1. #5601
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    1. Can't trust media (Twitch,Youtube ect).
    2. But they made a good game before ( Mass Effect,Halo as examples).
    3. It is the publishers fault (In Destiny's case Activision) even tho time and time again its actually shown its ether fully the developers fault or its 50/50 (in the case of anthem its 50/50)
    Just to highlight one point, because I agree with you on some others, but why do you think in the case of Anthem it's 50/50 with developer and publisher? EA has been hands off with Anthem, just like it was with Apex. Unless you are just believing the moron media that jumped on the hate train months before the game launched...

    I do think though that it very much depnds on the game or style of game whether you can tell you would like it and/or it's good just from watching others play. If you watched a WoW raid being streamed without any background into playing the game that would be a poor example of showing you if you'd enjoy playing the game yourself. Gramted that's an extreme example, but there are a handful like that out there.

  2. #5602
    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    Theres just a small hanfdul of people who keep spamming positives. Drift back some pages and you'll see who they are.

    If they love the game, God bless. But I do wonder why they are here defending the game, instead of playing.

    I suppose the positive posters just want to justify their purchase (expensive if they bought in early). This thread will die soon enough. The future fixes / updates won't be enough for players to Give a FF. It's an EA game .. mean't to cash grab initially, then disappear slowly after launch.

    The updates will be around once the server stress dies down and get merged.
    You can have multiple thoughts in your head where you enjoy the game but recognize it has issues. Issues that probably will get fixed in time.

  3. #5603
    Quote Originally Posted by yasiru View Post
    Just to highlight one point, because I agree with you on some others, but why do you think in the case of Anthem it's 50/50 with developer and publisher? EA has been hands off with Anthem, just like it was with Apex. Unless you are just believing the moron media that jumped on the hate train months before the game launched...
    EA was not hands off with Anthem, They was fully hands on. No big publisher like EA would be hands off with there biggest IP of the year by far.

    That is why its 50/50.

    But it isn't EA's fault that there is only 3 quest types in Anthem and a lack of endgame content.
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  4. #5604
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Or they're not experiencing some of the more significant issues and are still enjoying the game. It's happened even with games like No Man's Sky where the game is deeply flawed but folks still managed to enjoy themselves in it.

    And no, it's not a "cash grab", if it was they wouldn't have made it an online game where all content is provided for free. That's a nonsensical position to take. If it was a "cash grab" they'd be leveraging an existing popular IP (like Star Wars) and shitting out a cheaply made game with no promises of additional support, much less free content. Creating a new IP is literally the opposite of a "cash grab", because new IP's always come with big risks.
    EA promised so much additional support with SWTOR. It's really tough to forget.

    Ironically, once SWTOR launched, players got zero support, instead of additional support

    --

    As you mention, it is a new IP, and as such, there are no licensing fees (as with SWTOR). This may be the games saving grace, although only time will tell.

    It's hard to view EA the same way I used to a decade ago :/ Very hard... with very little trust.

  5. #5605
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    EA was not hands off with Anthem, They was fully hands on. No big publisher like EA would be hands off with there biggest IP of the year by far.
    Citation required*

  6. #5606
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Citation required*
    Its EA, They own Anthem and they are always hands on with their biggest IP's even more so when its going to be the biggest IP they drop this year......

    A citation isn't required only common sense.

    (To be clear not fully blaming EA ether, Bioware is the other half of the coin).
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  7. #5607
    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    EA promised so much additional support with SWTOR. It's really tough to forget.

    Ironically, once SWTOR launched, players got zero support, instead of additional support
    Except that's not remotely true. At all.

    It launched and was a disaster, and there was never any chance that they were going to have monthly updates like they promised (pretty much no MMO has ever pulled this off). The issues were far more widespread because BW was caught on their back feet (they thought it would take players 3-5 MONTHS to hit level 50 and couldn't believe folks were hitting that in days/weeks) and most of the initial time was more focused on trying to shore up a very, very leaky ship.

    Even despite that and despite layoffs, they still had some decent updates leading into a pretty solid version of the game when it went F2P. The F2P model sucked, but it came with an expansion following not too much later (if my timelines are correct). Expansion was good, content updates were pretty good, and it got 3 more expansions since then plus plenty of other updates.

    It's slowed in recent years due to the game slowly earning less and less money and apparently some of the team being pulled to work on Anthem, but trying to claim it got zero support is completely, 100% factually incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    As you mention, it is a new IP, and as such, there are no licensing fees (as with SWTOR). This may be the games saving grace, although only time will tell.
    They already paid for the license, they'd just lose some potential revenue sharing if that's part of their agreement. But even with that they still have tons of internal IP's they can use.

    Command and Conquer? Dead Space? Battlefield? PvZ? The Sims? I mean, they've got a boatload of popular IP's that they can either bring back from the dead or are still active and can easily be pulled from.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    It's hard to view EA the same way I used to a decade ago :/ Very hard... with very little trust.
    Fair, EA has fucked up plenty over the years and there are plenty of legit criticisms to direct their way. But some of the hyperbole is silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Its EA, They own Anthem and they are always hands on with their biggest IP's even more so when its going to be the biggest IP they drop this year......

    A citation isn't required only common sense.
    That's not a citation, that's your opinion.

  8. #5608
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Oh my young padawan, yes I have, let me show you da way ~

    Grab ad-block, add a custom filter with: mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored

    There ya go ~ still not perfect, but it helps a lot.
    Filtering out the white boxes does nothing for seeing the quotes everywhere though, which is easily the most important part. Since it effectively nullifies the ignore.
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  9. #5609
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    That's not a citation, that's your opinion.
    Feel free to prove it wrong.

    Respawn says EA was hands off but Bioware says nothing..... Shit isn't hard to figure out and you don't need some inside source to do it ether.

    Like I said I don't fully blame EA but the blame is 50/50.
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  10. #5610
    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    If they love the game, God bless. But I do wonder why they are here defending the game, instead of playing.
    I have two monitors, games literally running on the other one as I type this. Though I wouldn't say I "love" the game, just that I see its potential. Its very much an unfinished game with lots of flaws, but nothing worse than what I've dealt with in other titles that went on to be successes.

    This is a website filled with blizzard gamers, and blizzard made their entire reputation on polish, polish, polish. That polishing tended to happen *after* the game was launched, which is why there was and continues to be the beta memes.
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  11. #5611
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Its EA, They own Anthem and they are always hands on with their biggest IP's even more so when its going to be the biggest IP they drop this year......

    A citation isn't required only common sense.

    (To be clear not fully blaming EA ether, Bioware is the other half of the coin).
    Source for them being hands on with their biggest IPs? Most of what I've read about EA says they're pretty hands-off. Studios go to them with a pitch and then they have a bit of a negotiation to decide what features the game will have, how much cash they'll need and when it will be ready. EA's biggest sin seems to be giving the studios that much leeway but then not giving them extra cash or more time when the project ends up over budget or behind schedule.

  12. #5612
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Oh it was, I fully acknowledge that... and I blame her pointless love interest for most part of it, still enjoyed the movie nonetheless.
    But to bring it back on topic, people just need to be a bit more objective instead of just jumping on a bandwagon. If I hadn't actually played Anthem to see for myself if the game was worth a damn, and just listened to the big youtubers and reviews, I'd probably think the game was a steaming pile of bugs and terrible decisions. But I DID play the game for myself, and discovered that it was fine....very enjoyable even, despite some of the bugs I actually encountered.

    A lot of people like to say they can learn everything they need to know about a game by watching streams or youtube videos. And don't get me wrong, that's a powerful tool! But it's the difference between book learning and actual first-hand experience.

  13. #5613
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Filtering out the white boxes does nothing for seeing the quotes everywhere though, which is easily the most important part. Since it effectively nullifies the ignore.
    TBH I don't mind having seeing the box where people on my ignore-list have posted, mostly it's just a reminder that is probably isn't worthwhile replying to them.

  14. #5614
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Feel free to prove it wrong.
    That's not how this works dude. You're making the claim that they're very hands-on, it's up to you to back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Respawn says EA was hands off but Bioware says nothing..... Shit isn't hard to figure out and you don't need some inside source to do it ether.
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-us-what-to-do

    It's dated, but here's an article with the BW Doctors refuting that claim back in 2011. It's been a common refrain since forever and while it may be true with some specific games it's not universally true.

    Unless you have something more recently that contradicts this, it's remains the case.

  15. #5615
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Feel free to prove it wrong.

    Respawn says EA was hands off but Bioware says nothing..... Shit isn't hard to figure out and you don't need some inside source to do it ether.

    Like I said I don't fully blame EA but the blame is 50/50.
    OMAGALOL! Sorry, burden of proof lies with the person making the assertion.

  16. #5616
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Its EA, They own Anthem and they are always hands on with their biggest IP's even more so when its going to be the biggest IP they drop this year......

    A citation isn't required only common sense.

    (To be clear not fully blaming EA ether, Bioware is the other half of the coin).
    From what I understand it's in the contract between Bioware and EA that EA is basically hands off with Anthem, so no it's not common sense. This is completely your opinion and that's fine but let's call a spade a spade. I'm sure EA's recent lawsuits and such are also part of the reason though.

  17. #5617
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    TBH I don't mind having seeing the box where people on my ignore-list have posted, mostly it's just a reminder that is probably isn't worthwhile replying to them.
    Seeing their posts does that for me.
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  18. #5618
    JT do you change your opinion based on the thread?

    In Sekiro you were giving me shit for suggesting activision had vision over that game now you're coming up with BS saying EA are hands on with no proof.

    Whatever agenda suits I guess
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  19. #5619
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    I have two monitors, games literally running on the other one as I type this.
    Same here - one thing where they could definitely make an objective improvement is cutting down on the loading screens, though I haven't run into any that last more than 20 or so seconds.

  20. #5620
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Except that's not remotely true. At all.

    It launched and was a disaster, and there was never any chance that they were going to have monthly updates like they promised (pretty much no MMO has ever pulled this off). The issues were far more widespread because BW was caught on their back feet (they thought it would take players 3-5 MONTHS to hit level 50 and couldn't believe folks were hitting that in days/weeks) and most of the initial time was more focused on trying to shore up a very, very leaky ship.
    For what it's worth, I gave them over a hundred bug reports, as an active multiple version beta tester for SWTOR.

    None of the issues I reported got fixed.

    So .. when the game released in a buggy state, I was sorta pissed off. How can you do this to freakin' Star Wars?

    Stuff like cheats to get from your starting planet to your main ship hub, without doing any of the quests, spots to fall through the world, missing items, broken quests, no reward if inventory is full.. sometimes no reward at all (maybe if grouped? I asked them that question too), quest chains that didn't make sense, or didn't follow up properly .. chains that were shown, but didn't match the outcome of what a user experienced previously, lost mail, crafting glitches, etc, etc, etc.

    For shits and giggles, I don't know if it still works, but to get to the ship hub as a lv 1, go into an ocean (North, in one of the starting locals for empire), far from land before you drown. You'll die. When you respawn you'll be on your respective Empire ship, ready to spam-bot for invites, gold, or just good old fashioned trolling, as lv 1. Without ever doing the quest chain to fly off your starting planet.

    Reported 6 months prior to launch. Fixed? Nah, day 1 exploit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Even despite that and despite layoffs, they still had some decent updates leading into a pretty solid version of the game when it went F2P. The F2P model sucked, but it came with an expansion following not too much later (if my timelines are correct). Expansion was good, content updates were pretty good, and it got 3 more expansions since then plus plenty of other updates.
    The F2P ruined SW Canon. The gambling boxes ultimately kept me away though. Even though the new gambling Reputation was silly, it was still a character attribute, and could only be gained via loot boxes.

    The ridiculous mounts / vehicles didn't help.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post

    It's slowed in recent years due to the game slowly earning less and less money and apparently some of the team being pulled to work on Anthem, but trying to claim it got zero support is completely, 100% factually incorrect.
    Our ideas of support differ perhaps. I don't coun't a years+ subscription of SWTOR just to get one small DLC as support. Over 8 years. Several updates.. Hmm.

    When I did have tickets open long ago, they would just sit for a week-10 days, until they timed out and simply disappeared.
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