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    Why? We already have a western peace symbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Assbandit View Post
    Pretty sure Hindus draw it as a square rather than at an angle. Also if I recall the Hindu symbol has 4 dots between the lines.
    dots aren't always present, the only thing the nazi's did was display it at an angle. The main thing is that the buddhist way and hindu can also have it displayed forwards or backwards with different meanings while also appearing as the block swirl design.

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    Just the other side of the same coin of people who use the "Everyone I don't like is Hitler!" meme or eyeroll at any mention of a Hitler comparison.

    In those cases, they've elevated Hitler, the Nazis, and their symbolism to a level of fantasy that could not exist in reality (even though they did, quite easily), so the comparison is seen as absurd.

    In this case, they see Hitler, Nazis, and their symbols as far-away fantasy ideas of hate, so they've forgotten that Nazi Germany was an actual thing that still carries a lot of pain for people today - and through the groups that still represent those ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    Just the other side of the same coin of people who use the "Everyone I don't like is Hitler!" meme or eyeroll at any mention of a Hitler comparison.

    In those cases, they've elevated Hitler, the Nazis, and their symbolism to a level of fantasy that could not exist in reality (even though they did, quite easily), so the comparison is seen as absurd.

    In this case, they see Hitler, Nazis, and their symbols as far-away fantasy ideas of hate, so they've forgotten that Nazi Germany was an actual thing that still carries a lot of pain for people today - and through the groups that still represent those ideas.
    The only people that are delusional about Hitler or Nazi in terms of magic are those who have no earthly fucking idea of how that movement got started or what the process was, it wasn't fucking magic, and there are very much the exact same patterns we see today with Trump.

    You also don't have to like the truth for it to be truth, or agree with everyone who says, Trump, Trumpsters and Alt- Right are a bunch of white supremacist Neo Nazi's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    Are we running out of symbols or something? Since we apparently need to recycle old ones?
    The swastika was recycled by the Nazis, it existed loooooong before they did.
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    Pretty sure it's beyond saving or any of its variants in western culture.

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    Good luck with that. I don't see that happenng in the west, we have too many professionally offended people and brain dead right wingers that really like to show their sympathy for nazis for this to bear any fruit. A shame though, I always liked the geometry and shape of it.

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    People who want to rebrand the swastika or say "its just a symbol, bro" are the same ones who complain when Confederate statues get taken down.

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    The symbol was already rebranded, wasn't it?
    It's not like the germans invented it, it was already used in ancient Rome and in India (even today).

    Also, why do some people want to wear symbols and signs so badly? Are these people in need of something external to follow?

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    First we need to educate people that Swastika was not originally Nazi symbol. Then rebrand it, if we really need that. Honestly it was never a part of the western culture in the first place.

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    You cannot use the swastika in anything newer than the Nazis ever. Only places you can barely use it are where it already were present before Hitler and his posse ruined the symbol.

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    45th Infantry Division's shoulder patch up to 1939 when it was changed. It's Native American in origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post


    45th Infantry Division's shoulder patch up to 1939 when it was changed. It's Native American in origin.
    Insignia of the Finnish Air force from 1918 to 1945.



    It's based on the personal lucky charm/owner's mark used by the Swedish count Eric von Rosen who donated the first planes to Finish Air force. von Rosen based his swastika symbol on the symbol of luck used by the vikings (so yeah, swastika as a symbol of luck does have European use that predates the Nazis).

    In 1945 the FAF symbol was changed, for obvious reasons, but the old one is still used in some places, like flags:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Insignia of the Finnish Air force from 1918 to 1945.

    It's based on the personal lucky charm/owner's mark used by the Swedish count Eric von Rosen who donated the first planes to Finish Air force. von Rosen based his swastika symbol on the symbol of luck used by the vikings (so yeah, swastika as a symbol of luck does have European use that predates the Nazis).

    In 1945 the FAF symbol was changed, for obvious reasons, but the old one is still used in some places, like flags:

    And Charlie Chaplin wore a toothbrush mustache before Hitler did.

    I don't think that's coming back into style any time soon. Nor is the "roman salute."

    Too many bad connotations. And there are people that STILL use them, swastika included, to show support for Nazism.


    There are plenty of other symbols to be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Assbandit View Post
    Pretty sure Hindus draw it as a square rather than at an angle. Also if I recall the Hindu symbol has 4 dots between the lines.

    Like this:

    http://thelinkpaper.ca/wp-content/up...swastika12.jpg
    Yeah, this is where they failed horribly and I am not sure if they were just inept or trying to troll the world.

    Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika - there are tons of ways the swastika has been drawn, but they choose the nazi way with my little unicorn colours?

    Ok, they would have failed horribly anyhow. I mean, here you could get washing powder that had the number 88 printed on a sports trikot on the cover (because you could get 83+5 washings out of it) and it cause a shitstorm because H is the 8th letter in the alphabet and 88 means Heil Hitler to Nazis.

    http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/ei...d_3830075.html

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    Part of the problem is, is that the swastika is not simply "part of history". It's a current thing. There are current neo-nazis using the sign today. If the end of WWII was the end of the nazi movement, that would be one thing. It would be a case of "Is it too soon?" but rebranding something that is currently still branded doesn't.. work.
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    Yes. It's ignorant of other cultures to assume the symbol's meaning.

    Germany who jail people for displaying a swastika are being facist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavrix View Post
    And regardless of anything the company did, knowingly or unknowingly...it worked.

    Here we are talking about it...

    and lots of people complaining about it...

    thats marketing....the best kind....the free kind.
    Could be right, this stuff worked for Benetton in the 80s and 90s - but the company in question here already pulled the T-Shirts off the market and I have already forgotten the name of the company....

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    What gets me is why did the company use the tilted swastika the nazis used when they couldve and prolly shouldve just used the ancient one with dots in the four corners?

    If i was walking down the street and i saw someone wearing one of those T-shirts i would think he is either a homosexual nazi or is trying to imply that nazis are homosexuals. I certainly wouldnt think oh he is just reclaiming the swastika and give him a thumbs up!.

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