TSA agent caught red-handed groping a woman

[Ehrenpanzer]

Surprised this doesn't count as conspiracy nonsense. Nope TSA doing their job, glad they are there, Gains outweigh the cost.

Putting aside this particular incident as conspiracy minded nonsense (since of course every part of the body is up for examination, would make drug smuggling idiotically easy if they knew for example a screener would not check the breasts) the TSA is totally worthless in stopping terrorists, since all their procedures are reactive to things ALREADY done instead of innovating to prevent future attacks. The only thing the TSA does is give a false sense of security to the simple minded about how safe they will be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEdKdgi2hg Heres a well explained reason why the TSA is basically there to catch low level drug smugglers.

[Celista]

Whether or not this specific incident actually happened, I am sure the work attracts types that try to get away with this sort of stuff. Same goes for cops, prison guards, etc.

[Heladys]

While i agree TSA is mostly useless

They've never prevented anything real, and they consistently fail 95% of tests. That rates an "entirely useless".

[blackmartin]

Unless the 'groping' was for sexual gratification there's nothing wrong with the practice. You wouldn't claim you were molested if your doctor needed to performed a physical.

[Celista]

Unless the 'groping' was for sexual gratification there's nothing wrong with the practice. You wouldn't claim you were molested if your doctor needed to performed a physical.

We don't need to do TSA cavity checks.

[arandomuser]

So you're saying rather than pull 89 year old women out of line and check them, we should focus on the demographics who use radical Islam to justify airline attacks? Seems to work for the Israelis. I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Well most arabs are selected for completely 100% "random searches" more anyways, second the point is there AWFUL at there job having them focus on a select demographic wont make them any better at there job, and third writing a law that says you have to focus on searching only arabs/africans will result in american black people, and arab christians/jews also being searched whilst white counterparts wont be because if you went by religion theyd just deny being muslim, so that would 100% be ruled unconstutitonal even by conservative judges.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Not only did people rate them poorly, but the government agency in charge of rating them did.

The government rates them poorly for the exact same fucking reasons as everybody else. Being the in government doesn't preclude one from being biased against the very policy they are responsible for.

If you are really intelligent you could figure out why that is.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

You mean like morons who actually think that only thing brown people should be vetted?

No, I mean the morons who think the TSA actually deters or even catches real threats.

[judgementofantonidas]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man...-wife-exposes/

so drive or take a train.

[Crissi]

The government rates them poorly for the exact same fucking reasons as everybody else. Being the in government doesn't preclude one from being biased against the very policy they are responsible for.

If you are really intelligent you could figure out why that is.

If the TSA actually was productive and not for show, they wouldn't fail 95% of their tests.

[Machismo]

Look up Israel airport security they are considered the gold standard for airport security, they use proven security measures and staff security experts not mall rent a cops. There are other examples you can process massive amounts of people more than the TSA does now more safely too, the TSA is a sad joke and that is by design.

They also heavily restrict personal freedoms, something that wouldn't go over too well in the United States. Ben Gurion Airport deals with 1/6 the passengers that Hartsfield-Jackson does.

Their policies, although effective, are very burdensome, discriminatory, and often extremely time consuming. They would be downright unconstitutional in the United States.

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The government rates them poorly for the exact same fucking reasons as everybody else. Being the in government doesn't preclude one from being biased against the very policy they are responsible for.

If you are really intelligent you could figure out why that is.

They rate them poorly, because they are ineffective at doing their jobs.

Two of the links I provided were about failed security tests, and the inability to detect and stop threats. That is quite literally their job, and they failed.

[tripl3x]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DZ9XLNKBH8 - reminded me of the southpark episode


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h_GsZWvLQg and the family guy one

[Doctor Amadeus]

So you feel security theater is the way to handle the public then?

Well not when that theater actually harms real people are used as a vehicle to implement racist and biased immigration policy like The Wall. As far as for it being theater, just because you happen to only see one aspect of it really and I am not talking about YouTube doesn't mean there isn't reason despite not being anywhere near perfect and under the microscope.


As someone who has worked in Security for Nearly 20 years I can tell you the term itself Security is theater. If you ask anybody in any kind of security they will tell you the same thing, you are only as secure as the next problem presents itself. Sometimes a problem needs a solution, sometimes a solution fixes a problem and creates several others.


There is a reason why there is a coded language in Security that is never static and always changing. Because the ugly truth if you really watch people hours upon hours a day, day in and day out over years, there is a kind of distinction you make about everyone including yourself. The problem is however when like anything it is taken too far and typically that happens for more than one reason. Your mind doesn't just change about people you even change what you think about yourself if you can be HONEST.

People hate the TSA for the exact same reasons people hate cops or their parents, people hate being told what to fucking do, until they fucking hit something and then they wind up in therapy talking about how much it someones else fault or fall into depression.


TLDR: It's all fucking theater.

Even if you can't or wont appreciate the fact some random slob in your mind is giving you a rub down. Shit like that is how Trump got elected whether you voted for him or not.

You think too subjective and one dimensional despite what you THINK.

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If the TSA actually was productive and not for show, they wouldn't fail 95% of their tests.

Based on what, comparing it to what, in your own words based on the information you disseminated?

[Stormdash]

Surprised this doesn't count as conspiracy nonsense. Nope TSA doing their job, glad they are there, Gains outweigh the cost.

TSA doesn't do their job. The agency is an abortion from the jump. First? it was created to replace private airport security, and then proceeded to only hire people with experience, which is to say, the same people just fired. Except now they made more money, and as federal employees are nearly unfireable. Since then, it has been an ever expanding list of indignities and inconveniences. In exchange for security? Not even; because it has also been an endless stream of security audits and studies that have guns and mock bombs allowed on aircraft. The groping is apparently the only thing they do well.

[Doctor Amadeus]

They also heavily restrict personal freedoms, something that wouldn't go over too well in the United States. Ben Gurion Airport deals with 1/6 the passengers that Hartsfield-Jackson does.

Their policies, although effective, are very burdensome, discriminatory, and often extremely time consuming. They would be downright unconstitutional in the United States.

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They rate them poorly, because they are ineffective at doing their jobs.

Two of the links I provided were about failed security tests, and the inability to detect and stop threats. That is quite literally their job, and they failed.

Well I am glad you offered your perspective but here is mine. They rated them poorly because voters like to be pandered to. Yeah really should we also put the FDA under the microscope, how about police, doctors for that matter.

Are you really under the impression if all were measured by the same standards some would still be turned a blind eye to, or be scrutinized less.

[Crissi]

Based on the tests they were provided by the government, as linked on the previous page. Read it.

[Alvito]

Surprised this doesn't count as conspiracy nonsense. Nope TSA doing their job, glad they are there, Gains outweigh the cost.

Gains? They fail at an alarming rate. At best the TSA is security theater, at worst a colossal waste of time and money.

[Phookah]

Surprised this doesn't count as conspiracy nonsense. Nope TSA doing their job, glad they are there, Gains outweigh the cost.

Except they aren't. We have a ton of statistics showing they do NOTHING at best, and are a giant cost on our freedoms at worst.

They fail at detecting anything bad 95% of the time, and have never stopped a terror attack yet. They self regulate. They make everyone gather in an enclosed area, BEFORE being checked (solid logic there).

The TSA is garbage that needs to be taken out.

[Machismo]

Well not when that theater actually harms real people are used as a vehicle to implement racist and biased immigration policy like The Wall. As far as for it being theater, just because you happen to only see one aspect of it really and I am not talking about YouTube doesn't mean there isn't reason despite not being anywhere near perfect and under the microscope.


As someone who has worked in Security for Nearly 20 years I can tell you the term itself Security is theater. If you ask anybody in any kind of security they will tell you the same thing, you are only as secure as the next problem presents itself. Sometimes a problem needs a solution, sometimes a solution fixes a problem and creates several others.


There is a reason why there is a coded language in Security that is never static and always changing. Because the ugly truth if you really watch people hours upon hours a day, day in and day out over years, there is a kind of distinction you make about everyone including yourself. The problem is however when like anything it is taken too far and typically that happens for more than one reason. Your mind doesn't just change about people you even change what you think about yourself if you can be HONEST.

People hate the TSA for the exact same reasons people hate cops or their parents, people hate being told what to fucking do, until they fucking hit something and then they wind up in therapy talking about how much it someones else fault or fall into depression.


TLDR: It's all fucking theater.

Even if you can't or wont appreciate the fact some random slob in your mind is giving you a rub down. Shit like that is how Trump got elected whether you voted for him or not.

You think too subjective and one dimensional despite what you THINK.

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Based on what, comparing it to what, in your own words based on the information you disseminated?

Based on the assessment done by the Department of Homeland Security... their bosses.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...hrough-n367851

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politi...sts/index.html

And this is from the follow up report, where they should have improved greatly:

""In September 2015, we completed and distributed our report on our most recent round of covert testing. The results are classified at the Secret level, and the Department and this Committee have been provided a copy of our classified report. TSA justifiably classifies at the Secret level the validated test results; any analysis, trends, or comparison of the results of our testing; and specific vulnerabilities uncovered during testing. Additionally, TSA considers other information protected from disclosure as Sensitive Security Information. While I cannot talk about the specifics in this setting, I am able to say that we conducted the audit with sufficient rigor to satisfy the standards contained within the Generally Accepted Government Auditing Standards, that the tests were conducted by auditors within our Office of Audits without any special knowledge or training, and that the test results were disappointing and troubling," Roth said during testimony in front of the House Oversight Committee Tuesday. "We ran multiple tests at eight different airports of different sizes, including large category X airports across the country, and tested airports using private screeners as part of the Screening Partnership Program. The results were consistent across every airport. Our testing was designed to test checkpoint operations in real world conditions. It was not designed to test specific, discrete segments of checkpoint operations, but rather the system as a whole. The failures included failures in the technology, failures in TSA procedures, and human error. We found layers of security simply missing. It would be misleading to minimize the rigor of our testing, or to imply that our testing was not an accurate reflection of the effectiveness of the totality of aviation security.""

[Crissi]

Based on what, comparing it to what, in your own words based on the information you disseminated?

I provided a link for my claim, if you wish to read. The tests were the government attempting to pass something like a gun or epxlosives, and only got caught 3 times out of 70