1. #7581
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    To be exact, it was called a "head start" originally, which is a lot more clear cut and would've saved them this whole thing blowing up in their faces.


    Clearly says "Early Access (Full Game) On February 15, 2019".

    Again, I'm not disagreeing that they worded the statement poorly, but that seems pretty par for the course for BW. But it's also a pretty pointless/trivial thing that's being hyperbolically blown out of proportion by a ton of folks over the past few days (not saying you specifically), and at this point I'm legitimately surprised at how much effort and time folks are spending on that one line that was probably one of the least important lines of their update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post


    Clearly says "Early Access (Full Game) On February 15, 2019".

    Again, I'm not disagreeing that they worded the statement poorly, but that seems pretty par for the course for BW. But it's also a pretty pointless/trivial thing that's being hyperbolically blown out of proportion by a ton of folks over the past few days (not saying you specifically), and at this point I'm legitimately surprised at how much effort and time folks are spending on that one line that was probably one of the least important lines of their update.
    It's another thing to add on the other mountain of other things they've done wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
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    Clearly says "Early Access (Full Game) On February 15, 2019".

    Again, I'm not disagreeing that they worded the statement poorly, but that seems pretty par for the course for BW. But it's also a pretty pointless/trivial thing that's being hyperbolically blown out of proportion by a ton of folks over the past few days (not saying you specifically), and at this point I'm legitimately surprised at how much effort and time folks are spending on that one line that was probably one of the least important lines of their update.
    Must be me misremembering it being referred to as a head start. I thought it was touted as "Getting a head start with EA Play First.".

    The badly phrased usage of "early access" has become a focal point, due to seeming displeasure with the stream as a whole, since a lot of people have issues with the loot still and feel it's gone untouched, despite being a primary concern.

    The other moment being meme'd is the hyped up chest opening, which some regular purples came out of and no MWs. Which resulted in no player commentary or discussion, just awkward silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So you are claiming that people wouldn't be outraged if they didn't use the same label as all of their marketing material? If they said Early launch no one would be upset at all. Gotcha.
    Oh by the way you seem to really love defending corporations for some reason. They marketed this as a retail product and only now they are calling this game early access. Why the fuck are you surprised people are mad?

  5. #7585
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    There is realy one good thing they could do in this case.

    Return the money to people who purchased this game, as if they call it early -- well its false advertising.

    Here is a Eu law if anyone wants to read:
    https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-to...g-directive_en

    Here is one part for example:
    Article 6

    Misleading actions

    1. A commercial practice shall be regarded as misleading if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful or in any way, including overall presentation, deceives or is likely to deceive the average consumer, even if the information is factually correct, in relation to one or more of the following elements, and in either case causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision that he would not have taken otherwise:

    (a)


    the existence or nature of the product;

    (b)


    the main characteristics of the product, such as its availability, benefits, risks, execution, composition, accessories, after-sale customer assistance and complaint handling, method and date of manufacture or provision, delivery, fitness for purpose, usage, quantity, specification, geographical or commercial origin or the results to be expected from its use, or the results and material features of tests or checks carried out on the product;

    (c)


    the extent of the trader's commitments, the motives for the commercial practice and the nature of the sales process, any statement or symbol in relation to direct or indirect sponsorship or approval of the trader or the product;

    (d)


    the price or the manner in which the price is calculated, or the existence of a specific price advantage;

    (e)


    the need for a service, part, replacement or repair;

    (f)


    the nature, attributes and rights of the trader or his agent, such as his identity and assets, his qualifications, status, approval, affiliation or connection and ownership of industrial, commercial or intellectual property rights or his awards and distinctions;

    (g)


    the consumer's rights, including the right to replacement or reimbursement under Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees (8), or the risks he may face.

    2. A commercial practice shall also be regarded as misleading if, in its factual context, taking account of all its features and circumstances, it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision that he would not have taken otherwise, and it involves:

    (a)


    any marketing of a product, including comparative advertising, which creates confusion with any products, trade marks, trade names or other distinguishing marks of a competitor;

    (b)


    non-compliance by the trader with commitments contained in codes of conduct by which the trader has undertaken to be bound, where:

    (i)


    the commitment is not aspirational but is firm and is capable of being verified,

    and

    (ii)


    the trader indicates in a commercial practice that he is bound by the code.
    Which specific parts do you think they have broken? Essentially they advertised a 3rd person shooter with story/campaign, loot acquisition, multiplayer aspects and repeatable "endgame" content, and that's what we've got.

  6. #7586
    There is currently a rumor from a few usually reliable streamers that EA slashed the bonuses for its lower level staff by 50% and middle management by 25% following the performance of Battlefield 5 and Anthem. If its true, that can't be good for morale.
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  7. #7587
    Quote Originally Posted by Faldric View Post
    There is currently a rumor from a few usually reliable streamers that EA slashed the bonuses for its lower level staff by 50% and middle management by 25% following the performance of Battlefield 5 and Anthem. If its true, that can't be good for morale.
    "Beatings will continue, until morale improves."

  8. #7588
    Quote Originally Posted by Faldric View Post
    There is currently a rumor from a few usually reliable streamers that EA slashed the bonuses for its lower level staff by 50% and middle management by 25% following the performance of Battlefield 5 and Anthem. If its true, that can't be good for morale.
    Why would you get payed bonuses when you deliver bad products?
    That defeats the entire point of a bonus.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  9. #7589
    Quote Originally Posted by Faldric View Post
    There is currently a rumor from a few usually reliable streamers that EA slashed the bonuses for its lower level staff by 50% and middle management by 25% following the performance of Battlefield 5 and Anthem. If its true, that can't be good for morale.
    If that's true then what a fucking joke.

    I know I use this example a lot but again Nintendo. Wii U failed and instead of firing staff the then CEO Satoru Iwata took a huge paycut citing the failure was on him and that firing/lowering others salaries would not help morale.

    It just goes to show that there are good people left in the industry out there.

    However I will say and @Gorsameth makes a good point that if they are underperforming after being given so much free reign by EA (which is very rare to see) then of course they will make cuts to bonuses.

  10. #7590
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    If that's true then what a fucking joke.

    I know I use this example a lot but again Nintendo. Wii U failed and instead of firing staff the then CEO Satoru Iwata took a huge paycut citing the failure was on him and that firing/lowering others salaries would not help morale.

    It just goes to show that there are good people left in the industry out there.
    Except the head of EA wasn't involved in developing Battlefield or Anthem.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  11. #7591
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    What makes me question them is the way they acted on the stream in general, specifically Jesse Anderson.
    SNIP....
    Whole thing seems like a PR nightmare.
    I'm kinda amazed at the whole turn of events, the stream and their reddit post.. It's a complete shit show over there as if there is still no management or direction. No clear decision making or at least no one wanting to take lead and be a part of the "fixing" when it comes to bioware the gamers and the garbage they puled off with anthem.

    There is something wrong in that company right now and it's showing in damn near everything they have had their hands on for the past while and it seems to be getting worse. I have been able to see it in swtor, MA and clearly anthem. Something in that company's fridge went sour.
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  12. #7592
    Haven't been keeping too close an eye on Anthem, just what Bellular has been talking about it. Just from that alone I am so glad I never invested any amount of time or money in it.

  13. #7593
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    Oh by the way you seem to really love defending corporations for some reason. They marketed this as a retail product and only now they are calling this game early access. Why the fuck are you surprised people are mad?
    They have never once called their game an early access product. That is what I am saying and what I am defending. Should I not be surprised when people get mad about something that isn't even real? That they invent arguments just to attack something when there are so many other real and valid things to complain about?

    Early Access launch is not calling your game an early access game. Two completely different concepts. The game is flawed. But there is no reason to create lies in order to fuel the dislike. There is no reason why we can't all be rational in discussing the flaws of the game. Corporations, or anyone, only deserve what is fair. You and others keep creating false narratives to attack them for no other reason then you can. Then try to insult and defend it when called out on it.
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  14. #7594
    Quote Originally Posted by Lythelia View Post
    Haven't been keeping too close an eye on Anthem, just what Bellular has been talking about it. Just from that alone I am so glad I never invested any amount of time or money in it.
    you should watch the official Anthem livestream, Low Morale developers are talking about no talking about Loot!



    IMO Bioware should just focus on Dragon Age 4.
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  15. #7595
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    I'm kinda amazed at the whole turn of events, the stream and their reddit post.. It's a complete shit show over there as if there is still no management or direction. No clear decision making or at least no one wanting to take lead and be a part of the "fixing" when it comes to bioware the gamers and the garbage they puled off with anthem.

    There is something wrong in that company right now and it's showing in damn near everything they have had their hands on for the past while and it seems to be getting worse. I have been able to see it in swtor, MA and clearly anthem. Something in that company's fridge went sour.
    As far as we've seen its just that they lack leadership, and lord knows that's one of the hardest things to get since the people in those prominent positions aren't going to see themselves as the issue and step aside / down or likely even change meaningfully until its too late.

    This right here has given me a tiny bit of hope back: https://twitter.com/Darokaz/status/1121515693592150016

    I appreciate that he's being candid, I also had the tinfoil hat that maybe they're working on stuff a bit more intently right now as that's usually when these devs go silent and that was even the case with Anthem with prior patches where they were communicating literally all day every day then would go silent for 1-2 days and the community would lose their shit and then we'd find out it was right before they were about to deploy something and so they didn't want to talk at all until they had the answer.

    I guess we've just reached that point where the main issues aren't going to have a timely fix and they likely don't have that answer hence the silence. Still, I really appreciate that tweet where he is very human and owns it.
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  16. #7596
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    As far as we've seen its just that they lack leadership, and lord knows that's one of the hardest things to get since the people in those prominent positions aren't going to see themselves as the issue and step aside / down or likely even change meaningfully until its too late.

    This right here has given me a tiny bit of hope back: https://twitter.com/Darokaz/status/1121515693592150016

    I appreciate that he's being candid, I also had the tinfoil hat that maybe they're working on stuff a bit more intently right now as that's usually when these devs go silent and that was even the case with Anthem with prior patches where they were communicating literally all day every day then would go silent for 1-2 days and the community would lose their shit and then we'd find out it was right before they were about to deploy something and so they didn't want to talk at all until they had the answer.

    I guess we've just reached that point where the main issues aren't going to have a timely fix and they likely don't have that answer hence the silence. Still, I really appreciate that tweet where he is very human and owns it.
    It makes for amusing coffee talk though.

    I guess as the saying goes, there is no such thing as bad press....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Why would you get payed bonuses when you deliver bad products?
    That defeats the entire point of a bonus.
    Why would lower level staff get hit by that, instead of the top guys?
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  18. #7598
    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Why would lower level staff get hit by that, instead of the top guys?
    Because the top EA guys are not personally involved in a games development?
    EA's CEO is not responsible for Bioware making a shit game.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Because the top EA guys are not personally involved in a games development?
    EA's CEO is not responsible for Bioware making a shit game.
    I'd be interested in bioware exec bonuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Because the top EA guys are not personally involved in a games development?
    EA's CEO is not responsible for Bioware making a shit game.
    Since bioware isn't a standalone developer - EA's CEO (it's hilarious how you jumped right to the EA CEOs bypassing bioware CEO, but it doesn't matter for argument sake) are definitely responsible for Bioware making a shit game, because they are, you know, in charge of things. You do remember, that because of Söderlund bioware had to use Frostbite engine, and the game became what it is, because Bioware tried to appeal to Söderlund, because they were afraid that the game will be scrapped if he won't like it.

    Yeah, just cut Söderlunds salary in half and call it a day (except, he left the sinking ship iirc), "lower level staff" shouldn't get cuts, like, ever in game development
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