1. #7561
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyvax View Post
    A successful game will say "It's been 9 weeks since launch, and things are going great"

    Referencing the 1 week early access period is a PR tactic to justify the lack of progress they have on the game, and the laundry list of debilitating bugs and issues.
    You have to be pretty much an idiot to read from "It's been 10 weeks since our early access launch" that they actually say the game is still in early access.
    If they'd said "It's been 9 weeks since launch" then the same idiots would say "Daw Bioware i'm playing since 10 weeks ago, don't you even know when you launched your stupid game".
    As it is right now, you can't win with the reddit crowd, everything not outright hating the game is downvoted there and conspiracy theories are galore.
    I have some problem with Anthem myself but that level of hate and trolling there is ridiculous. It would be wise from Bioware just to ignore them, i just read them for the luls.
    There surely are other forums availible.

  2. #7562
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    I don't even know what your point is or what you're trying to defend, tbh.
    So you've replied multiple times with no idea what you are replying to?

    My point is it is dumb and irrational to attack bioware over using the term "early access launch" when that is what they have always referred to that period as. They didn't suddenly change it in order to spin the state of the game to something more acceptable. The state of the game is irrelevant to them using those wording they always have used.

    Go look up the promotional material. At no point have they claimed their game is an early access game. That is what is irrational and dumb to attack them over. There are plenty of valid things to be upset about that people don't have to be stupid about it.
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  3. #7563
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it's about time for EA to take a heavy hand in managing BW. Between ME:A and now this, it seems pretty obvious the "BioWare Magic" is gone and they need some help running their studio..
    I agree EA need to get people in there to manage the studio a lot better. After of all the moaning of people over years wanting Publishers/Corporations not to hinder game Developing, EA did that with Anthem and it has shown some studios need someone looking over their shoulders at all times. I dont think "Bioware magic" is gone, its the people that never truly experience that "magic" happening to use that phrase.

    True Bioware magic was Lucasarts telling Bioware their first version of KOTOR sucked and the studio redid it to the cult classic that it is today.

  4. #7564
    People clamoring for EA to save the game, deary me. Give it the Fifa/Madden sport title treatment or maybe the Star wars battlefield treatment, that'll fix it. Card packs for skills, cant wait.

    Like Destiny 2 some games are born out of greed and inept leadership and are just a write off. Dont lose anymore resources over it (time). Shes a sunk cost.
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  5. #7565
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    This game was marketed as a complete product and once again a game is released as an incomplete, broken mess that will take months or possibly a year to fix. Now with the roadmap indefinitely cancelled(most likely because of a downed FIOS line amirite?), they're going to have a VERY VERY angry fanbase on their hands because right now there is not enough content to sustain the game for a month let alone several while the game is fixed and put back together.

    Why is this acceptable? Why does this happen over and over again? Because only the vocal minority pipes up and says things. They are the ones that vote with their wallets and have stopped buying into this hot garbage. The majority of people don't care. The sales numbers for this game were probably good enough I am assuming because it has Bioware's name slapped on to it. Even with all the red flags associated with this game before it came out.





    Fucking amazing Bioware. Well done. Feels good not buying this trash game. Have fun with Visceral and Bullfrog on the chopping block. Don't save this game. Let it die. Have the fucking decency to give everyone who bought it a refund.
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  6. #7566
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post



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    Fucking hell....

    Early Access (FULL GAME)


    As in, 10 weeks since the game was released for the those who pre-ordered the fucking thing or whatever, allowing you to play 1 week early.
    Pay-2-Win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Fucking hell....





    As in, 10 weeks since the game was released for the those who pre-ordered the fucking thing or whatever, allowing you to play 1 week early.
    That sentence makes absolutely no sense. 10 weeks since release but you get to play one week early. Another huge issue with this game is that dumbass chart.

  8. #7568
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    You have to be pretty much an idiot to read from "It's been 10 weeks since our early access launch" that they actually say the game is still in early access.
    I'm pretty excited for 2025 when the game leaves "early access" and is released to the general public.

  9. #7569
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    I'm pretty excited for 2025 when the game leaves "early access" and is released to the general public.
    It would be like George Lucas getting in front of audiences watching Star wars : A New Hope for the first time in Cinemas and hes like "Wait! this isnt the final version, wait until I awkwardly edit in more aliens at the canteen!!! This is just a early showing cause I love you so much <3"

    pre-order empire strikes back here*
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  10. #7570
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    There is realy one good thing they could do in this case.

    Return the money to people who purchased this game, as if they call it early -- well its false advertising.

    Here is a Eu law if anyone wants to read:
    https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-to...g-directive_en

    Here is one part for example:
    Article 6

    Misleading actions

    1. A commercial practice shall be regarded as misleading if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful or in any way, including overall presentation, deceives or is likely to deceive the average consumer, even if the information is factually correct, in relation to one or more of the following elements, and in either case causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision that he would not have taken otherwise:

    (a)


    the existence or nature of the product;

    (b)


    the main characteristics of the product, such as its availability, benefits, risks, execution, composition, accessories, after-sale customer assistance and complaint handling, method and date of manufacture or provision, delivery, fitness for purpose, usage, quantity, specification, geographical or commercial origin or the results to be expected from its use, or the results and material features of tests or checks carried out on the product;

    (c)


    the extent of the trader's commitments, the motives for the commercial practice and the nature of the sales process, any statement or symbol in relation to direct or indirect sponsorship or approval of the trader or the product;

    (d)


    the price or the manner in which the price is calculated, or the existence of a specific price advantage;

    (e)


    the need for a service, part, replacement or repair;

    (f)


    the nature, attributes and rights of the trader or his agent, such as his identity and assets, his qualifications, status, approval, affiliation or connection and ownership of industrial, commercial or intellectual property rights or his awards and distinctions;

    (g)


    the consumer's rights, including the right to replacement or reimbursement under Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees (8), or the risks he may face.

    2. A commercial practice shall also be regarded as misleading if, in its factual context, taking account of all its features and circumstances, it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision that he would not have taken otherwise, and it involves:

    (a)


    any marketing of a product, including comparative advertising, which creates confusion with any products, trade marks, trade names or other distinguishing marks of a competitor;

    (b)


    non-compliance by the trader with commitments contained in codes of conduct by which the trader has undertaken to be bound, where:

    (i)


    the commitment is not aspirational but is firm and is capable of being verified,

    and

    (ii)


    the trader indicates in a commercial practice that he is bound by the code.

  11. #7571
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    Fucking amazing Bioware. Well done. Feels good not buying this trash game. Have fun with Visceral and Bullfrog on the chopping block. Don't save this game. Let it die. Have the fucking decency to give everyone who bought it a refund.
    Well i actually still have fun playing the game. Thats what i meant, you don't own the game, you don't play it but still somehow hate it so much that you want it to close down. Why?

    Although in the end, i really wouldn't mind Bioware dying, ME:A and DA:I were trash, i doubt the next DA will be any good. I would be sad for anthem, though.

  12. #7572
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Weird is putting it lightly. Learning biowares current plans for the game, what is postponed and then reading that statement, it makes me question biowares current mental state.
    What makes me question them is the way they acted on the stream in general, specifically Jesse Anderson. Watching how he handled that stream was a complete 180 from the previous streams. I was really impressed by the past ones where they didn't at all shy away from the tough topics and engaging with people. This time was pretty much a master class in how not to interact with the community.

    When you have a live stream people are automatically expecting someone to be paying attention to chat, and this guy is making it painfully obvious that they're completely ignoring chat and then ridiculing them when we had 0 idea what to expect out of the stream and who would be on it. Whole thing seems like a PR nightmare.
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  13. #7573
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So you've replied multiple times with no idea what you are replying to?

    My point is it is dumb and irrational to attack bioware over using the term "early access launch" when that is what they have always referred to that period as. They didn't suddenly change it in order to spin the state of the game to something more acceptable. The state of the game is irrelevant to them using those wording they always have used.

    Go look up the promotional material. At no point have they claimed their game is an early access game. That is what is irrational and dumb to attack them over. There are plenty of valid things to be upset about that people don't have to be stupid about it.
    Yeah and all I did was explain the comparison. It's not irrational in the slightest.

  14. #7574
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    Yeah and all I did was explain the comparison. It's not irrational in the slightest.
    It is irrational to even make the comparison. You can have access to a game before launch with out it being an early access game. It might have been dumb for Bioware to use Early Access in stead of Early Launch or something else. But it in no way is them comparing their game to the typical Early Access steam type products.
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  15. #7575
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    That sentence makes absolutely no sense. 10 weeks since release but you get to play one week early. Another huge issue with this game is that dumbass chart.
    It's poorly worded, but it's still clear that they're referencing the EA launch one week early rather than saying the game is still in early access.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Return the money to people who purchased this game, as if they call it early -- well its false advertising.
    I'll say the same thing I've said to the dozens of folks talking about legal action -

    File a complaint with the FTC (or the EU equivalent of that agency) if you think this. Reach out to lawfirms and pay the consultation fee to see if they think you have a case.

    Otherwise this is more bullshit internet legal nonsense, which we see constantly and nothing ever comes of it.

  16. #7576
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    That sentence makes absolutely no sense. 10 weeks since release but you get to play one week early. Another huge issue with this game is that dumbass chart.
    It does make sense, at least I manage to understand it.

    Now, would I word it like that considering the amount of fun people been poking at the game for feeling like a steam early access game? Nha...
    Pay-2-Win?

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  17. #7577
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    It is irrational to even make the comparison. You can have access to a game before launch with out it being an early access game. It might have been dumb for Bioware to use Early Access in stead of Early Launch or something else. But it in no way is them comparing their game to the typical Early Access steam type products.
    Who cares what they called the initial launch/pre-launch/early access launch?

    Name one thing that separates the actual game from Early Access games on Steam. What defining trait sets it apart?

  18. #7578
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    Who cares what they called the initial launch/pre-launch/early access launch? Name one thing that separates the actual game from Early Access games on Steam. What defining trait sets it apart?
    Because that is what people are taking offense to? Them using early access launch now because how the game is close to an early access game. Seriously. Did you even read the posts and understand the context before replying?

    I haven't made one comment about the game being worthy of being called an early access game or not. This is about people irrationally saying Bioware "spun" their game into an early access game by saying early access launch.
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  19. #7579
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    Name one thing that separates the actual game from Early Access games on Steam. What defining trait sets it apart?
    They called it an official launch. Early Access is largely just a name nowadays, with the Steam version of it having long since lost any and all value as developers took advantage of many of the "protections" that EA afforded them so that they could soft-launch titles to reduce their risk.

    I'm not even sure why it matters. Plenty of launched games have been garbage, and it's been that case for years. Especially for online games/MMO's as many of us know all too well. It's an odd thing to get hung up on IMO.

  20. #7580
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Because that is what people are taking offense to? Them using early access launch now because how the game is close to an early access game. Seriously. Did you even read the posts and understand the context before replying?

    I haven't made one comment about the game being worthy of being called an early access game or not. This is about people irrationally saying Bioware "spun" their game into an early access game by saying early access launch.
    Again, it's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure after the first hour that people were confused over the sentence and how it was worded, it no longer mattered.

    The game is being compared to early access games and is being insultingly called as such now.

    The comment you originally picked up on was criticizing the usage of the phrase "early access" as a descriptor. Which is what you argued against and said there was nothing wrong with it.

    Myself and americandavey pointed out that they should've used a different term altogether, to avoid the comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They called it an official launch. Early Access is largely just a name nowadays, with the Steam version of it having long since lost any and all value as developers took advantage of many of the "protections" that EA afforded them so that they could soft-launch titles to reduce their risk.

    I'm not even sure why it matters. Plenty of launched games have been garbage, and it's been that case for years. Especially for online games/MMO's as many of us know all too well. It's an odd thing to get hung up on IMO.
    To be exact, it was called a "head start" originally, which is a lot more clear cut and would've saved them this whole thing blowing up in their faces.

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