Latest data on immigration and crime in Germany

[lonely zergling]

Are you paying attention?
Let me point it out to you, on one example. And the graphs all have the same problem..

Tatverdaechtige: 2.022.414
davon Deutsche: 1.406.184
davon Auslaender: 616.230
davon Asylbewerber: 153.227

That does in no way, shape of form match the graphic bars, which imply the absolute opposite. Only a small blue bar for Germans, a midsize, but still significant larger bar for Foreigners, and a ginormous bar for Asylum seekers.
And you are not looking at graphics from the BKA..
The BKA breaks the data down differently. You have to study their information and make your own conclusions.

Ok its not graphics from the Bka itself but its a graphic fed with the correct data provided by them.

You still dont get it. The number in the graph is suspects per 100k people of a certain grp. There may be more native suspects overall but they are also the far bigger group compared to the others.

You forgot the population of the groups in your example.

Tatverdaechtige: 2.022.414 - Population:
davon Deutsche: 1.406.184 - 73.6 Mio
davon Auslaender: 616.230 -9 Mio
davon Asylbewerber: 153.227 - 1.1 Mio

Using overall stats for graphics would be shady and paint a wrong picture and you know it .

[Noradin]

Agreed again, but some people won't process new information until you rub their nose in it.

Unfortunately there are too many people around who go around misrepresenting (due to ignorance?) things and rub those into everyones eyes.
Just look at what became of the information the BKA provided. The tweets in the OP are basically victim blaming: "If, per capita, they are more likely to be suspected more often then they must be more likely to be criminals." That is the essence of those tweets and that article the OP linked, as well as of many of those posts in this thread.

[Wildtree]

The previous poster stated "per 100k"; don't claim that someone isn't paying attention and skip such things.

Do you doubt that the number of Germans, foreigners, and asylum seekers in Germany is known?

Per 100k does not make the balance invalid.
Per 100k is recorded false too.
Do the math... the population total is 83.6 million... That makes it, broken down to 100k segments... 836 segments.
Now divide the numbers accordingly.

Total: 2.022.414 : 836 = 2419.15
Germans: 1.406.184 : 836 = 1682.03
Foreigners: 616.230 : 836 = 737.11
Asylum Seekers: 153.227 : 836 = 183.28

See... The exact same balance. No matter how you break it down.
The graphics are false.

[Noradin]

Yeah just let them rape your Women, Kill your people and rob your Country for a few more years until the Data is solid

The data is already solid, you are just misrepresenting it to fit your narrative.
These aren't numbers about the crimes but about how likely someone is to be suspected. Victim blaming.

[Deleted]

Yeah, once again people don't know how to interpret statistic. However I can of do.

So let's be clear.
Poverty breed criminality. Few criminals becomes criminals just for the thrill of it, the main cause is that circumstances combined to some twisted moral judgement can bring the worst in people. You can check that fact in every country of the world. So most of the immigrant are generally poorer than the average high-quality (comparing to the world) standard living in Germany. Those statistics often result to compare one particular social class to every other class combined to make a (wrong) point. At best it is just idiocy, at worst it is dishonest just to push some hate.
For obvious reason, there are few statistic about homelessness violence, because it is nearly impossible to get the data. Yet for what we can record, there is a way higher violence rate in that social status than in any other (Did you ever wander why you never see any homeless women at night ?). Because poverty breed violence.

Asylum seeker are in even worse social situation, basically homeless. This breed even more criminality. Still there is another factor that is purposely ignoring in the OP post. A refugee can more easily commit several crimes in a row as they are harder to find. The ratio of crime reported / crime offender is not the same.
Let's not forget that the current statistic purposely show only one type of crime just to make a point (which is dishonnest af once again).

Another biais is refering to all refugee as one entity, but well that's one of many biais and I don't particularly want to explain every single one of them.
I am just going to add one more thing. Despite some anti-poor, anti-foreigner agenda, there is one fact that nobody can deny. The vast majority remains innocent. There might be a little more criminality, sure, yet most people remains innocent and they are not less innocent than you are. There is no rape/criminal culture as it is not the norm in any countries neither it is accepted.

It is not about some absurd comparaison whether you should take the risk of eating poisonous apple, but simply not condemning thousands of innocent people for the hypothetical possibility of one criminal being among them.

[Forogil]

I went with laws on the records. And SA is the only country where it's outright illegal for women to drive.

Except that you didn't go with the records; you are just inventing excuses for your previous false statements.

Driving is not punishable by stoning - even in SA. Stoning is on the books in several other countries; and also carried out in more countries - by the state; but for other crimes.

Vigilantism is not popular, also in Islamic nations.
IS isn't a country as such. It's a temporary abomination.

Why are you stating that it isn't a country?

The claim that people fled places where female drivers were stoned. The Islamic State, Is, seems to use stoning (when they don't get creative) controls some territory and some people flee from that place - regardless of whether it is technically recognized as a country or not.

[Wildtree]

Ok its not graphics from the Bka itself but its a graphic fed with the correct data provided by them.
Using overall stats for graphics would be shady and paint a wrong picture and you know it .

Okay, fair enough to go group by group.
But then you still ignore important aspects.
You don't know the causation that drives people to crimes.
Here's a pointer..
If you look at the Germans and break their crime rates down by income levels and social status, you will find that the higher the income the lower the crime numbers. The more secure their social status the lower the crime rates.
Consequently, if you screen asylum seekers and compare them with Germans or any other group, with the same circumstances, the rates will be the exact same.

[Noradin]

Using overall stats for graphics would be shady and paint a wrong picture and you know it .

Misrepresenting what the numbers about is beyond shady, it is simply lying.
These grahps show how likely someone is to be victim of suspicion, not how likely someone is to have committed a crime.
If you take the numbers of crimes committed by each group into account what you get is that asylum seekers are much more likely to be victims of unjustified suspicion than any other group. Not that they are more likely to commit crimes.
What these articles and tweets do is victim blaming.

[Flarelaine]

Unfortunately there are too many people around who go around misrepresenting (due to ignorance?) things and rub those into everyones eyes.
Just look at what became of the information the BKA provided. The tweets in the OP are basically victim blaming: "If, per capita, they are more likely to be suspected more often then they must be more likely to be criminals." That is the essence of those tweets and that article the OP linked, as well as of many of those posts in this thread.

Which is why I suggested the government could send a message of "we got this" by properly publicised repatriations.

[Wildtree]

Why are you stating that it isn't a country?

Because it isn't?
IS controlled territory consists of land that belongs to Iraq and Syria. The Iraqi territory just got retaken essentially. The Syrian one is about to fall too.
It's a matter of month and its over for IS.

[Forogil]

Yeah, once again people don't know how to interpret statistic. However I can of do.

So let's be clear.
Poverty breed criminality. Few criminals becomes criminals just for the thrill of it, the main cause is that circumstances combined to some twisted moral judgement can bring the worst in people. You can check that fact in every country of the world.

It is not that simple; first poverty does not "explain" all of crime differences - only a part of it - and secondly there are studies showing that poverty and criminality have similar causes; so that poverty and criminality are correlated but there is not necessarily a causal relationship from poverty to crime.

[Wildtree]

Misrepresenting what the numbers about is beyond shady, it is simply lying.
These grahps show how likely someone is to be victim of suspicion, not how likely someone is to have committed a crime.
If you take the numbers of crimes committed by each group into account what you get is that asylum seekers are much more likely to be victims of unjustified suspicion than any other group. Not that they are more likely to commit crimes.
What these articles and tweets do is victim blaming.

Even if it was confirmed crimes.. They just try desperately to point blame onto certain population groups.

[Forogil]

Because it isn't?

And banana is a berry.

Neither of those statements are relevant for the discussions.

[Wildtree]

It is not that simple; first poverty does not "explain" all of crime differences - only a part of it - and secondly there are studies showing that poverty and criminality have similar causes; so that poverty and criminality are correlated but there is no causal relationship from poverty to crime.

Who told you that?

[PL-Cibo]

Good luck solving this problem.

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All data came from https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInform...2016_node.html

We know. But problem? fewer murders than US/UK/etc, fewer rapes than US/UK/etc. Germany is safe, very safe. And why exactly do you post a statistic for suspects? Why not on
Condemned offenders which would be a lot more interesting? Or does it not look that good?

[Najnaj]

1. This is a publication of Falun Gong, the same people who claim that the Chinese government use their members as an organ factory. What is the real source of the statistics and why/how were they compiled.

2. Those statistics would, if correct, be unique to Germany. No other countries have statistics like that. This would make it an issue with Germany itself and not primarily with immigration.

[lonely zergling]

Misrepresenting what the numbers about is beyond shady, it is simply lying.
These grahps show how likely someone is to be victim of suspicion, not how likely someone is to have committed a crime.
If you take the numbers of crimes committed by each group into account what you get is that asylum seekers are much more likely to be victims of unjustified suspicion than any other group. Not that they are more likely to commit crimes.
What these articles and tweets do is victim blaming.

No it simply means asylum seekers are most likely more likely to be criminal compared to the native population. There is no conspiracy going on where people report innocent people on mass just to troll them. I'm sure most victims of asylum seeker criminality are other asylum seekers too.

[Wildtree]

And banana is a berry.

Neither of those statements are relevant for the discussions.

It's absolute relevant. If you drag IS into a discussion, you got to live with the fact that someone points out that it is not a country.
IS is a terror organization that happens to occupy land that belongs to two countries.

[Cerilis]

No it simply means asylum seekers are most likely more likely to be criminal compared to the native population. There is no conspiracy going on where people report innocent people just to troll them. I'm sure most victims of asylum seeker criminality are other asylum seekers too.

The line of thought is probably along the lines of "brown = asylumseeker = crime suspect".

[Deleted]

Well we have always know that they did more crime, that wasn't really a hidden fact at any point.