1. #6481
    Quote Originally Posted by Lindon View Post
    TD2 also suffers from the same problem Anthem does in terms of gun variety, everything feels the same.
    One thing I feel is a huge missed opportunity for Anthem is that they tried to force guns into the mold when they very clearly shouldn't have forced guns on all 4 Javs. All of them are so incredibly unique and different, IMO they easily could have made them proper classes and given them their own unique weapons like Colossus got.

    Colossus -> Heavy artillery
    Storm -> Magic elemental pew pew
    Ranger -> Gun specialist
    Interceptor -> Melee weapon specialist ninja

    They all already are these things, but then they have this forced overlap via the guns for no apparent reason. This means the guns masterwork affixes have to be designed in way less interesting ways that all 4 Javs can technically benefit from even though all 4 Javs don't necessarily benefit from +% damage when hovering or dashing 3 times increases damage bonuses the same.

    On my interceptor my main gun is only used to proc the 110% melee damage buff, I never actually shoot it for its own damage. My second gun is a crappy legendary (procs a combo when reloading one) that happened to roll with +80% max shields and armor and some other minorly useful stuff so I just use it for some tankiness. I spend all of my time dumping abilities and meleeing, so the games guns are completely irrelevant to me.

    At least until I get a good legendary with ridiculous inscriptions. Games just not about guns.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  2. #6482
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    The lead designer died in 2017...
    Bioware is not a small indy company of 3 working out of garage where one guy never told the other 2 what he was doing.
    A lead designer dying unexpectedly in a AAA studio should have a relatively minor impact, not cause you to tear your game into piece and just start off again from scratch trying to design a basic gameplay loop.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  3. #6483
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yeah lot of friends playing TD2 tell me there's more to do and that overall it was a more enjoyable experience for them.

    Hopefully that holds because I'm thinking of getting it haha.

    Problem with Anthem is that it just lacks variety and content overall. And it should have PvP. Simple. Just because a few people don't want it doesn't mean it has to be excluded. And quite frankly if you don't want to do the PvP then don't.

    Anthem needs a lot of work before it's a AAA quality game worth £60.
    Exactly. I might reup my origin sub in the future but as it stands, anthem is just not enough content to satisfy me. Td2 on the other hand, I was expecting it to be like td1 but noooooo it has far surpassed my expectations. When I hit endgame I was just like woah dude! The missions you do over again aren’t even the same exact missions though they are the same environment. Basically endgame is it’s own new story. Anthem, it’s the same shit. It might have been fine if they made like 10 other stronghold and 1 whole new zone for endgame.

    Anyways, it’s now my 4th day in td2 with 40hours, not counting today because I haven’t played yet today(FWP, at work). I am now equal to anthem with my time played and only have scratched the surface on td2.

  4. #6484
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Bioware is not a small indy company of 3 working out of garage where one guy never told the other 2 what he was doing.
    A lead designer dying unexpectedly in a AAA studio should have a relatively minor impact, not cause you to tear your game into piece and just start off again from scratch trying to design a basic gameplay loop.
    Was one of many things that supposedly happened. All we can say is its clear there is something wrong, as the game is like every other game that had the usual kind of things happen before being rushed out the door.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  5. #6485
    Things have gotten a bit off-topic recently, please keep discussion on Anthem. If you want to discuss TD1/2 or other games please do so in other threads. Thanks.

  6. #6486
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Bioware is not a small indy company of 3 working out of garage where one guy never told the other 2 what he was doing.
    A lead designer dying unexpectedly in a AAA studio should have a relatively minor impact, not cause you to tear your game into piece and just start off again from scratch trying to design a basic gameplay loop.
    That's not entirely accurate. Take a look at something like Fallout76. Even though it's technically Bethesda, all indications are that it was some kind of B-team, or even C-team working on it. It very clearly wasn't Bethesda's best people.

    I strongly suspect something similar happened with Anthem. It's hard to look at the state of the game and NOT know that something happened to cut things short. Either key members got re-assigned, or development paused entirely somewhere along the way. You can see the environmental artists did an AMAZING job. Anthem's open world is a work of art. But the gameplay and game-mechanic guys clearly are either super-noobs, or just incompetent.

    Even with a company as massive as Blizzard, you can see the same effect in Battle for Azeroth, the most recent expansion. The art team knocked it out of the park, but the gameplay and content of WoW's open world right now is GAAAAAARBAGE. It's nearly as flat and boring as Anthem's open world.

    I'll be REALLY interested to see what actually happened, if at some point in the future we get an interview with key Bioware members.

  7. #6487
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Yeah, baffling.

    Kind of like someone sticking around in a thread for months for a game that they have no intention to play just to continue to reiterate how they have no intention of playing it and have never bought it. Baffling.
    right? /10char

  8. #6488
    Whelp the infinite loading bug appears to be back.....

  9. #6489
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWGoneBad View Post
    Whelp the infinite loading bug appears to be back.....
    I've had it happen once or twice since the initial fix, never continues after a restart though.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  10. #6490
    Quote Originally Posted by yasiru View Post
    SNIP....
    I'm starting to come around to your thinking. If people get so worked up over a game that they need to be an asshole to people as a way to vent, then yes let them do it on a website forum so others can just ignore it and go about their day. No need to let people like that near other people in real life....
    Customers getting worked up over feelings scammed I think is the issue.

    Just because it's also a game doesn't mean gamers shouldn't be pissed at bioware for this screwed up release.
    Last edited by quras; 2019-03-17 at 12:59 AM.

  11. #6491
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Customers getting worked up over feelings scammed I think is the issue.

    Just because it's also a game doesn't mean gamers shouldn't be pissed at bioware for this screwed up release.
    I guess the weird thing is, at least from the time I started paying attention to the game... they released exactly what they said they would + a myriad of bugs which are rapidly being fixed.

    That's not a glowing review, but its not a scam either. A lot of people seemed to project what they wanted out of the game on it, and then got upset when it was what the devs said it was going to be in the time running up to launch.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  12. #6492
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Honestly I bought DMC5 and Puyo Puyo Tetris this month. Might get Division 2 next month. By then it'll have settled down and we can see if the initial phase was just the honeymoon phase.

    Believe it or not the £60 I got DMC5 and Puyo Puyo Tetris with was what was going to go into Anthem. Thankfully it didn't.

    I just don't get how a game of a similar genre/design can launch with so much more content than a game in development for 6 years. It just baffles me.
    For me the greater amount of content doesn't cancel the fact that to me the gameplay is boring. It's like playing a complicated RPG version of COD, no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    I guess the weird thing is, at least from the time I started paying attention to the game... they released exactly what they said they would + a myriad of bugs which are rapidly being fixed.

    That's not a glowing review, but its not a scam either. A lot of people seemed to project what they wanted out of the game on it, and then got upset when it was what the devs said it was going to be in the time running up to launch.
    My feelings as well. If people are claiming they were scammed that's more like anger just coming through than being the truth. Again, even if something is frustrating me me though I don't go running to reddit to spout off a bunch of hate and rage. For me I go to the gym and workout on the punching bag or something. Much healthier way to relieve stress than just being an a-hole, not to mention being a more mature way to release stress. Typing up an a-hole post on reddit is just immature.

  13. #6493
    At least they're not asking for a season pass or expansion money to fix things...

  14. #6494
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Customers getting worked up over feelings scammed I think is the issue.

    Just because it's also a game doesn't mean gamers shouldn't be pissed at bioware for this screwed up release.
    Customers are free to be critical. The game is absolutely flat out awful. Easily one the worst of 2019 so far imo. It's a poor mans Destiny/Warframe hybrid that offers a story that has no depth, barely any customisation options except maybe a few loadouts and nothing innovative to the already existing looter shooter genre on top of the issues of the game being a complete bugged mess and the devs lying to players. Hence why I gave the game a 4/10.

    However death threats are not criticism. You can argue it all you want. It's a fact they aren't.

    Gamers are pissed. That's why they are being critical. However once you start throwing vile shit like death threats out you've lost any right to be heard or to have your opinion taken with any credibility.
    Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2019-03-17 at 02:50 AM.

  15. #6495
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    At least they're not asking for a season pass or expansion money to fix things...
    You're right. They're just asking you to be patient for one to two years.

  16. #6496
    Quote Originally Posted by lollerlaban View Post
    You're right. They're just asking you to be patient for one to two years.
    I mean can you imagine them trying to charge for DLC now after this?

    Most other devs can get away with it because most of the time they are worth supporting or push a quality product. For the most part that is.

    Honestly had Anthem been a good game out the door and made Bioware/EA win some brownie/loyalty points back then they could have probably gotten away with an expansion/DLC model. But it wasn't. And now by the time they even fix the mess they've made it'll just be the Destiny 2 situation where the majority have left the game and barely any will come back even if the product improves.
    Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2019-03-17 at 02:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    it'll just be the Destiny 2 situation where the majority have left the game and barely any will come back even if the product improves.
    Destiny 2 40/60€ patch was a farce tho. No shit people aren't coming back...

    Its up to EA if they want to pull that trigger on Anthem.
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  18. #6498
    Quote Originally Posted by lollerlaban View Post
    You're right. They're just asking you to be patient for one to two years.
    So... less time than the division, like a 1/6th to 1/3 of the time of warframe, same time frame as D3 getting their shit together...

    I didn't keep up with how long it took PoE to become a good game but yknow.... probably not terribly far off there either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    I mean can you imagine them trying to charge for DLC now after this?
    You mean like every other game in the genre besides Warframe which took like 5 years to become worth touching?

    I honestly can't believe you still post in this thread, its getting pretty sad.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  19. #6499
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    So... less time than the division, like a 1/6th to 1/3 of the time of warframe, same time frame as D3 getting their shit together...

    I didn't keep up with how long it took PoE to become a good game but yknow.... probably not terribly far off there either.


    You mean like every other game in the genre besides Warframe which took like 5 years to become worth touching?

    I honestly can't believe you still post in this thread, its getting pretty sad.
    It's ok, let them stew in their rage.

  20. #6500
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Thing is Warframe & PoH don't cost 60€ =/
    That's the usual cop out, I'm not sure why people seem to think that matters.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

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