Queen Azshara vs Lich king

[Jester Joe]

A single comment from a single dev isn't 100% official. He could personally like Lei Shen more. If the lore team states Lei Shen can defeat the LK then I'll agree. Or if it's written in a lore book because that would actually mean the team really meant it as they all approve that statement.

Tirion was on holy ground so the big weakness of the LK. Lei Shen has none of that. LK mops the floor with Lei Shen anywhere.

It is super obvious that they are on the LK's upper minions level. Cenarius needed Malfurion, another arch druid, and our help just to push Ragnaros back.

We defeated Ragnaros and we got our asses kicked without effort by the LK. Common sense.

In his OWN realm. By your own logic, that doesn't matter since Tirion being on holy ground didn't matter.

This is why it's good that there's a dev disagreeing with you at least.

[Rafoel]

Lei Shen CAN'T defeat the Lich King. The tweet was about 1vs1 duel. In real fight Lich King would never fight "1vs1". He is necromancer over all. He can summon hundreds of minions with one gesture, even summon spirits from his own sword.

[darkoms]

Azshara destroyed the Tidestone of Golganneth, which was at a great distance from her.
What prevents her from destroying Frostmourne if Arthas is five meters away from her?

[Eto Demerzel]

Azshara holding up the tide in the past with her barrier means nothing. I'm pretty sure Jaina being 1000x weaker than the Lich King could make a more impressive barrier than the Lich King because she's a mage. Mages can make big fancy stuff which doesn't mean much in a actual 1v1 battle.

This is perfectly up to debate. N'zoth is the strongest Old God we are gonna fight. C'thunn and Yogg are stronger during their primes but not what we faced in WoW. Otherwise it won't make sense seeing how we easily punk C'thun and Yogg during their fight. Blizz never said the Yogg and C'thun we faced were stronger than the N'zoth we are going to fight and it even makes sense they ain't cause they are dirt easy when we fought them.

Azshara stands zero chance against the Lich King. Her having a massive army don't matter. Hell she can even have a bigger army than the Lich King. That still doesn't make her stronger. Nothing she's done is comparable to the LK's power which EASILY one shots the entire raid without effort. Raid includes some of the best champions of Azeroth. Like I said she's at LK's minion of power but one of the upper minions. The LK can freeze a single target but that doesn't mean he can't freeze more. And even if we assume he can only freeze one target, that's enough for Azshara cause she's one person.

Jaina is a fancy mage as you said but she's shown to be one of the big three in Battle for Azeroth, her, the Banshee Queen, and Azshara. All three are comparable in power. Azshara might be a bit stronger than the other 2 warbringer chicks but they are still in the same tier. The LK is a few tiers above them. Jaina and the Banshee Queen wanted none of the LK even with our heroes's help.

LK>>>N'zoth>>Deatwhing>>Kil'jaden/Archimonde>>Azshara>>Gul'dan.

Only Big Boy Sargeras and Argus the Unmaker can defeat the Lich King.

1) How come preventing a tidal with strength enough to close a portal (stated by Blizzard to be a HUGE thing) means nothing? It actually means she could just rip Lich King's head with telekinesis. Also yes, mages make fancy stuff, which actually its USEFUL in combat. Mages can blink and open portals, so Azshara can simply open a portal to Icecream Citadel's top. It is a trait from their class.

2) You are speculating. It is stated that on their prime, N'Zoth is the weakest, period, there is no debate on that, if they were more or less released, if they were bound to something or someone was helping us is irrelevant. You could say we kill Yogg'Saron with the help of the released Watchers, okay, i buy that, then ill make a party with the released Watchers plus all the other Watchers in the world and the Valarjars and bring the Dragonflights which were created by the Titans to defend Azeroth and beat the shit out of N'Zoth, who cares if he is fully released, he alredy LOST in his prime against TITANFORGED (which means vrykul, dwarfs, gnomes, etc in their non-fleshy form).

3) Okay, either you are being blind because you want or you are oblivious... Azshara has been a key part of both N'Zoth and Sargeras (which you hold them as the two strongest beings in your list) WITHOUT oding anything. Why? Because she is powerful as hell. She does not need to shout, she does not need to punish her minions or do anything at all, she is so mighty that she is ABOVE all that, she didnt became a demigod because Kil'Jaeden made her a Helmet and donned him an armor, she became a living demigod just by sheer power. Her charming beauty was strong enough that powerful demons would break their loyalty to Sargeras and fight for her while his own people would just suicide to have the chance to kiss the ground she has stepped onto. In the War of the Ancients it is stated that she has so much power that she has to conceal it. Add it to the fact that Mannoroth firmly belived that only Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde and Sargeras might have a chance against her and you have a mere measly Night Elf princess with enough strength to become a living goddess for their people and could make you kill yourself without using any magical power at all.

4) Jaina is times above Sylvanas, dont know how Blizzard will ruin their lower but right now Azshara and Jaina are leagues above Sylvanas in terms of raw strength, and if you think of proficiency this difference would be even higher, Sylvanas has just a bow and can become a ghost? how frightening! Azshara can make both men and women kill themselves on sight, Jaina can teleport a huge dreadnaught with arcane cannons and can dissipate Sylvanas biggest strength, the plague.

And again, your "power list" is broken. Sylvanas is nowhere stronger than Odyn, Helya, Kil'Jaeden or Archimonde and i would say that Y'rel would be a snack to G'huun. While on the other hand the Void Lords are the creators of the Old Gods and you place them above them in strength... hell you even place Lich King above the Void Gods which are supposed to be the strongest shadowy creatures in the universe and Lich King is just a pebble in Azeroth.

[Magnagarde]

Let's wait and see if she kills us too. Untill then, my vote goes to the guy who actually killed the adventurers, a feat which only Argus the Unmaker managed to go through with.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

1) How come preventing a tidal with strength enough to close a portal (stated by Blizzard to be a HUGE thing) means nothing? It actually means she could just rip Lich King's head with telekinesis. Also yes, mages make fancy stuff, which actually its USEFUL in combat. Mages can blink and open portals, so Azshara can simply open a portal to Icecream Citadel's top. It is a trait from their class.

2) You are speculating. It is stated that on their prime, N'Zoth is the weakest, period, there is no debate on that, if they were more or less released, if they were bound to something or someone was helping us is irrelevant. You could say we kill Yogg'Saron with the help of the released Watchers, okay, i buy that, then ill make a party with the released Watchers plus all the other Watchers in the world and the Valarjars and bring the Dragonflights which were created by the Titans to defend Azeroth and beat the shit out of N'Zoth, who cares if he is fully released, he alredy LOST in his prime against TITANFORGED (which means vrykul, dwarfs, gnomes, etc in their non-fleshy form).

3) Okay, either you are being blind because you want or you are oblivious... Azshara has been a key part of both N'Zoth and Sargeras (which you hold them as the two strongest beings in your list) WITHOUT oding anything. Why? Because she is powerful as hell. She does not need to shout, she does not need to punish her minions or do anything at all, she is so mighty that she is ABOVE all that, she didnt became a demigod because Kil'Jaeden made her a Helmet and donned him an armor, she became a living demigod just by sheer power. Her charming beauty was strong enough that powerful demons would break their loyalty to Sargeras and fight for her while his own people would just suicide to have the chance to kiss the ground she has stepped onto. In the War of the Ancients it is stated that she has so much power that she has to conceal it. Add it to the fact that Mannoroth firmly belived that only Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde and Sargeras might have a chance against her and you have a mere measly Night Elf princess with enough strength to become a living goddess for their people and could make you kill yourself without using any magical power at all.

4) Jaina is times above Sylvanas, dont know how Blizzard will ruin their lower but right now Azshara and Jaina are leagues above Sylvanas in terms of raw strength, and if you think of proficiency this difference would be even higher, Sylvanas has just a bow and can become a ghost? how frightening! Azshara can make both men and women kill themselves on sight, Jaina can teleport a huge dreadnaught with arcane cannons and can dissipate Sylvanas biggest strength, the plague.

And again, your "power list" is broken. Sylvanas is nowhere stronger than Odyn, Helya, Kil'Jaeden or Archimonde and i would say that Y'rel would be a snack to G'huun. While on the other hand the Void Lords are the creators of the Old Gods and you place them above them in strength... hell you even place Lich King above the Void Gods which are supposed to be the strongest shadowy creatures in the universe and Lich King is just a pebble in Azeroth.

There is a debate because Blizzard never stated that N'zoth is the weakest Old God we'll face. He is only stated as the weakest in his primes. Unless of course you actually think C'thun the weak version we beat without any help is stronger than N'zoth who has been granting powerups and doing lots of things behind the scenes.

Lol no she can't rip the LK's head off when she isn't even close to his level of power. Cenarius can regrow trees for a entire forest but that don't mean anything when it comes to direct 1v1 combat. Azshara has done nothing, nothing close to being as impressive as the Lich King in terms of power level. We will defeat her with Jaina's help and she won't even be that big of a threat. I am sure this is what's going to happen. The Lich King has one shot-ed the raid made up of some of the greatest heroes on Azeroth without effort, again WITHOUT EFFORT. Tell me when has Azshara ever done such a feat as close to this. She hasn't and she won't be able to, not even close, certainly not on this upcoming raid.

You are greatly downplaying the Lich King's power level my friend and overrate Azshara's powers which are only a bit stronger than Jaina. And once again Jaina is consider a big shot in BFA and she wanted none of the LK as she knew he'll be impossible to beat. Azshara is at most around the level of Kil'jaeden and Archimonde which are all below the LK. Sargeras > Argus > Lich King > the rest. You say my list is wrong but it can't be any more wrong then your list.

Void Lords are afraid of death magic which the Lich King is the supreme master of so there's that. Argus and Sargeras are still the only 2 that can be a sure victor against the Lich King, nothing else comes close, certainly not Azshara.

[Eto Demerzel]

There is a debate because Blizzard never stated that N'zoth is the weakest Old God we'll face. He is only stated as the weakest in his primes. Unless of course you actually think C'thun the weak version we beat without any help is stronger than N'zoth who has been granting powerups and doing lots of things behind the scenes.

Well, Blizzard bad writting has its consequences... but you cannot say N'Zoth is stronger than C'thun just because we have alredy beat C'thun... mostly because when C'thun was released, there werent even Old Gods, there was nothing written about them, they had no story, no background, N'Zoth didnt even exist back then.

Taking currently heavily ret-conned lore, we just killed C'thun because he wasnt fully awakened and we killed Yogg'Saron because he had not recovered from breaking his prison, that means they were under their prime... just not they were weak.

Lol no she can't rip the LK's head off when she isn't even close to his level of power.

Lich King is an undead human with an armor created by Kil'Jaeden, Azshara is stated by Mannoroth to be potentially STRONGER than Kil'Jaeden, so she could break Lich King armor and only a human undead would remain... while there is no direct spell for ripping someone in pieces, she can literally do that.

Cenarius can regrow trees for a entire forest but that don't mean anything when it comes to direct 1v1 combat.

Actually... you just prooved Cenarius is on par with Lich King... since Lich King biggest strength is to be able to raise his enemies troops and Cenarius can just build a forest and give them life (living treants) which CANNOT be raised as undead by Lich King... so... Cenarius has the potential to beat the Lich King under proper circumstances.

Azshara has done nothing, nothing close to being as impressive as the Lich King in terms of power level. We will defeat her with Jaina's help and she won't even be that big of a threat. I am sure this is what's going to happen. The Lich King has one shot-ed the raid made up of some of the greatest heroes on Azeroth without effort, again WITHOUT EFFORT. Tell me when has Azshara ever done such a feat as close to this. She hasn't and she won't be able to, not even close, certainly not on this upcoming raid.

Okay, Lich King killed the whole raid, yes, a group of the mightiest heroes gathered to kill him and he had to display his power... in Caverns of Time, a half of that group of the mightiest heroes traveled back in time to the Well of Eternity and challenged Azshara to a fight. Do you know what happened? She literally IGNORED their existence, nobody could even HARM HER, the adventurers could kill Mannoroth, Varo'then, endless armies of demons, they could beat Kil'Jaeden on Sunwell Plateau and they could beat the Lich King over the top of Icecream Citadel, yet they couldnt even cause ANY HARM to Azshara.

Even, she could CONTROL the champions, you have to literally interrupt her casting because if she manages to cast her spell, your whole group (half of the heroes which raided Lich King a year earlier) would become HER puppets FOREVER.

Isnt that a proof of strength?

You are greatly downplaying the Lich King's power level my friend and overrate Azshara's powers which are only a bit stronger than Jaina. And once again Jaina is consider a big shot in BFA and she wanted none of the LK as she knew he'll be impossible to beat. Azshara is at most around the level of Kil'jaeden and Archimonde which are all below the LK. Sargeras > Argus > Lich King > the rest. You say my list is wrong but it can't be any more wrong then your list.

You should analyze first... what is Lich King biggest strength? Raising undeads and holding their souls... the more souls he has, the stronger he is individually, yet when Frostmourne got broken... he lost literally all the souls he reaped in the past 20-25 years. You could argue that he can get them again, yet there are certain individuals who faced both Lich King and Arthas in a one on one situation and did not lost their soul (Illidan, Kael'Thas, etc), so clearly the Lich King has a limit (you put where it is, but it EXISTS).
On the other hand, Kil'Jaeden is weaker than Archimonde in terms of strength (it is stated that Archimonde > Kil'Jaeden > Velen in terms of raw strength) yet Kil'Jaeden created the Lich King, he created the armor, he created the Helm of Domination, he created the Frozen Throne. You may simply argue that Kil'Jaeden was "afraid" but it wasnt because Lich King was stronger, he was concerned that Ner'zhul (who was the current Lich King) had grown OUT of control and he had caused the Legion to lose several key members (Tichondrius, Mal'Ganis, Archimonde, etc). The hell, even Archimonde when he was atacking Nordrassil HAD control over a part of the Scourge, powerful Lichs were bound to him and he controled a part of the Scourge... how could Lich King fight his own creator? Kil'Jaeden could just simply create a new Lich King and throw both against each other.

On the other hand, as i mentioned earlier, some "mortals" have extremely powerful weapons which have been empowered over time, like Jaina holding the Storm-Staff of Antonidas which holds the strength of Lei Shen, which was the strength stolen from Ra-Den who had A PART of Aman'Thul power. She even said she could obliterate part of Orgrimmar by using the strength she had acquired so she could simply aim to the Icecream Citadel (which is made from Saronite, same material than Orgrimmar walls) and literally destroy the whole Throne with Lich King on it.
Azshara (before Legion) held Sharas'dal, which was an awesome magical creation from Xavius that also absorbed part of the Well of Eternity waters strength INTO it. Do you know what that means? Yes, it MADE the scepter one of the weapons strong enough to stop Sargeras's Sword corruption.
Also, now that i have alredy brough two of the warbringers... let me bring you the weakest one. Sylvanas has a tool, called plague, which is strong enough to weaken the Lich King so he literally HAD to retreat. Sylvanas could use this chemical weapon to just destroy every living and undead thing in the whole Northrend while Lich King could literally do nothing against it.

So... yeah, there are SEVERAL ways to defeat Lich King, yet those ways did not exist earlier when the Lich King was a threat, how come? Because Blizzard's bad writting.

Void Lords are afraid of death magic which the Lich King is the supreme master of so there's that. Argus and Sargeras are still the only 2 that can be a sure victor against the Lich King, nothing else comes close, certainly not Azshara.

Could you please explain what is on the other side of the Shadow element? Thats right! Light! Which is one of the weakness of the Lich King.
Both the Old Gods and Lich King share a weakness, yet the Old Gods have nothing to fear from Lich King (do you know why Lich King conquered most of Northrend aside from Ulduar? Thats right, because there is an Old God inside).

[Fetus Rex]

Lich King, far more mythical figure.

[Eazy]

Aszhara was on par with Archimonde 10,000 years ago.

Uhm... no. That's a false.

Let's wait and see if she kills us too. Untill then, my vote goes to the guy who actually killed the adventurers, a feat which only Argus the Unmaker managed to go through with.

And also Illidan, if it wasn't for Maiev and Akama. Keep in mind he was on his death bed anyway.

[darkoms]

On the other hand, Kil'Jaeden is weaker than Archimonde in terms of strength (it is stated that Archimonde > Kil'Jaeden > Velen in terms of raw strength) .

No, Kil'Jaeden was named the most powerful of the eredar leaders

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Void Lords are afraid of death magic

And of course you can prove it.

[omeomorfismo]

as usual for the mages it all depends by how much mana/leylines/artifacts they had to consume.
this ignoring potentially jaina-esque asspulls
arthas potentially could ignore azshara arcane magic thanks his being a dk, but if she had enough resource probably she could simply outpower him as lei shen (and anastharian/kael'thas with their instant fire magic).
or even if she started to cast with void.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Well, Blizzard bad writting has its consequences... but you cannot say N'Zoth is stronger than C'thun just because we have alredy beat C'thun... mostly because when C'thun was released, there werent even Old Gods, there was nothing written about them, they had no story, no background, N'Zoth didnt even exist back then.

Taking currently heavily ret-conned lore, we just killed C'thun because he wasnt fully awakened and we killed Yogg'Saron because he had not recovered from breaking his prison, that means they were under their prime... just not they were weak.



Lich King is an undead human with an armor created by Kil'Jaeden, Azshara is stated by Mannoroth to be potentially STRONGER than Kil'Jaeden, so she could break Lich King armor and only a human undead would remain... while there is no direct spell for ripping someone in pieces, she can literally do that.



Actually... you just prooved Cenarius is on par with Lich King... since Lich King biggest strength is to be able to raise his enemies troops and Cenarius can just build a forest and give them life (living treants) which CANNOT be raised as undead by Lich King... so... Cenarius has the potential to beat the Lich King under proper circumstances.



Okay, Lich King killed the whole raid, yes, a group of the mightiest heroes gathered to kill him and he had to display his power... in Caverns of Time, a half of that group of the mightiest heroes traveled back in time to the Well of Eternity and challenged Azshara to a fight. Do you know what happened? She literally IGNORED their existence, nobody could even HARM HER, the adventurers could kill Mannoroth, Varo'then, endless armies of demons, they could beat Kil'Jaeden on Sunwell Plateau and they could beat the Lich King over the top of Icecream Citadel, yet they couldnt even cause ANY HARM to Azshara.

Even, she could CONTROL the champions, you have to literally interrupt her casting because if she manages to cast her spell, your whole group (half of the heroes which raided Lich King a year earlier) would become HER puppets FOREVER.

Isnt that a proof of strength?




You should analyze first... what is Lich King biggest strength? Raising undeads and holding their souls... the more souls he has, the stronger he is individually, yet when Frostmourne got broken... he lost literally all the souls he reaped in the past 20-25 years. You could argue that he can get them again, yet there are certain individuals who faced both Lich King and Arthas in a one on one situation and did not lost their soul (Illidan, Kael'Thas, etc), so clearly the Lich King has a limit (you put where it is, but it EXISTS).
On the other hand, Kil'Jaeden is weaker than Archimonde in terms of strength (it is stated that Archimonde > Kil'Jaeden > Velen in terms of raw strength) yet Kil'Jaeden created the Lich King, he created the armor, he created the Helm of Domination, he created the Frozen Throne. You may simply argue that Kil'Jaeden was "afraid" but it wasnt because Lich King was stronger, he was concerned that Ner'zhul (who was the current Lich King) had grown OUT of control and he had caused the Legion to lose several key members (Tichondrius, Mal'Ganis, Archimonde, etc). The hell, even Archimonde when he was atacking Nordrassil HAD control over a part of the Scourge, powerful Lichs were bound to him and he controled a part of the Scourge... how could Lich King fight his own creator? Kil'Jaeden could just simply create a new Lich King and throw both against each other.

On the other hand, as i mentioned earlier, some "mortals" have extremely powerful weapons which have been empowered over time, like Jaina holding the Storm-Staff of Antonidas which holds the strength of Lei Shen, which was the strength stolen from Ra-Den who had A PART of Aman'Thul power. She even said she could obliterate part of Orgrimmar by using the strength she had acquired so she could simply aim to the Icecream Citadel (which is made from Saronite, same material than Orgrimmar walls) and literally destroy the whole Throne with Lich King on it.
Azshara (before Legion) held Sharas'dal, which was an awesome magical creation from Xavius that also absorbed part of the Well of Eternity waters strength INTO it. Do you know what that means? Yes, it MADE the scepter one of the weapons strong enough to stop Sargeras's Sword corruption.
Also, now that i have alredy brough two of the warbringers... let me bring you the weakest one. Sylvanas has a tool, called plague, which is strong enough to weaken the Lich King so he literally HAD to retreat. Sylvanas could use this chemical weapon to just destroy every living and undead thing in the whole Northrend while Lich King could literally do nothing against it.

So... yeah, there are SEVERAL ways to defeat Lich King, yet those ways did not exist earlier when the Lich King was a threat, how come? Because Blizzard's bad writting.





Could you please explain what is on the other side of the Shadow element? Thats right! Light! Which is one of the weakness of the Lich King.
Both the Old Gods and Lich King share a weakness, yet the Old Gods have nothing to fear from Lich King (do you know why Lich King conquered most of Northrend aside from Ulduar? Thats right, because there is an Old God inside).

It's perfectly fine for us to say N'zoth is way more powerful than C'thun the small and weaken version of it in vanilla. This isn't the prime C'thun as shown in the chronicles. The fact that you say Cenarius can beat the LK lmaoooo! He's not even worthy to be in the upper minion tier of the LK, perhaps middle. Gets killed by Grom and some orcs when the LK can defeat a raid of the greatest heroes WITHOUT EFFORT.

Azshara. Kil'jaeden. and Archimonde aren't stronger than the Lich King not even close. To say Azshara is anywhere close is laughable. She might even be weaker than the arch demonlords like Kil'jaeden and Archimonde or Deathwing which she is. None of they have done anything even close to what the Lich King did. Do you understand how powerful something that could casually one shot the entire raid made up of some of the strongest heroes of Azeroth without effort. It seems you don't so go look at the LK fight again. He could HAD kill us anytime in the beginning or the end. He was completely toying with us the whole time since the beginning of the expansion. He cannot be destroyed unless he's in the frozen throne, it is clearly stated by Uther and he won't lie. And even at the throne, nothing can even close come to defeat him even then in a actual fair fight where he doesn't mess around and just one shots almost anything. Argus and Sargeras are the only hing cable of defeating him period. Or perhaps a void titan if the void lord succeed but that's about it. Lol on the fact just because Azshara ignored a 5 man team, not even a raid mind you that you would think she's all powerful when she has shown nothing. Lots of boss don't wanna be bothered by the hero, doesn't mean they could actually defeat the heroes. Let's see how good she really is when the actual raid confronts her, will she do anything as impressive as the LK or Argus, nope.

Your Azshara, Kil, and whatever has done nothing close and until they do then the LK is still way above them based on what we seen. And from the looks of it, Azshara is just going to be around Kil'jaeden's level, perhaps even lower depending on who helps you during the fight cause rememeber u got Illidan, Kahdgar, and Velen during Kil'jaeden's fight. And yes I know we only had Tirion for the LK fight but that didn't matter because as pointed out the LK could had casually one shot us anytime he wanted. No boss comes close period. The Old Gods are scared of death magic because they have no control over the scourge, they can't play or control the scourge or any of it's minion, only the free willed forsaken. The Scourge are the perfect tools against the Old Gods and the void. They can mine old god blood right in there faces without worry. The Scourge is the single strongest army in the lore because it can resurrect their fallen enemies and use them against them. The plague was designed to kill the LK and scourge yet it allowed made him kneel, it did nothing to him, he wanted to lure the heroes to ice crown. He was perfectly fine from that plague. And at that point, we haven't met Ulther yet.

Here's what's going to happen, Azshara gets defeated just like that by us and Jaina in the raid. And she won't even do anything impressive like defeating us or anything. Which makes her 100% below Lei Shen, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden even so not even close to the LK's power who is way beyond them all.

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And of course you can prove it.

Alleria's void lord masters fears the Banshee Queen and another hint is the Scourge are the perfect tools against the Old Gods and the Void minions.

[Farrarie]

Azshara is said to be strong as Kil'jaeden and Archimonde.
Lich king's true power is in his army.But in 1v1 he wouldn't stand a chance.

Read the book again. its not as, its Sargeras and Archimonde would prove superior

[darkoms]

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Alleria's void lord masters fears the Banshee Queen and another hint is the Scourge are the perfect tools against the Old Gods and the Void minions.

Oh yes, after all, the Void Lords and the Old Gods always speak the truth.
They also said that the throne of Silvermoon belongs to Alleria. Is this also true?

[Elestia]

Azshara in her current form for sure.

She's infused with the power of the well of eternity and has taken some form of bargain with N'Zoth.

Heavy armored DK vs a virtual demi-godess. This is an apples to oranges question.

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Oh yes, after all, the Void Lords and the Old Gods always speak the truth.
They also said that the throne of Silvermoon belongs to Alleria. Is this also true?

Technically yes because Alleria was Ranger General before Sylvannas and before Lor'themar. The position is still hers by right. Therefore the Belf's loyalties are in contempt of their true leader.

[3DTyrant]

Azshara in her current form for sure.

She's infused with the power of the well of eternity and has taken some form of bargain with N'Zoth.

Heavy armored DK vs a virtual demi-godess. This is an apples to oranges question.

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Technically yes because Alleria was Ranger General before Sylvannas and before Lor'themar. The position is still hers by right. Therefore the Belf's loyalties are in contempt of their true leader.

Wasn't the Lich King a Demi-God too? Or am I mistaken?

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Oh yes, after all, the Void Lords and the Old Gods always speak the truth.
They also said that the throne of Silvermoon belongs to Alleria. Is this also true?

Yes it's true, same for silvermoon belonging to Alleria, don't be surprised when she becomes the leader of silvermoon later down the line.

[darkoms]

I love it so much when Arthas or Sylvanas fanboys prove to me that the undead are the perfect weapon against the Old Gods
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Julak-Doom

[Tweedzz]

I can see an argument for the LK being more powerful if you consider that his ‘army’ is not really an army but an extension of his own consciousness. As long as he maintains control, the undead seem to act as an extension of himself. Living beings, such as the cult of the damned, or more powerful undead are independent, but everything else seems to just be acting as an appendage of the LK.

However, if you don’t count this, I think Azshara is stronger.

Yes it's true, same for silvermoon belonging to Alleria, don't be surprised when she becomes the leader of silvermoon later down the line.

I don’t think that can happen in WoW seeing as she is now the faction leader for an alliance faction.

Btw, why do you rank N’zoth above a void lord? I am genuinely curious. Sorry if you mention this elsewhere.

[Eto Demerzel]

I can see an argument for the LK being more powerful if you consider that his ‘army’ is not really an army but an extension of his own consciousness. As long as he maintains control, the undead seem to act as an extension of himself. Living beings, such as the cult of the damned, or more powerful undead are independent, but everything else seems to just be acting as an appendage of the LK.

However, if you don’t count this, I think Azshara is stronger.

Thing is... other entities also hold several huge armies under their sway and Azshara is one of those persons, she may not be able to raise undeads... but its stated in Well of Eternity that some demons who were under Sargeras control left him WILLINGLY to join Azshara because of her charming power.

If she holds that strength... who could argue that she might even sway the whole Lich King (which happens to currently be a mere undead with a helmet to control other undeads)?

The more i discuss with Larry, the more i think Azshara might be above Lich King (even though he seems to be closed to this option denying everything Azshara does xD).