1. #7801
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    If the story is false, why hasn't EA/Bioware sent a cease and desist with a threat of suing them?
    They enjoy rumors that formers devs work for a trademark they bought? derp.

    Why would they sue? It's positive (yet incorrect) PR .. they look away. Think of all the folks who read the article and just think, "Oh wow, Bioware has some of the original developers". It's a complete lie, but why would EA sue, as it only helps their market value?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Doesn't matter if EA own's Bioware, Bioware had full control of the development and management of Anthem.
    ..of which your basing your argument upon the article, also perhaps along with EA's own statements.

    JT, I love your Switch articles.... if you love EA this much, just buy their stock, along with their other games, prepay a sub to Origin for 5 years. See ya, but lets talk about the Switch. It's really more interesting.

    EA sucks. EA Bought BioWare. BioWare sucks.
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  2. #7802
    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    ..Or it's a falsity by the press to back a narrative they desire. Using casual "sources" they can never qualify. Think of this for a moment.
    Or you just full of shit.

    Whatever we think of Kotaku, Jason is a real journalist and his story checks out from the multiple sources. And we have reports of staff reaction to this article.

  3. #7803
    Every EA studio is 100% responsible for their respective products. Bioware is 100% responsible for the state Anthem was released in. EA just gave them money and tools to create it, Bioware AGREED to the terms and failed to deliver. EA's fault was to trust Bioware to do a good job and they paid dearly for that mistake.
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  4. #7804
    Quote Originally Posted by SirReal View Post
    Bolded for clarity. Doesn't the article make the point that being forced to use Frost Bite was one of the biggest reasons for all of the development fuckery? If so, then you're really arguing some semantics by saying EA wasn't involved.
    Jtbrig is wrong on that one though, Frostbite was the BioWare's choice to use. EA make it very tempting because it is a free engine and can significantly boost the budget.

  5. #7805
    Quote Originally Posted by Vineri View Post
    if you love EA this much, just buy their stock, along with their other games
    Really this is your argument now.

    I don't love EA, I have no love for them at all. But there is facts and then there is your opinion. Jason Schreier is one of the few actual real games journalist out their and his story's have more weight then your opinion. But I get it anyone who disagree's with you even when they got the fact's to prove you wrong is just a fanboy or some shit.

    But ya we are done here since this is all your argument is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Jtbrig is wrong on that one though, Frostbite was the BioWare's choice to use. EA make it very tempting because it is a free engine and can significantly boost the budget.
    Developers of Anthem in the story I linked actually prove me right and you wrong. Frostbite was forced on them by EA and was one of the handful of things EA actually had control over.

    Feel free to post something showing different.
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  6. #7806
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Every EA studio is 100% responsible for their respective products. Bioware is 100% responsible for the state Anthem was released in. EA just gave them money and tools to create it, Bioware AGREED to the terms and failed to deliver. EA's fault was to trust Bioware to do a good job and they paid dearly for that mistake.
    EA is not 100% blameless but people seldom bother to look in to where the publisher goes wrong and just tries to label them as evil dictators. They allow their studios quite a bit of creative freedom but they don't allow for the flexibility in scheduling that allows the creativity to pay off, hence the more ambitious EA titles tend to be buggy and have some underbaked or un-fun features (SimCity 2013 is another good example of this.) Basically they want their studios to be Blizzard on Activision's timetable.

    Specifically to Anthem they also made problems by shifting team members and Frostbite support to the more profitable FIFA title, though this was mitigated somewhat by them transferring staff to Anthem closer to the release date.

    Finally there's the incident where an EA exec told them what they had produced was crap, prompting BioWare to make flying a definite feature (something they had flip-flopped on) although that's less "evil dictator" and more valid criticism that made the game what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Developers of Anthem in the story I linked actually prove me right and you wrong. Frostbite was forced on them by EA and was one of the handful of things EA actually had control over.

    Feel free to post something showing different.
    https://gamingbolt.com/biowares-fros...t-forced-by-ea

    Not sure about how good an outlet that is (one of the first Google results) but it links to a podcast with Kotaku's Jason Schrier and former BioWare chief Aaryn Flynn;

    "No, not at all. It was our decision. We had been wrapping up Mass Effect 3 and we just shipped Dragon Age II and we knew that our Eclipse engine, that we shipped DAII on, wasn’t going to cut it for the future iterations of Dragon Age.

    It couldn’t do open world, the renderer wasn’t strong enough, those were the two big ones. We thought about multiplayer as well, as Eclipse was single-player only.

    We talked internally about three options. We could have burned down Eclipse and started something new internally, we could have gone with Unreal Engine, or we could have picked Frostbite which had shown some really promising results on the rendering side of things and it was multiplayer enabled.

    When it came down to it, we talked to folks and they really liked the Frostbite option and again, back to this idea of being part of a community, there were more and more teams [at EA] that were considering Frostbite. It was a decision that I made after all of the technical deep dives in probably late 2011."

  7. #7807
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Not sure about how good an outlet that is (one of the first Google results) but it links to a podcast with Kotaku's Jason Schrier and former BioWare chief Aaryn Flynn;
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    That's about Mass Effect Andromeda from over a year ago.
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  8. #7808
    From the article you linked I couldn't find anyone saying Frostbite was forced on the studio, what I got was this;

    "the Frostbite engine became ubiquitous across Electronic Arts this past decade thanks to an initiative led by former executive Patrick Söderlund to get all of its studios on the same technology. (By using Frostbite rather than a third-party engine like Unreal, those studios could share knowledge and save a whole lot of money in licensing fees.)"

    That seems more like they were persuasive due to the financial benefits of using Frostbite, but that's not the same as the execs handing down an order that the studios have to use the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    That's about Mass Effect Andromeda from over a year ago.


    Not about Anthem.
    It's from after the time the decision was made to use Frostbite for Anthem, coming from the guy who made the decision to use Frostbite for Anthem.

  9. #7809
    It sounds like the devs hated Frostbite but someone in the higher levels of Bioware decided to use it because it's cheaper.

    Aside from that i'm still amazed from the ongoing media blackout around bioware. The official anthem twitter hasn't posted anything for like 2 weeks, the only way i heard that they hotfixed the missing loot bug is from some private twitter of some guy from bioware that was linked on reddit.
    I wonder how long they will continue to put their heads in the sand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    It sounds like the devs hated Frostbite but someone in the higher levels of Bioware decided to use it because it's cheaper.

    Aside from that i'm still amazed from the ongoing media blackout around bioware. The official anthem twitter hasn't posted anything for like 2 weeks, the only way i heard that they hotfixed the missing loot bug is from some private twitter of some guy from bioware that was linked on reddit.
    I wonder how long they will continue to put their heads in the sand...
    Till the end. Anthem will be quietly, more and more abandoned over the next months.
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  11. #7811
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Till the end. Anthem will be quietly, more and more abandoned over the next months.
    Given the investment, i don't see EA/Bioware just dropping it. I expect some kind of re-launch to try to monetize at least the current stuff with some cheap improvised event randomizer or so. I can see the F2P model to be a route too.

    Anyway, the game is in a bad situation and i don't see a successful future for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    Given the investment, i don't see EA/Bioware just dropping it. I expect some kind of re-launch to try to monetize at least the current stuff with some cheap improvised event randomizer or so. I can see the F2P model to be a route too.

    Anyway, the game is in a bad situation and i don't see a successful future for it.
    I'm not talking about just dropping it. I'm thinking about slow but steady reduction of resources pumped into it and allowing Anthem to fade into obscurity. I mean, it makes sense from cold, business view. Better focus on upcoming titles, than trying to resurrect a game marked as a fail and meme.
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  13. #7813
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    Given the investment, i don't see EA/Bioware just dropping it. I expect some kind of re-launch to try to monetize at least the current stuff with some cheap improvised event randomizer or so. I can see the F2P model to be a route too.

    Anyway, the game is in a bad situation and i don't see a successful future for it.
    Since when EA is relaunching games. This game is a failed concept and execution and it will get its token support EA is committed to and that's it. EA is pretty ruthless when it comes to failed games, they are given the support period and join the Origin Premier graveyard as some half-dead zombies.

    EA has more than enough promising games in pipeline or its core IPs to release new games for to not waste time and effort on something that has outright failed.

    They will just dissect it and use parts for whatever they will do next. It will basically go the same way as Andromeda, especially considering Andromeda is three times the game Anthem is and with a strong IP and still got killed off.

  14. #7814
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I'm not talking about just dropping it. I'm thinking about slow but steady reduction of resources pumped into it and allowing Anthem to fade into obscurity. I mean, it makes sense from cold, business view. Better focus on upcoming titles, than trying to resurrect a game marked as a fail and meme.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Since when EA is relaunching games. This game is a failed concept and execution and it will get its token support EA is committed to and that's it. EA is pretty ruthless when it comes to failed games, they are given the support period and join the Origin Premier graveyard as some half-dead zombies.

    EA has more than enough promising games in pipeline or its core IPs to release new games for to not waste time and effort on something that has outright failed.

    They will just dissect it and use parts for whatever they will do next. It will basically go the same way as Andromeda, especially considering Andromeda is three times the game Anthem is and with a strong IP and still got killed off.
    Makes sense. Though since it's a new IP it may be worth exploring a different delivery to make it worth living due to not much established content and/or playerbase.

    Though for the same reason it's extremely easy to kill it off.
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  15. #7815
    Given how huge the world map is they could turn it into a BR (with stronger limitations to flying)
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  16. #7816
    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Given how huge the world map is they could turn it into a BR (with stronger limitations to flying)
    Oh please lord no, there's enough BR nonsense.

    Also, given that there's no PvP in the game, that would likely be a huge undertaking to integrate it into the exclusively PvP setting.

  17. #7817
    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Given how huge the world map is they could turn it into a BR (with stronger limitations to flying)
    roflmao, yes, please yes x,D

  18. #7818
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Oh please lord no, there's enough BR nonsense.

    Also, given that there's no PvP in the game, that would likely be a huge undertaking to integrate it into the exclusively PvP setting.
    Well, it's a dead game anyway, so whatever really.

    After all that's exactly what happened to Fortnite, weak PvE game that was seemingly dying and then they went on and plopped BR there.

  19. #7819
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    After all that's exactly what happened to Fortnite, weak PvE game that was seemingly dying and then they went on and plopped BR there.
    I don't think it was... as far as I remember, they didn't even finish the game... oh wait a minute.... ohhhh... touché.

  20. #7820
    I'm still salty over them killing Save the World... that's the game I wanted to play, not fucking BR.

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