Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

he was just right, all you need to do is look at class designs and Prunings.
boring classes = boring game

if they unprune next expansion to AT LEAST cataclysm level = great game again, simple as that

Cataclysm and MoP level were the most unpruned possible. If they deprune it will be back to WoD level at best.

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its been an absolute truth pretty much since MOP

I liked MoP from the start. I see a lot of potential in this, I just feel like they didnt show us enough this year. 2015 and 2016 Blizzcons were both very good and both didnt have an expansion reveal.

[Dmitro]

I only will be saying that if Azshara isn't offed in that first tier raid.

how is a tier or raid means good expansion?

IMO good expansion is

balaned classes
complex classes
interesting professions
and since legion interesting dungeons for M+ system
fun grinding aka classic wow one (not korean style like we have now)

believe me, if you have these 5 forget about the raids and plots, expansions will be wonderful

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Cataclysm and MoP level were the most unpruned possible. If they deprune it will be back to WoD level at best.

youre terribly wrong, probably becasue you havent played WOTLK, which was the peak of class designs skill wise. The first pruning in this game happened with Cataclysm

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I liked MoP from the start. I see a lot of potential in this, I just feel like they didnt show us enough this year. 2015 and 2016 Blizzcons were both very good and both didnt have an expansion reveal.

MOP was too much of an arcade class design wise and very not serious lore wise, so meh, tho was fun PVPing that expansion

[rcshaggy]

So any other zones to level in or just Zandalar and the zones it has?
Battle for Azeroth will feel like a small expansion.

[George Costanza]

So any other zones to level in or just Zandalar and the zones it has?
Battle for Azeroth will feel like a small expansion.

There is the campaign, which unlocks the other stuff, aside they will balance the leveling numbers, like they did with legion.

[Nyel]

how is a tier or raid means good expansion?

IMO good expansion is

balaned classes
complex classes
interesting professions
and since legion interesting dungeons for M+ system
fun grinding aka classic wow one (not korean style like we have now)

believe me, if you have these 5 forget about the raids and plots, expansions will be wonderful

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youre terribly wrong, probably becasue you havent played WOTLK, which was the peak of class designs skill wise. The first pruning in this game happened with Cataclysm

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MOP was too much of an arcade class design wise and very not serious lore wise, so meh, tho was fun PVPing that expansion

WotLK the peak of class design? lol

MoP had great class design, Cataclysm as well. Both expansions were very good when it comes to that (maybe not balance though), WoD and Legion had awful class design. If they could go back to Cata/MoP levels I'm fine with it. If they keep the Legion specs it will be a very, very boring expansion.

[Bas Prime]

Well, I was wrong, again. I only predicted Kul Tiras right, and that was a sorry point because of the data mining. My hype died at the announcement. I still hope this will be a good expansion. It sounds good and weird at the same time. lets see. It was fun following the thread the past days.

[Nyel]

So any other zones to level in or just Zandalar and the zones it has?
Battle for Azeroth will feel like a small expansion.

Alliance:
110-119: Kul Tiras
120: Kul Tiras + Zandalar

Horde:
110-119: Zandalar
120: Zandalar + Kul Tiras

[Dmitro]

WotLK the peak of class design? lol

MoP had great class design, Cataclysm as well. Both expansions were very good when it comes to that (maybe not balance though), WoD and Legion had awful class design. If they could go back to Cata/MoP levels I'm fine with it. If they keep the Legion specs it will be a very, very boring expansion.

name me a class or specific spec and I will name you abilities and mechanics that were pruned or deleted in transition to cataclysm.

MOP was too much of arcade, too much based around big cooldowns, removed too much from previous expansions.
they made hunters freaking MELEE which was a disgrace !!!.

IMO it goes this way

wotlk > cata > mop > TBC > WOD > classic > legion.

[leviathonlx]

how is a tier or raid means good expansion?

Because I expect her to have an expansion around her and not be offed in the first tier of an expansion that barely deals with her.

[Dmitro]

Because I expect her to have an expansion around her and not be offed in the first tier of an expansion that barely deals with her.

you guys pay too much attention on not so much important things, TBC was good not cause of Illidan, same goes for WOTLK, other factors aside from big villains make the game great.

villains just make you want to buy that game in the first place.

[Fahrad Wagner]

So after a good night of sleep, the situation is clearer for me: I was just frustrated that there wasn't a world revamp last night, hence my disappointment. After rewatching the trailers, listing and stuff: there IS content. It's just not developped enough for everything to be shown.

[leviathonlx]

you guys pay too much attention on not so much important things, TBC was good not cause of Illidan, same goes for WOTLK, other factors aside from big villains make the game great.

villains just make you want to buy that game in the first place.

It's not up to you to decide what I care about.

[Dmitro]

It's not up to you to decide what I care about.

I am speaking generally of course, obviously you might be of those crazies that just wanna kill particular villain while playing 1-2-3 specs and having no world pvp like no professions no general world interactions, I get it, there are people like this. I personally know many.

but for general public what made wow great is the things that I've just mentioned. good classes (dead) + player interactions (dead) + world pvp (dead) + raids (ok).

[Kellorion]

Im guessing that Artifacts will be used to heal The Wound up from mortal danger, but not fully healed, and that will the in game reason for the stat squish. W/o the weapons, we arent as powerful as we once were. We're Saiyan, not Super Sayian.

[leviathonlx]

I am speaking generally of course, obviously you might be of those crazies that just wanna kill particular villain while playing 1-2-3 specs and having no world pvp like no professions no general world interactions, I get it, there are people like this. I personally know many.

but for general public what made wow great is the things that I've just mentioned. good classes (dead) + player interactions (dead) + world pvp (dead) + raids (ok).

Well it's good to know that you only think your opinion matters (while falling on veiled insults) and can be safely ignored.

[Dmitro]

Well it's good to know that you only think you're opinion matters and can be safely ignored.

Not just my opinion, you can read any of the 1000 topics WHY I QUIT WOW and see tons of "my opinions", you know.

especially pvp players ones

[Deleted]

So after a good night of sleep, the situation is clearer for me: I was just frustrated that there wasn't a world revamp last night, hence my disappointment. After rewatching the trailers, listing and stuff: there IS content. It's just not developped enough for everything to be shown.

Mind telling me what that content is? I'm still a little jaded.

[Nyel]

name me a class or specific spec and I will name you abilities and mechanics that were pruned or deleted in transition to cataclysm.

MOP was too much of arcade, too much based around big cooldowns, removed too much from previous expansions.
they made hunters freaking MELEE which was a disgrace !!!.

IMO it goes this way

wotlk > cata > mop > TBC > WOD > classic > legion.

I mean WotLK had many unnecessary abilities. I don't mind losing them. Cataclysm and MoP had the right "skill balance" imho and class design was top notch. Shadow Priest back in MoP vs. Shadow Priest Legion is a massive difference. SP now is abysmal, SP in MoP had great class design and great skills / talents. I mean it can't get worse than Legion.

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Mind telling me what that content is? I'm still a little jaded.

Yeah, please tell me as well. Island Expeditions? Uhm... could be interesting.

[Dmitro]

I mean WotLK had many unnecessary abilities. I don't mind losing them. Cataclysm and MoP had the right "skill balance" imho and class design was top notch. Shadow Priest back in MoP vs. Shadow Priest Legion is a massive difference. SP now is abysmal, SP in MoP had great class design and great skills / talents. I mean it can't get worse than Legion.

ye, i am fine getting rid of unnecessary abilities, it was a good thing, but they also killed lots of good ones.

I'll give you one good example - warrior stance dance, which was actually hard and extremely fun to play, it kinda died in cata and actually died in MOP, making class so much easier to play and kinda meh and boring, in legion its even worse lol.

You think you can call it good class design?

same for dks, rogue rage regen ( made it very ez in cata) and so on... so on...

you guys kinda forgot how complex and fun classes were in wrath especially in pvp where you could use all of these "not needed" abilities effectively.

[rcshaggy]

Alliance:
110-119: Kul Tiras
120: Kul Tiras + Zandalar

Horde:
110-119: Zandalar
120: Zandalar + Kul Tiras

I only play Horde so yeah...
So the other zone will become available at high level?