comes off as casual feel-good bullshit about how, "Your personal contribution matters! Never mind that it already 'matters' in the sense that if you're REALLY contributing then you'll win! But this way it makes it feel like your 'stupid team' isn't holding you back as much!"

Although I suppose that in the end any pug-based "competitive" mode is really just casual shit in the first place, so eh.

The problem is, this argument means that if 5 of your team play exceptionally well and you pull off a win despite #6 griefing the team or AFKing back at spawn, then the griefer deserves just as much rank gain as the rest of you.

The current system is meant to address that somewhat, and I think it's a good concept, even if we might waffle on exactly HOW it should do so.

[Tziva]

I don't play ranked in overwatch, but I've always wondered: how can you tell the difference between an intentional griefer and someone who just isn't very good?

My experience is that most people can't. I encounter players all the time who think anyone who is not very skilled mechanically or is ignorant of comp/strategy or insists on playing certain less useful heroes as griefing. In most instances, it seems clear the people they are complaining about are at least trying hard and just aren't very good. Worst case, they are people who are too selfish to swap off the specific heroes they want to play even if that hero is not working. Their intention is just to play what they want and win despite of that and often they are too oblivious to realise it's probably not going to happen. I'm not saying those people are awesome or that I want them on my team, but they're not trying to be malicious. They are out there shooting at the enemy, so it's obvious they are still trying to play the game.

Genuine griefers are usually pretty easy to spot. They will usually give themselves away in chat somehow by announcing they are throwing, or letting the other team know in game chat what your team is planning/doing. I've seen them ride over the enemy side and just dick around with emotes and voice lines instead of playing, or do something else obvious like play on the elevator or jump off the world repeatedly. I've also had two matches now where a small group of them instalocked tanks/healers and then just fucked around on the map by themselves away from the rest of their team and their objective (the latter I think were intentionally trying to derank). All these things are super blatant.

[Deleted]

No, you cant ban people for not playing like an esport professional.

Sorry to break it to you.

[DeadmanWalking]

No, you cant ban people for not playing like an esport professional.

Sorry to break it to you.

You can block anyone you want for any reason you want and you won't draw up with them again.

[Endus]

My experience is that most people can't. I encounter players all the time who think anyone who is not very skilled mechanically or is ignorant of comp/strategy or insists on playing certain less useful heroes as griefing. In most instances, it seems clear the people they are complaining about are at least trying hard and just aren't very good. Worst case, they are people who are too selfish to swap off the specific heroes they want to play even if that hero is not working. Their intention is just to play what they want and win despite of that and often they are too oblivious to realise it's probably not going to happen. I'm not saying those people are awesome or that I want them on my team, but they're not trying to be malicious. They are out there shooting at the enemy, so it's obvious they are still trying to play the game.

Genuine griefers are usually pretty easy to spot. They will usually give themselves away in chat somehow by announcing they are throwing, or letting the other team know in game chat what your team is planning/doing. I've seen them ride over the enemy side and just dick around with emotes and voice lines instead of playing, or do something else obvious like play on the elevator or jump off the world repeatedly. I've also had two matches now where a small group of them instalocked tanks/healers and then just fucked around on the map by themselves away from the rest of their team and their objective (the latter I think were intentionally trying to derank). All these things are super blatant.

Like, one of the few times I've seen an actual griefer, the guy was playing Torbjorn on Eichenwalde Attack. That wasn't why he was a griefer. He was a griefer because he continuously ran into the middle of the teamfight and would just stand there, not shooting, not placing turrets, just standing there, until he got killed. It was worse than just AFKing, because he was actively feeding the enemy team ult charge (I was on that enemy team, thankfully).

Someone just not being very good isn't proof of "throwing" or "griefing". The real stuff is SUPER obvious.

And sure; it's bad, but the report system is there and should be used.

[Siraeyou]

I've had more games ruined by aimbotters than griefers, if we want to talk about people making the game less than fun.

[Deleted]

Easy way to fix the problem, separate it into a solo and team queue. Much less QQ in general then.

[DeadmanWalking]

In my 10 placement matches I had 4 griefers on the enemy team, 3 were soldiers falling to their death repeatedly and the 4th was Tracer onend of kings row who would come out of respawn to fall in the hole. Their team seemed oblivious about it and in the case of Tracer I mentioned it to the opposing team and they said, "Wait, wut?" And that caused so much discord on the opposing team they couldn't even get the first control point. Psychological warfare at its best.

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Easy way to fix the problem, separate it into a solo and team queue. Much less QQ in general then.

What happens if you have a 5 man team with no solos to fill the 6th? Do you tell a friend to bugger off so you can get a 2 man?would you consider it fun if you look forward to your night of gaming with friends just to get the boot because your 6th couldn't make it for RL reasons?

[caractacus]

What happens if you have a 5 man team with no solos to fill the 6th? Do you tell a friend to bugger off so you can get a 2 man?would you consider it fun if you look forward to your night of gaming with friends just to get the boot because your 6th couldn't make it for RL reasons?

Takes me back to my cs days when we would sit on irc looking for a 5th

[Deleted]

You can block anyone you want for any reason you want and you won't draw up with them again.

Wrong, you cannot block someone from matchmaking.

[baskev]

like every other game there is a griefer that ruins the game, gain 20 rating from win and lose 40 due to griefers

does blizzard ever ban them??!???!?!? see the same players over and over in games and no bans???? this game is unplayable due to griefers

Dude welcome to overwatch...
This is the only reason why i do not play competitive.

[Amirila]

No, you cant ban people for not playing like an esport professional.

Sorry to break it to you.

Can ban an esport professional for griefing/trolling though

[Nitro Fun]

I don't play ranked in overwatch, but I've always wondered: how can you tell the difference between an intentional griefer and someone who just isn't very good?

The people who aren't very good apologizes, the griefer goes "u mad bro? U MAD BRO?" when they place symmetra teleporter just outside spawn or when they block you off with meis icewall.

[Deleted]

Can ban an esport professional for griefing/trolling though

Yeah, well Esport tournaments got very strict policies with that. Not just Overwatch. League is a good example, you are harshly and immediately punished for showing unsportsmanlike conduct.
I like some banter now and then, but i understand why they got the rules. Grey borders beg to be crossed, and as such they just have a no tolerance policy.

Maybe blizzard will commit resources to negative behavior in Overwatch, but so far it seems as that aint happening, blizzard support is a meme.

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The people who aren't very good apologizes, the griefer goes "u mad bro? U MAD BRO?" when they place symmetra teleporter just outside spawn or when they block you off with meis icewall.

Its easy if you try make it black and white like that, between two extremes.
The problem is: What about the middle ground?

What about an attacking symmetra that tries their best? Some see it as trolling/griefing. The Symmetra however will see the teams hostile reaction as griefing.

[Tziva]

Yeah I don't know what block actually does except perma mute someone. It doesn't stop you from being grouped with someone; Blizzard took out that functionality last year because people were using it to avoid really good players AFAIK.

[Nitro Fun]

If you're gaining 20 rank for wins, and losing 40 for losses, it's because you're over-ranked as it is, based on your performance. A griefer might make you lose, but they're not increasing the rank you lose.

I doubt it's measuring based on performance. I've been trying to throw games quite some times this season due to me not wanting some assholes to win, picking mercy and just running into the enemy shooting with my blaster. I get 20-30 per win and lose like 20 when I'm doing this. What performance is it measuring exactly?

[Very Tired]

Easy way to fix the problem, separate it into a solo and team queue. Much less QQ in general then.

That has been the good idea that's been around for a while, but Blizz refuses to listen to it because they believe not having it will force people to make more friends, as stated at Blizzcon... the only place you could have gotten an answer from them on this, they were rather content to just ignore it on the forums.

But I still get a good laugh from all the people crying "b-but what about the 5 man groups" when the idea gets suggested. Like the idea of an ONLY solo and team queue is set is stone and Blizz is unable to alter the idea in anyway whatsoever.