Anthem: Bioware's next Mass Effect-like IP

[Karrotlord]

It is on topic. Its just how Ea is as company.

Just wait for another anthem money making scheme update. Its gona happen for sure.

You mean more bullshit pulled from people's asses?

[yasiru]

You mean more bullshit pulled from people's asses?

After reading his posts, I'd say that's exactly what he means...

[Baconeggcheese]

Preordering seems kind of pointless for origin specifically because you can get origin premier for 15$ and then not only start playing a week before everyone else but get to play the full game for that month before committing a full 60$. You also get 10% off should you decide to buy the game which helps you recoup some of that sub cost.

One thing I have no idea of though, with premier you get the deluxe edition skins, but if you start off with premier then get the base game and unsub do you still keep those skins? Cause that'd be a good way to save like 11$ on the deluxe edition.

[RohanV]

You know, $20 can be seen as more fair than $5. If things sell for $5, there's going to be a whole bunch of them and they'll fall into "impulse buy" territory. People with poor control will end up buying a whole bunch of them, and then everyone will cry "exploitation".

$20 is large enough that you have to stop and think about it. Encouraging people to support a game with a larger, more deliberate purchase every few months is better than making everything cheap and relying on people without control to gorge themselves and rack up large bills.

[Baconeggcheese]

You know, $20 can be seen as more fair than $5. If things sell for $5, there's going to be a whole bunch of them and they'll fall into "impulse buy" territory. People with poor control will end up buying a whole bunch of them, and then everyone will cry "exploitation".

$20 is large enough that you have to stop and think about it. Encouraging people to support a game with a larger, more deliberate purchase every few months is better than making everything cheap and relying on people without control to gorge themselves and rack up large bills.

Really depends on 1: how much is in the shop vs outside the shop and 2: how quickly you can earn coin to unlock things inside the shop.

Hard to say what price is more reasonable without that info.

[Thelyron]

Preordering seems kind of pointless for origin specifically because you can get origin premier for 15$ and then not only start playing a week before everyone else but get to play the full game for that month before committing a full 60$. You also get 10% off should you decide to buy the game which helps you recoup some of that sub cost.

One thing I have no idea of though, with premier you get the deluxe edition skins, but if you start off with premier then get the base game and unsub do you still keep those skins? Cause that'd be a good way to save like 11$ on the deluxe edition.

You get the legion of dawn armor with premier? Really?

[Baconeggcheese]

You get the legion of dawn armor with premier? Really?

You get everything with premier: https://www.ea.com/games/anthem/buy#pre-order-anthem-pc

Dunno how that plays out though for if you drop the sub.

[Charge me Doctor]

Outside of physical copies and Collector's Edition style sales, pre-ordering a game is downright pointless. You're giving the company you're pre-ordering from several things:

1. First and foremost, you're giving this company an interest free loan. Last time I checked, no bank is willing to give me a 0% APR loan because I asked nicely or offered a reskin of some shite gun.

2. You're giving them them the power to deliver a product that isn't fully fleshed out. This is the most pervasive problem in the gaming industry right now. They have your money.

3. You're teaching them that is acceptable. Basic psychology. Company commits an act, is rewarded for it, and will continue to repeat process to keep receiving rewards.

Like I said, pre-orders should ONLY apply to physical copies of the games to insure there's a copy reserved for you, and said pre-order should not be the full price of the game when we know only half of it will be available at launch. Pre-ordering (or reserving) a copy of a game for $10, $20, or even $30 should be the norm. There's nothing exclusive about pre-ordering a game these days, unless you buy the CEs or something.

If one can't see the malice in asking for the full price of a base game as a digital download ahead of its release, then I'm afraid there's probably no amount of explaining I can do to simplify it.

I agree with all of that, but what dev, publisher and e-shop did with anthem shows that pre-order does in fact more beneficial than buying the game after actual release (you know, those who pre-ordered Metro on steam are going to play it on steam in next two weeks, instead of a year. Unless i read something wrong and am mistaken). IMO this kind of bullshit stands right next to artificial shortage of goods and shouldn't be allowed.

With this move they basically say, that we better pre-order they game before its released, or you'll have to wait a year to buy it outside of store that paid more for exclusivity

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You're first point in my mind is quite a weird statement. It's true that it can be considered a loan untill said game actually releases but this scenario could also be applied you things such as rent. Would you advocate for people to never pay their rent untill the very last day? I'm guessing not.

That's not the same by any stretch of imagination

[Aoewy]

I agree with all of that, but what dev, publisher and e-shop did with anthem shows that pre-order does in fact more beneficial than buying the game after actual release (you know, those who pre-ordered anthem on steam are going to play it on steam in next two weeks, instead of a year. Unless i read something wrong and am mistaken). IMO this kind of bullshit stands right next to artificial shortage of goods and shouldn't be allowed.

With this move they basically say, that we better pre-order they game before its released, or you'll have to wait a year to buy it outside of store that paid more for exclusivity

What are you talking about? Anthem is on Origin, not Steam, and there is no "shortage" or "have to wait a year to play"... you just buy it from Origin, thats it, just like any other game.

Are you confusing with the new Metro game which is now exclusive on Epic launcher for a year I think?

[Dhrizzle]

What are you talking about? Anthem is on Origin, not Steam, and there is no "shortage" or "have to wait a year to play"... you just buy it from Origin, thats it, just like any other game.

Are you confusing with the new Metro game which is now exclusive on Epic launcher for a year I think?

Yeah, Epic are taking less of a cut than Steam and some people are really mad that Gabe won't be getting his 30%

[Charge me Doctor]

What are you talking about? Anthem is on Origin, not Steam, and there is no "shortage" or "have to wait a year to play"... you just buy it from Origin, thats it, just like any other game.

Are you confusing with the new Metro game which is now exclusive on Epic launcher for a year I think?

Yeah, sorry i got my bookmarks mixed up

[gobio]

Wait and see.

any game that has loot box, it is a gambling client, game is secondary. Like even if you go to MGM Grand for a show only you are still going to "a casino", just that you happened to not gamble in a casino.

If it has MTX only and not random real currency based loot boxes, then I will have to wait at least 3 months to see what content is available throughout the whole game without paying anything (not even the in game grind currency that is worse than real life work)

[Aoewy]

Wait and see.

any game that has loot box, it is a gambling client, game is secondary. Like even if you go to MGM Grand for a show only you are still going to "a casino", just that you happened to not gamble in a casino.

If it has MTX only and not random real currency based loot boxes, then I will have to wait at least 3 months to see what content is available throughout the whole game without paying anything (not even the in game grind currency that is worse than real life work)

Good thing Anthem doesnt have lootbox and that there are no content MTX, only cosmetics.

[Super Kami Dende]

You know, $20 can be seen as more fair than $5. If things sell for $5, there's going to be a whole bunch of them and they'll fall into "impulse buy" territory. People with poor control will end up buying a whole bunch of them, and then everyone will cry "exploitation".

$20 is large enough that you have to stop and think about it. Encouraging people to support a game with a larger, more deliberate purchase every few months is better than making everything cheap and relying on people without control to gorge themselves and rack up large bills.

People with poor control won't differentiate between $5 and $20.. it's why they have poor control.

[Karrotlord]

After reading his posts, I'd say that's exactly what he means...

My mistake. It was a long day...

[Dhrizzle]

People with poor control won't differentiate between $5 and $20.. it's why they have poor control.

"Poor control" isn't a binary state. It's not like everyone who might splurge $5 without thinking will also splurge $20.
Example - last night I spent £6 in Elite Dangerous buying a set of paints for one of my ships and SRVs. It isn't important to the game, I won't really get much use (as I'm pretty much always viewing things from the cockpit) but it was basically pocket money. If it would have cost £20, or even £10, for the same things there's no way I would have bothered.

There is a threshold somewhere around the $5/£5 mark where a lot more people are willing to impulse-buy tat because it doesn't register as any sort of significant amount.

[kaelleria]

There was a PC patch today for the demo so hopefully a lot of the bugs are taken care of for the Open demo this weekend.

Open demo runs from Friday at 12 EST to Sunday at 11 PM EST. There should be a large scale world event on Sunday.

[kaelleria]

Your counterpoint about rent is moot. You live in that house or apartment, and presumably have been. When you pay your first month's rent, do you wait 8 weeks to move in? No. When you give a company money before receiving its product, you're giving them money before they have to deliver what you paid for. An interest free loan.

Games as of late have been rather... iffy. I don't really feel as though a lot of examples are needed because largely what is a "good" or "bad" game is subjective. I'll use Fallout 76 as MY example. The game was advertised as something very different than what was released. If I had not pre-ordered and given them my money prior to seeing their product, I wouldn't have wasted my time or money.

I'm willing to admit three or four disappointing pre-orders are what have brought me to these opinions. Not everyone may share my experience. But I've learned a valuable lesson: Don't buy a game ahead of its release.

Your points about "convenience" and "gonna buy it anyway" aren't really convincing to me. Clicking "Pay Now" 3 weeks in advance or the day of release isn't any more or less convenient, so I dunno what that's about.

I'm very excited and optimistic about Anthem, but I won't be pre-ordering it. I'll wait patiently to see if its a masterpiece or another EA shit-show.

If the preorder bonuses are worth it, preorder. If not, don't. Simple as that. If you don't perceive them as worth it you'd just be giving them an interest free loan, which is stupid.

[apelsinjuice]

For people like me that planned to sub to EA premier the day before early access to play the game for a month for 15 bucks then decided if you buy it or not, that won't work.

You have to sub to EA Premier by tomorrow if you want to get in on the early access

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGa...ay_to_be_safe/

[Yunru]

For people like me that planned to sub to EA premier the day before early access to play the game for a month for 15 bucks then decided if you buy it or not, that won't work.

You have to sub to EA Premier by tomorrow if you want to get in on the early access

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGa...ay_to_be_safe/

That sub is more of less steal tho. You dont own those games, you just lend them.