1. #7521
    I hope they finish DA4 before EA justifiably closes them.

  2. #7522
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Hold up. Did they actually call a 60 dollar worldwide retail release Early Access? fuuuuuck off.
    No, they just used stupid terminology.

    They're referencing the start of early access launch rather than the proper launch, not implying that the game is still in early access. It makes me wonder just how much they're actually reading community discussions, because that's been a particular sore spot for folks and what one would pretty safely call a "meme" : P

    Quote Originally Posted by Faldric View Post
    Really baffled by their PR decisions.
    As a PR dude, I can guarantee that no PR folks were involved in this (community isn't PR).

  3. #7523
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    I hope they finish DA4 before EA justifiably closes them.
    Without the leadership of the previous games, based on Anthems flawed codebase, designed as another GaaS: I hope they sell the IP to someone competent.

  4. #7524
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No, they just used stupid terminology.

    They're referencing the start of early access launch rather than the proper launch, not implying that the game is still in early access. It makes me wonder just how much they're actually reading community discussions, because that's been a particular sore spot for folks and what one would pretty safely call a "meme" : P
    That still seems like a really shortsighted "this lets us massage the narrative" PR choice to distance themselves from 'full retail release we charged 60 bucks for'. Did they even use the term "retail release" at all in the updates?
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  5. #7525
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    I hope they finish DA4 before EA justifiably closes them.
    I hope not. Or at the very least let them just create the story. But even then its not like all of the Dragon Age has stellar story. It still annoys me that Awakenings was pretty much ignored. Or that inquisitions best story came from DLC. Bioware's strength has always been their story and conceptualizing. It would be interesting to see if EA could make it work to "lease" Bioware out to studios to do those aspects of the games.

    One thing is for sure is Bioware needs DA4 to be an epic success. That or some how manage to turn Anthem into a late blooming story (or somehow justify an anthem 2 to get it right)
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  6. #7526
    Quote Originally Posted by Faldric View Post
    Without the leadership of the previous games, based on Anthems flawed codebase, designed as another GaaS: I hope they sell the IP to someone competent.
    Well, that is definitely a better option. Their decision to use Anthem as their base instead of Inquisition is bizarre to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    I hope not. Or at the very least let them just create the story. But even then its not like all of the Dragon Age has stellar story. It still annoys me that Awakenings was pretty much ignored. Or that inquisitions best story came from DLC. Bioware's strength has always been their story and conceptualizing. It would be interesting to see if EA could make it work to "lease" Bioware out to studios to do those aspects of the games.

    One thing is for sure is Bioware needs DA4 to be an epic success. That or some how manage to turn Anthem into a late blooming story (or somehow justify an anthem 2 to get it right)
    If it's not single player I don't even want it to succeed, honestly. The one concept I heard of other people dropping in as your party members sounds like trash. I guess we'll see - their IPs are great but the studio itself obviously has one of the most inept leadership teams in the industry when under any sort of outside schedule.

    As for Anthem, I feel like they're too far from their initial concepts that they had some passion for to be able to get themselves out of the corner. Perhaps their limited world building and low effort thus far gives them an opportunity to bring something completely unexpected, though; an essential story rewrite post release.

  7. #7527
    Reading this:
    While we have delivered many of the Act 1 features on time....snip
    I actually laughed out loud at the nutty-ness of bioware saying that. bioware actually saying they delivered on many of the features on time for Act 1 when the truth is. They delivered on two things and pushed back most features.

    bioware delivered on few features not many features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Reading this:


    I actually laughed out loud at the nutty-ness of bioware saying that. bioware actually saying they delivered on many of the features on time for Act 1 when the truth is. They delivered on two things and pushed back most features.

    bioware delivered on few features not many features.
    Was definitely a weird thing to say.

    They've spent the entire time in triage mode trying to fix bugs and stability. They've made some good QoL changes, especially things the community asked for, but a lot of those things are "should've been done in the first place if you have any experience playing these kinds of games" kind of things so they don't feel like something they should be praised for.

    They aren't delivering on content at all, but that isn't surprising based on what we've heard about the process. Not really worth stressing about at this point, we know the situation. Just gotta wait it out and see what comes when it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I imagine the team working on Anthem got cut down heavily after release. Not just people going back to their respective teams after they were all pulled to re-make Anthem last minute but also people being moved over to DA:4.

    I'd guess the team left on Anthem is not big enough to handle the work needed to fix the game.
    It's not like people in charge and people who actually do stuff were in disagreement about deadlines on this "roadmap", but since people in charge are in charge they did whatever they felt like doing. Which leads us to this situation, where people who actually work on the game can't do everything in time
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  10. #7530
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Reading this:


    I actually laughed out loud at the nutty-ness of bioware saying that. bioware actually saying they delivered on many of the features on time for Act 1 when the truth is. They delivered on two things and pushed back most features.

    bioware delivered on few features not many features.
    Hey man they almost have all the features of Destinys ps3 closed beta test from 2013, thats the power of bioware magic at work!
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  11. #7531
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    BF 5 is considered a flop internally, despite what most would regard as good sales. Anthem is probably going to hit 3 million or so sales, in the first month, realistically. Its the type of game that just isn't going to have a massive initial impact, as a lot of people are just curious about it, but still unsure of what to think or expect from it.

    The general public is fairly uninformed about it currently, but they (EA) are pushing hard with the marketing.

    I don't think that the way EA functions currently is sustainable, as their expectations and the demands of share holders are guiding the company to a highly unrealistic place.

    It's why Dead Space became an action, co-op game and why Dungeon Keeper got dumped on mobile. They're playing marketing buzzword whack-a-mole and the reason why Anthem has no Invested end game is because it's not proved itself as financially viable to do, yet.

    If Anthem breaks its sale targets, I'd expect a healthy end game dlc to be dropped in Q3/4 this year. If not, probably just some stingy dlc full of store based mtx content will be added.

    Mass Effect is basically done with and if Anthem fails to meet internal expectations, we will probably see one last Dragon Age game out of Bioware before they're shuttered for good.
    Just going to call back to myself on this.

    With the player base completely severed after the first month of release, I don't see things going well.

    I still expect they will put out one decent portion of DLC later in the year, but they're probably already on a skeleton crew producing it.

    The bug fixes, etc are required, things that I saw and reported in the Alpha last year have only just started to be fixed now.

    Its in EA's best interests to finally step in, get Dragon Age 4 done right with a united Bioware, or just dissolve the company if they fail to perform again, even with Casey back on board.

  12. #7532
    At this very moment it's dead.

    The stream was pointless and they have nothing to offer till at least mid-june, assuming there's no further delays on whatever they plan to add.

    They did add a new stronghold, another pointless one that takes to long and rewards to little.

  13. #7533
    When PR people can never say things right. They should never said "early access" because of the stigma with Steam of that word. I get they meant the days Preorders and Premier users got the game early before retail launch. Still the better word would been "Launch" since early Launch didnt get a patch till retail launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    I hope they finish DA4 before EA justifiably closes them.
    At the rate this is going, I wouldn't expect that to even be close to what fans of the series would want out of a sequel.

  15. #7535
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Hey man they almost have all the features of Destinys ps3 closed beta test from 2013, thats the power of bioware magic at work!
    It's nothing but a little bioware - MAGIC!

    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Was definitely a weird thing to say.
    SNIP....
    Weird is putting it lightly. Learning biowares current plans for the game, what is postponed and then reading that statement, it makes me question biowares current mental state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by americandavey View Post
    When PR people can never say things right. They should never said "early access" because of the stigma with Steam of that word. I get they meant the days Preorders and Premier users got the game early before retail launch. Still the better word would been "Launch" since early Launch didnt get a patch till retail launch.
    They literally said Early Access Launch. They called the early launch period Early Access (because you know you accessed it early). As usually people are taking to extremes certain words just to give a reason to hate or rage or whatever you want to call those negative emotions.
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  17. #7537
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    They literally said Early Access Launch. They called the early launch period Early Access (because you know you accessed it early). As usually people are taking to extremes certain words just to give a reason to hate or rage or whatever you want to call those negative emotions.
    No. Its because it released in the state of an "Early Access" game.

    You know, half finished, but full price, devs taking your money and promising updates, which may come, eventually, 3 years down the line.

    Like 7 Days To Die. That's almost out of beta alpha now.

  18. #7538
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    No. Its because it released in the state of an "Early Access" game. You know, half finished, but full price, devs taking your money and promising updates, which may come, eventually, 3 years down the line. Like 7 Days To Die. That's almost out of beta alpha now.
    So you are claiming that people wouldn't be outraged if they didn't use the same label as all of their marketing material? If they said Early launch no one would be upset at all. Gotcha.
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  19. #7539
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So you are claiming that people wouldn't be outraged if they didn't use the same label as all of their marketing material? If they said Early launch no one would be upset at all. Gotcha.
    A successful game will say "It's been 9 weeks since launch, and things are going great"

    Referencing the 1 week early access period is a PR tactic to justify the lack of progress they have on the game, and the laundry list of debilitating bugs and issues.

  20. #7540
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So you are claiming that people wouldn't be outraged if they didn't use the same label as all of their marketing material? If they said Early launch no one would be upset at all. Gotcha.
    No, I think you're missing the point.

    Because it was referred to as an "Early Access Launch", they've disparaged themselves and left themselves open to further criticism. As americandavey said and I clarified, it's a connotation associated with half finished, undercooked games with a long legacy of issues and bad releases, for games no where near ready for public retail.

    Yet, still games are released that way and Anthem lends itself to the associated stigma quite aptly.

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